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Krakauer getting defensive?

PlayerRep said:
AllWeatherFan said:
UMGriz75 said:
GrizPony said:
It is always good to see how UM handles freedom of speech. Shout em down I always say. Take their mic away and label them a "heckler" even if the first two questions elicit admissions by the author. Pathetic. Nice job UMGriz75
I wish it had been me, but I was stuck in a telephone conference board meeting with a national nonprofit board. I could not attend. I don't know Mr. Dove, but he deserves an award.

Just curious, '75. Do you still stand by this statement?

You know, since we're so all-fired "truthy" and such...

That lawyer who spoke up, and who the Missoulian called a heckler and reported that he elbowed his way to the podium, had actually talked to the journalism dean/moderator before the forum to say that he planned to asked some questions. When he went to the podium, the dean handed the mic to him. So much for the Missoulian's accurate and fair reporting. The Missoulian has goofed up multiple stories and headlines in the past week. They've had to change and re-write online stories and headlines released in the late afternoon/early evening, and I think are having to retract at least one misstatement. Their performance has been so bad lately. Florio was biased and sometimes infuriating, but at least she wasn't as dumb and uninformed as some of the "reporters" they have now.

To be fair, it was an Associated Press report, not the Missoulian's report, that called the lawyer a "heckler" and said he "elbowed" his way to the podium.

http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/author-faces-heckler-at-forum-about-book-on-missoula-rapes/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Missoulian, however, may have run the AP report as well as their own report on the Krakauer event. I don't know as I don't live in Missoula and didn't see the paper the next day.
 
grizonbob said:
PlayerRep said:
AllWeatherFan said:
UMGriz75 said:
I wish it had been me, but I was stuck in a telephone conference board meeting with a national nonprofit board. I could not attend. I don't know Mr. Dove, but he deserves an award.

Just curious, '75. Do you still stand by this statement?

You know, since we're so all-fired "truthy" and such...

That lawyer who spoke up, and who the Missoulian called a heckler and reported that he elbowed his way to the podium, had actually talked to the journalism dean/moderator before the forum to say that he planned to asked some questions. When he went to the podium, the dean handed the mic to him. So much for the Missoulian's accurate and fair reporting. The Missoulian has goofed up multiple stories and headlines in the past week. They've had to change and re-write online stories and headlines released in the late afternoon/early evening, and I think are having to retract at least one misstatement. Their performance has been so bad lately. Florio was biased and sometimes infuriating, but at least she wasn't as dumb and uninformed as some of the "reporters" they have now.

To be fair, it was an Associated Press report, not the Missoulian's report, that called the lawyer a "heckler" and said he "elbowed" his way to the podium.

http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/author-faces-heckler-at-forum-about-book-on-missoula-rapes/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Missoulian, however, may have run the AP report as well as their own report on the Krakauer event. I don't know as I don't live in Missoula and didn't see the paper the next day.

To be accurate, this was the Missoulian online headline immediately after the forum.

"Author of book on Montana city's rape cases faces heckler". It included an AP photo and blurb on the photo calling the guy a heckler. I saw it in the online version after the forum. There is no argument whatsoever that the guy was not called a heckler by the Missoulian.
 
super_eagle13 said:
So to prove libel the story had to be:

1. False... :lol: CHECK
2. Harmful...CHECK
3. Published without reasonable verification by the reporter...very, very CHECK

But is Eramo a public figure? Seems like that could be the heart of the case.

Imagine a subpoena commanding Erdely turn over her notes. Would that not give us a fascinating peek into the narrative-sausage factory? Would any of you be surprised to find references, contacts, maybe even correspondences with characters like Krakauer and Florio?
"Discovery" is not something that Rolling Stone would want to happen in this case. A Jury Trial is the last thing that Rolling Stone wants. The case will settle, quickly, with a confidential settlement.

It is unfortunate that it is not a likely alternative for JJ in this matter, although Krak is beginning to push the boundaries. The criminal proceeding makes JJ a "public figure."

America has returned to old Southern ways; when "rape" was a sacred charge against those disfavored by elite society, and it was considered a near sacrilege to dare to suggest that a woman might lie about it. See, "To Kill a Mockingbird." An insult to their dignity and veracity. It was a crime itself. Women did not lie about something like that, juries were told.

The battle for due process was hard fought against ingrained cultures of political narratives. Then, of course, the narrative was that strong, healthy young men had a propensity -- a propensity, mind you -- to commit rape against vulnerable and susceptible young women.

The political angle of the narrative was substantial. If you care to stir up the pot, the political affiliations were all-important. As it happened, the accused "rapists" were invariably Republican. The lynch mobs invariably Democrats. "Rape" became a standard charge against the politically disfavored; those who represented a political and social threat. After all, it was an easy charge to prove; the word of the woman was all that was -- as many argue today that it should be -- necessary to convict. It was a peculiarly political charge for that reason, requiring lower standards of proof -- as it should have, it was argued.

