Kudos for Chalich

[AZGrizFan]

Well that's not my intent. I don't want to convince anyone that Brady is better. But I will warn people that think Chalich is better that he will not be the starter when BG is given a clean bill of health. It's just not gonna happen. I know some of you won't believe that, so all I can say is, wait and see for yourselves.

And what is it that you're hearing from Stitt that makes you so certain of this?

 

[George Ferguson]

Just wait and see AZ. That's all I'm saying. But right now, it matters none anyway. Gus is out on crutches, and probably won't even start practicing again until the bye week so Chalich is the guy anyway.

 

[grizindabox]

Thought Chalich played pretty well considering all of the OL miscues. Brady's target date for a return is the Portland State game, if not sooner, and trust me, no matter where the Griz are, he will be given the keys right back. Book it.

I would think by PSU is a best case scenario, unless you know that the injury is less severe than has been speculated. I would lean towards ISU myself.

 

[maroonandsilver]

Well that's not my intent. I don't want to convince anyone that Brady is better. But I will warn people that think Chalich is better that he will not be the starter when BG is given a clean bill of health. It's just not gonna happen. I know some of you won't believe that, so all I can say is, wait and see for yourselves.

So...You think even if we are undefeated (and I'm not saying we will be) with Chalich, Brady will just be handed the job back as soon as he is healthy?

 

[George Ferguson]

Yes.

 

[Spanky]

insider information........

 

[George Ferguson]

Spanky, not really, I just pay attention.

 

[UMGriz75]

Chalich is much more in the Stitt mold of a mobile QB who makes good reads than Gustafson who is essentially a one dimension drop back passer.

At Liberty, CC was -44 on rushing yards. Against, NAU, he was 40.

After two games, his rushing yardage is -4. His "mobility," so far, is in the wrong direction.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Chalich is much more in the Stitt mold of a mobile QB who makes good reads than Gustafson who is essentially a one dimension drop back passer.

At Liberty, CC was -44 on rushing yards. Against, NAU, he was 40.

After two games, his rushing yardage is -4. His "mobility," so far, is in the wrong direction.

LOTS of that -44 was due to snaps over his head that he had to dive on or try to make something out of a shit sandwich. Not exactly representative of his abilities from a mobility standpoint.

 

[garizzalies]

I agree with Hav.
Everyone is focusing on Brady's performance vs CP and Liberty, which makes sense as he did not look nearly as good. I get that. But people are not focusing on the real issue: if a qb cannot make the dynamic reads in a timely fashion, this offense will never accomplish what it is meant to do, and will be just another pass-happy or one-dimensional BSC offence. Brady can make those reads, and fast. He proved that vs. NDSU. I even witnessed it vs CP; altho he was off, he still at least attempted to make the reads. I'm not sure Chalich can, or can do so fast enough. Maybe he has and I missed it; or maybe they haven't called it, which should tell you something. (I'm not talking about post-snap zone-run-reads. Reading a DE for a handoff and reading a safety for a pass are light-years different). Thus, with Brady, this offense's ceiling is much higher. Again, I'm no expert but it appeared to me that every pass play Chalich has called was a predetermined route and not a dynamic read = playbook cut in half.

 

[Grizzoola]

Chalich is much more in the Stitt mold of a mobile QB who makes good reads than Gustafson who is essentially a one dimension drop back passer.

At Liberty, CC was -44 on rushing yards. Against, NAU, he was 40.

After two games, his rushing yardage is -4. His "mobility," so far, is in the wrong direction.

I don't think rushing yards are as big a determinant of a QB's mobility, as his ability to escape a pass rush. Yes, it's good he has that run threat, but until the Griz OL improves, they can't have an immobile, pocket passer. It was evident in the CP and Liberty games while BG was in there.

havgriz is right, that when BG is healthy, he's going to be the starter. Whether he remains the starter will be proven by his performance in the games he starts. But, I hope Stitt is man enough, if BG is more in the mode of CP than NDSU, that Chalich returns as starter. I say "man enough," in the sense that Stitt can admit his choice of BG as starter was mistaken. Some coaches stick by their starter, regardless, in these circumstances.

I say this, dependent on which BG we see when he's once again on the field. And, in the meantime, there's nothing to say about how well CC performs until BG's return.

 

[George Ferguson]

AZ, I'm not arguing in any way that the QB play against CP and Liberty was good, however, you also can't say you know for a fact had BG not gotten injured the Griz wouldn't have stills cored 21 points. You just don't know that, just like I don't know that they would have. The point I'm making is not to take anything away from Chad Chalich. He is the No. 2 QB on the roster, and the No. 1 QB went down. Chad is doing his job and I hope he does it very well. But, as I've stated before, when the No. 1 QB is given a clean bill of health and can show he can again play at full strength, he will again be the starter. It's not that unusual of a concept.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I agree with Hav.
Everyone is focusing on Brady's performance vs CP and Liberty, which makes sense as he did not look nearly as good. I get that. But people are not focusing on the real issue: if a qb cannot make the dynamic reads in a timely fashion, this offense will never accomplish what it is meant to do, and will be just another pass-happy or one-dimensional BSC offence. Brady can make those reads, and fast. He proved that vs. NDSU. I even witnessed it vs CP; altho he was off, he still at least attempted to make the reads. I'm not sure Chalich can, or can do so fast enough. Maybe he has and I missed it; or maybe they haven't called it, which should tell you something. (I'm not talking about post-snap zone-run-reads. Reading a DE for a handoff and reading a safety for a pass are light-years different). Thus, with Brady, this offense's ceiling is much higher. Again, I'm no expert but it appeared to me that every pass play Chalich has called was a predetermined route and not a dynamic read = playbook cut in half.

