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LadyGriz Lady Griz: A Reincarnation?

citygriz

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For a guy who’s spent the last decade or so checked out of Lady Griz basketball, my legion of detractors here—Hi Mouse!—will be disheartened to know that there stirs in the deepest and most satisfying reaches of my soul a renewed interest in the program, for these reasons:

--When I recently posted my dissatisfaction with the program’s failures to recruit Black athletes, I expected the sort of vitriolic blowback that has met my many prior posts on this subject, going back to the Selvig era. But…not so! There ensued a lengthy thread of thoughtful commentary on this subject from dozens of fans with deep knowledge of the program, save of course for the ritual Mouse turd.

--For whatever reason—and nobody’s ever been able to understand it—Montana has produced and continues to produce dozens of quality women players with credible power conference potential. Is it the water? The tough outdoor background? The fact that basketball in Montana is the key sport for high school girls while for boys it is now football? No matter, it’s exciting to see players such as Lofer and Moore returning home with the very real potential to revive the Lady Griz tradition.

--The Lady Griz have a chance to attract some major schools to Missoula, like Gonzaga, Utah, BYU. Football? Men’s basketball? Been years since a Stanford came to Dahlberg—never for football.

--Finally, I have a gut feel that Nate Harris is the one to turn this program around. In the games I watched this year our kids played hard but lacked credible talent. So what? So this: He gutted the team, hit the portal, and most definitely upgraded the talent level, possibly by a lot. We’ll see.

Which is my main point. Next year? It’s worth seeing.
 
I'm right there with you for all but the last point. My gut has the opposite feeling about Nate. I have a hard time getting past the concern that he may have just turned a blind eye to whatever crap was going on that forced Holsinger out. And I still have a hard time with him cutting players that have battled through rehab (both Donarski and Wacker) and been good citizens/great students for the program- he recruited them and they did everything he asked of them only to be shown the door. It just seems wishful thinking to assume that the guy to revive the program just happened to be on the staff when it all went wrong- between the Holsginer firing and the horrible record this year, that's two years of it all going wrong.
 
Having said that, I hope I am wrong- everybody involved (players, coaches, trainers, GSAs,...) deserve things to move forward smoothly.
 
Having said that, I hope I am wrong- everybody involved (players, coaches, trainers, GSAs,...) deserve things to move forward smoothly.
Having said that, I hope you abandon your "blind eye" theory as it seems purely speculative. It's not the job of assistant coach to police the behavior of the head coach. Coach Harris did his job as Assistant and luckily was there to salvage some true success from Holsinger's otherwise dismal season, at championship time no less. Cutting players? Doubt that was easy. Look what Coach Moreira at Idaho had to do to build a championship roster last year: basically spent a month or so in Europe to build just the right team, and proceeded to win the Conference- also an Assistant turned Head Coach. Now Harris has two years left in Head Coach contract to build his program. Let him coach.
 
Quite a bit of catching up to do to compete in the conference.

I hope they do.....but I'll let City write long winded stories about it long before it happens.

He's a real basketball guru!
 
Quite a bit of catching to do to compete in the conference.

I hope they do.....but I'll let City write long winded stories about it long before it happens.

He's a real basketball guru!
Will be interesting how the conference shapes for the up coming season, indeed the season of speculation now! What changes have other teams in the conf made, rosters, coaching staff..etc? Lot's of insights. opionions, and shear guess work, really enjoy the threads, Griz fans we are...staying tuned!
 
I'm right there with you for all but the last point. My gut has the opposite feeling about Nate. I have a hard time getting past the concern that he may have just turned a blind eye to whatever crap was going on that forced Holsinger out. And I still have a hard time with him cutting players that have battled through rehab (both Donarski and Wacker) and been good citizens/great students for the program- he recruited them and they did everything he asked of them only to be shown the door. It just seems wishful thinking to assume that the guy to revive the program just happened to be on the staff when it all went wrong- between the Holsginer firing and the horrible record this year, that's two years of it all going wrong.
5 years ago, I would've agreed with you 100%. With this new era of "win now" because of the portal, this is the norm and there will always be turnover (at least until they fix the portal). This year I have finally accepted the BS and was actually OK with the cuts. Now will it lead to ore wins? Let's hope so.
 
Citi, I enjoy your posts on the subject, as well as all of your posts, even the ones I disagree with. You are a terrific and poster and a terrific and knowledgeable hoops fan.
 