Don't think it's not political. The same tactic is used today. Lena Dunham's recent false charge in her "book" -- another novel designed to profit off of the social justice narrative -- attempted to claim that she had been raped in college "by a Republican." That was a key point to her false narrative. Sabrina Erdely went after "white privileged frat boys." It was her intended socio-political target. Democratic DA Mike Nifong was going to prove that white, privileged athletes were a threat to the community. He was running for re-election and pandered shamelessly for black votes. The LaCrosse players were not in a criminal justice system, Nifong made them socio-political targets. A faculty committee at Duke, consisting of its most liberal faculty, publicly called for the castration of the Duke LaCrosse team members. To them, that was the appropriate socio-political justice.

Today, lynch mobs are composed of people with PhDs and journalistic credentials. They are feted, and awarded by deans and college presidents. Back then, a rope sufficed.

Call them today, the "politically incorrect." They play football; they stand for competition cultures of merit and achievement. It is a bulls-eye if they are White and Christian as well. The Florios and Krakauers have their target. Modern lynchings occur in the media. That's exactly what they are undertaking, a modern lynching because the jury acquitted. That's how it worked then, that's how it works now.
 
University of Virginia lawsuit, an early analysis.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/05/12/uva-associate-dean-nicole-eramo-sues-rolling-stone-an-early-analysis/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
grizbymarriage said:
Sportin' Life said:
MsMaroon said:
I'm a little out of practice, but I'll give it the old college try . . .

:x

Love,

Your AoD

PS - is that book really in free fall? :lol: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Sure thing ... Last week the book was fourth on the NY times bestseller list for nonfiction.... this week it is six.

I believe that NY Times bestseller ranking reflects sales through the week ending May 2 - almost two weeks old. The Amazon ranking is updated hourly; the book is currently at 116 among all Amazon books and, except for a little surge after the publicity generated by the Missoula forum last week, it has been consistently falling.
The NYT list is a compilation of numerous lists. Amazon list is just Amazon sales.
 
MsMaroon said:
AZGrizFan said:
MsMaroon said:
OK! It's been a couple of hours . . . I am might still have the "TK" mojo. ;)

Nope. Didn't work. Better go back to basics. ;)

I'll work on it. But this is a tough one. It hurts that my power has diminished. :cry:

TK is like alcoholism or anything else. You have to practice to be the best. Now get out there and show us what you can do!
 
Fuck That!

You're getting sleepy...very, very sleepy...

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mtgrizrule said:
signedbewildered said:
Meanwhile, while we continue to argue Krakauers book continues to plummet down the charts.


That is the best news to leave this subject on. End of thread. :thumb: :clap:

Book also available for "free" on those sites you shouldn't go to.
 
Re changing attitudes in the criminal justice system, up until about 1980, juries in Montana rape cases were in instructed that the crime of rape is easy to charge and difficult to disprove, even for an innocent defendant, and therefore the jury should view the testimony of the complaining witness with distrust. The instruction was developed in medieval England based on an opinion of Lord Coke, one of England's most influential legal experts. The Montana Supreme Court overruled a long line of precedent and held that the instruction should never be given in a decision in the early 80s. Not so long ago. Krakauer would probably argue that the presumption should be reversed, and the jury should distrust the testimony of the defendant. For me, I think we shouldn't instruct the jury to distrust anyone. We should just trust the jury to use its common sense and go where the evidence leads them.
 
bearister said:
Re changing attitudes in the criminal justice system, up until about 1980, juries in Montana rape cases were in instructed that the crime of rape is easy to charge and difficult to disprove, even for an innocent defendant, and therefore the jury should view the testimony of the complaining witness with distrust. The instruction was developed in medieval England based on an opinion of Lord Coke, one of England's most influential legal experts. The Montana Supreme Court overruled a long line of precedent and held that the instruction should never be given in a decision in the early 80s. Not so long ago. Krakauer would probably argue that the presumption should be reversed, and the jury should distrust the testimony of the defendant. For me, I think we shouldn't instruct the jury to distrust anyone. We should just trust the jury to use its common sense and go where the evidence leads them.

Sir, your common sense and objectivity are not wanted here!
 
I'm sorry guys but I couldn't resist the temptation. But this is it, final, the end, I promise. Bring on NDSU!


Posted: May 18, 2015 9:49 AM MDT

Updated: May 18, 2015 9:57 AM MDT

"Missoula" book drops on New York Times best seller list

By Dennis Bragg


MISSOULA -
A book focusing on the University of Montana sex assault scandal is still on the New York Times best seller list, but took a sizable drop in sales this past week.

Jon Krakauer's book "Missoula" delves into the three year old story of a series of sex assault cases that rocked the UM community. That scandal resulted in a rape conviction, and an acquittal, against two members of the UM football team and led to a turnover in two key managers of the athletic program, as well as reforms following a Department of Justice investigation.

During his appearance in Missoula two weeks ago, Krakauer defended his decision to title the book "Missoula", explaining he was using the local cases to draw awareness to the overall problem of sex assaults on college campus across the U.S.

The book immediately climbed into the Top 10 of the Times' best seller list, reaching #3 right before Krakauer's appearance. However, it dropped to #6 last week and had slid all the way to #13 on the latest tally. "Missoula" is in its third week of release.

There are only 15 positions positions on the Times' non-fiction best seller list.

"Missoula" isn't doing as well with ebook fans. It currently holds the 21st position on the Amazon non-fiction best sellers list in the Kindle Store.
 
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