I haven't been able to watch either the Liberty game or the NAU game, so I dont' know what Chalich is/isn't capable of. What I DO know, is that in the CP game I saw BG REPEATEDLY miss wide open receivers because he never made it through his progressions. Now, that could very well have been a byproduct of a shitty O-line giving him no time to do so, but for some strange reason after successfully stretching the field against NDSU he either couldn't or wouldn't stretch the field against CP nor against Liberty in the 1st quarter. He also had extremely happy feet, wasn't setting his feet to throw, resulting in multiple overthrows and INT's. Being able to make the read is great. But if you can't EXECUTE once the read is made, then what good does it do?

Chalich came in against the same Liberty D and led the team to scores on 4/5 drives (and would have been 5/6 if not for the ill-timed fumble at the 1 yard line by Counts). He also immediately stretched the field, and his mobility requires the defense to honor that aspect, opening up OTHER aspects of the game absent with BG behind center.

If we could just put BG's brain into CC's body, with Prater's arm strength we'd be good to go. :lol:

 

[grizindabox]

I agree with Hav.
Everyone is focusing on Brady's performance vs CP and Liberty, which makes sense as he did not look nearly as good. I get that. But people are not focusing on the real issue: if a qb cannot make the dynamic reads in a timely fashion, this offense will never accomplish what it is meant to do, and will be just another pass-happy or one-dimensional BSC offence. Brady can make those reads, and fast. He proved that vs. NDSU. I even witnessed it vs CP; altho he was off, he still at least attempted to make the reads. I'm not sure Chalich can, or can do so fast enough. Maybe he has and I missed it; or maybe they haven't called it, which should tell you something. (I'm not talking about post-snap zone-run-reads. Reading a DE for a handoff and reading a safety for a pass are light-years different). Thus, with Brady, this offense's ceiling is much higher. Again, I'm no expert but it appeared to me that every pass play Chalich has called was a predetermined route and not a dynamic read = playbook cut in half.

And yet the production by Chalich is comparable to BG over the past 3 games in spite of the offensive playbook...but all people want to base things on is the NDSU game....question is what is more likely from BG, his game 1 performance or his game 2-3 performance...I would say the jury is still very much out on that one

 

[AZGrizFan]

AZ, I'm not arguing in any way that the QB play against CP and Liberty was good, however, you also can't say you know for a fact had BG not gotten injured the Griz wouldn't have stills cored 21 points. You just don't know that, just like I don't know that they would have. The point I'm making is not to take anything away from Chad Chalich. He is the No. 2 QB on the roster, and the No. 1 QB went down. Chad is doing his job and I hope he does it very well. But, as I've stated before, when the No. 1 QB is given a clean bill of health and can show he can again play at full strength, he will again be the starter. It's not that unusual of a concept.

Remember what happened to Drew Bledsoe. Give Chalich three more games in this offense, with live reps against real teams, and see what he's capable of by the PSU game. I have NO desire to go back to square 1 with BG in 4 weeks. None. Zip. Nada.

 

[Grisly Fan]

I have heard what Stitt said and believe I understand why he said it yet I am not so sure that BG is a shoe-in when he becomes healthy. Stitt wants and needs to win (shocker huh?) and I believe he will be very pragmatic about it. It seems to be his style. If Chalich can get this offense rolling and take this team to 5-2 I think BG will have to earn the position back, either in practice or in reps on the field. I doubt Stitt simply flips the switch back in that circumstance. To extend this scenario, imagine that BG lost that first game back; I believe any honeymoon would then officially be over.

 

[garizzalies]

I haven't been able to watch either the Liberty game or the NAU game...

I stopped reading after your first sentence.
You sound a lot like D2 in this thread. Come on, you're better than that

 

[AZGrizFan]

I haven't been able to watch either the Liberty game or the NAU game...

I stopped reading after your first sentence.
You sound a lot like D2 in this thread. Come on, you're better than that

Better than what? I live in Texas. The games haven't been available on any television, OR on gogriz.com's mythical "all access".

 

[garizzalies]

I agree with Hav.
Everyone is focusing on Brady's performance vs CP and Liberty, which makes sense as he did not look nearly as good. I get that. But people are not focusing on the real issue: if a qb cannot make the dynamic reads in a timely fashion, this offense will never accomplish what it is meant to do, and will be just another pass-happy or one-dimensional BSC offence. Brady can make those reads, and fast. He proved that vs. NDSU. I even witnessed it vs CP; altho he was off, he still at least attempted to make the reads. I'm not sure Chalich can, or can do so fast enough. Maybe he has and I missed it; or maybe they haven't called it, which should tell you something. (I'm not talking about post-snap zone-run-reads. Reading a DE for a handoff and reading a safety for a pass are light-years different). Thus, with Brady, this offense's ceiling is much higher. Again, I'm no expert but it appeared to me that every pass play Chalich has called was a predetermined route and not a dynamic read = playbook cut in half.

And yet the production by Chalich is comparable to BG over the past 3 games in spite of the offensive playbook...but all people want to base things on is the NDSU game....question is what is more likely from BG, his game 1 performance or his game 2-3 performance...I would say the jury is still very much out on that one

I don't give a fuck about stats/paper; I only believe what my two eyes show me. And, are you trying to compare NDSU's D to Lib's/CP's? I'm sure you get the difference there.
I agree the jury is still out on Brady because of the small sample size. I'm not trying to sell him as the best qb ever, but I do think he is the best qb we got for THIS offense.
And I don't think a qb running predetermined routes would have beat NDSU. Only someone who can do the dynamic reads could pull that off.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I only believe what my two eyes show me. And, are you trying to compare NDSU's D to Lib's/CP's? I'm sure you get the difference there.

Then why didn't he shred those two D's?