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I’m open to having my mind changed, but I truly don’t see Nate as the answer to bring this program back to relevance.

The ladies were downright painful to watch for much of the season and looked extremely disorganized and flustered at points. To me, Nate just doesn’t seem to have the fire to be that guy to turn it around.
 
Citi, I enjoy your posts in the subject, as well as all of your, even the ones I disagree with. You are a terrific and poster and terrific and knowledgeable hoops fan.
Hoops...You're terrific and knowledgeable at writing incomplete, confusing sentences. 100% on these two!!
 
I’m open to having my mind changed, but I truly don’t see Nate as the answer to bring this program back to relevance.

The ladies were downright painful to watch for much of the season and looked extremely disorganized and flustered at points. To me, Nate just doesn’t seem to have the fire to be that guy to turn it around.
I guess next season may (1) indicate whether we had better talent this past season but were lead astray by bad coaching (not sure how next season could indicate that unless next season is worse than the first even with better players), or (2) next season indicates that there is a reincarnation and lady Griz finish in the top 4 or higher and Nate was the answer all along.
 
Citi, I enjoy your posts in the subject, as well as all of your, even the ones I disagree with. You are a terrific and poster and terrific and knowledgeable hoops fan.
As with you, Greenie. I can abide any opinion so long as it arises from an evident passion for Griz athletics, as it does with you and Mouse too, and as it has with me for longer than most on this board have been on this earth. Thanks for the compliment.
 
Found this on the net, negative a
5 years ago, I would've agreed with you 100%. With this new era of "win now" because of the portal, this is the norm and there will always be turnover (at least until they fix the portal). This year I have finally accepted the BS and was actually OK with the cuts. Now will it lead to or
What follows comes from the net, reminders what the Portal has brought forth. To what extent the portal impacts the LG??

Consequences for Teams and Programs
The "free agency" nature of the portal has also destabilized collegiate athletic programs:
  • Erosion of Team Chemistry: High roster turnover makes it difficult to establish the trust and continuity necessary for cohesive teamwork. New additions often have different motivations, which can displace veteran players and disrupt established cultures.
  • Poaching of Talent: Smaller, mid-level programs face a significant disadvantage as elite schools use the portal to "poach" their top players with the promise of more lucrative NIL deals.
  • Coaching Burdens: Coaches must now constantly "re-recruit" their own players to prevent them from entering the portal, diverting time and resources away from high school recruiting and long-term player development.
  • Short-Term Focus: The pressure to win immediately leads coaches to favor proven portal transfers over high school recruits, which can marginalize developmental players and weaken a program's long-term sustainability
 
Found this on the net, negative a

What follows comes from the net, reminders what the Portal has brought forth. To what extent the portal impacts the LG??

Consequences for Teams and Programs
The "free agency" nature of the portal has also destabilized collegiate athletic programs:
  • Erosion of Team Chemistry: High roster turnover makes it difficult to establish the trust and continuity necessary for cohesive teamwork. New additions often have different motivations, which can displace veteran players and disrupt established cultures.
  • Poaching of Talent: Smaller, mid-level programs face a significant disadvantage as elite schools use the portal to "poach" their top players with the promise of more lucrative NIL deals.
  • Coaching Burdens: Coaches must now constantly "re-recruit" their own players to prevent them from entering the portal, diverting time and resources away from high school recruiting and long-term player development.
  • Short-Term Focus: The pressure to win immediately leads coaches to favor proven portal transfers over high school recruits, which can marginalize developmental players and weaken a program's long-term sustainability
Exactly. I didn’t say it did not affect the team or program, but am ok with it because…A) they needed some upgrades, and 2) it is just how it is now.
Also…I still don’t LIKE the system, just have finally accepted that it is what it is.
 
Lady Griz have garnered much more off-season discussion than the men.
Each transfer got a separate post and there seems to be some real excitement for next season.
On the mens side news has been sparse and finding out who the new transfers are has been more difficult.
Good luck to both teams next year hope to see lots of games from both in Boise next march.
 
Lady Griz have garnered much more off-season discussion than the men.
Each transfer got a separate post and there seems to be some real excitement for next season.
On the mens side news has been sparse and finding out who the new transfers are has been more difficult.
Good luck to both teams next year hope to see lots of games from both in Boise next march.
The men just got a Boise State transfer in Noah Bendinger.
 
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