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Grizbacker1 said:
You sound as confident as some of your players to the media. I guess UM should just stay home, we have no shot, it would be the upset of the century..... :roll:
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I guess I could keep knowledge of your next opponent to myself, or we can take each other's confidence into perspective and expect a good game.

Aside from this unpleasant and seemingly unproductive banter, I will say that your Griz has the respect of the Lobos!
 
I researched UNM box scores at their website. Based on the numbers here are somethings I have come up with for beating them.

(1) Force turnovers and convert in transition. They can be careless with the ball for stretches. They are quick yet give up transition points.

(2) If they get it going from the field, use a lot of fouls on them with our depth. Sort of like we chose who to foul against Weber State and it paid off. Use a similar strategy against UNM.

(3) When they shoot under 35% from 3 they are very vulnerable. By looking at the stats, I guess they force some shots. They continue to shoot 3's even when struggling. Use this to our advantage.

(4) They are very seldom beat on the boards, so if they struggle from the field box them out and limit multiple chances. In my opinion, a forced shot and defensive rebound is every bit as good as a turnover.

(5) Utilize Selvig and Qvale as often as possible inside. A few frontline tandems did well against them.

(6) Always keep Selvig or Qvale inside the paint defensively, even when they try to draw them out. Being a smaller team that is part of the reason they are a good rebounding team. They force better rebounding bigs out of the paint and then outquick them to the ball. Basically they lessen the presence of a big man on the boards and shotblocking.

In a nutshell these things come down to disciplined and awareness every trip down court on both ends. We cannot affort any mental errors. For the most part the GRIZ have been a very disciplined team as for taking good shots and taking care of the ball. I have believe we can do all these things, and really do have a good feeling of their weaknesses playing into our strengths.

Cherry and our bigs have to stay out of foul trouble. We need Cherry's ballhandling in there. Selvig and Qvale are our biggest advantages. Their presence will be huge defensively and on the boards. If UNM likewise gets either of them in foul trouble, it will be hard to overcome our strength suddenly being minimized.

We have to keep their 3% below 35%. If we do that alone, I really like our chances. Then again, alot of that depends on their discipline too. I really hope we get to their perimeter shooters everytime down court, and force them to outrebound us or beat us in the paint.
 
None of our bigs have any hops and I can see the Lobos going over our backs to keep the ball in play or tip it outside. Box out boys and push them away from the basket.
 
EverettGriz said:
The University of Washington scraper turned out to be less of a bragging point with their absolute implosion down the stretch.
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Washington imploded down the stretch?? Only a cat fan... :roll:


UW won 8 of their final 10. Has msu EVER won 8 of 10?

Incidentally, they also have a better RPI than the #6 seed that they face. A UW/UM rematch is not that difficult to fathom.
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If you suffer from the Grizzly Delusion, then I suppose it is not too hard to imagine. However, U of W won 8 out of 10 MORE because the Pac-10 was garbage rather than their stellar play down the stretch. This season, winning the Pac-10 resulted in lower seeds than the two teams emerging from the WCC. Either way, the Griz will not beat New Mexico and Washington will not beat Marquette. Sorry, but when they both play a competetive game against one another, you know either one team is really bad, one is really good, or they both are garbage. I'll take the last option.
 
We have to come out on fire and get up on them EARLY-make them think about being behind EVERY fricken time down the floor EVERY shot they take EVERY time they take the ball out of bounds-GET THE CROWD INTO IT! We need to double their intensity to compensate for their quickness and speed-EVERY rebound EVERY loose ball. We need to play with heart, desire, and with uncompromising passion-Play to WIN the damn game-WANT IT MORE THAN THEM! That is the key for Montana.
 
New Mexico is due lots of props, they are a very talented team. They won 29 games, in a conference that sent a conf record 4 teams to the big dance, even though they don't have a player taller than 6'8". They are ranked in the top 10, higher than Montana has or will EVER be ranked. UM has their work CUT OUT for them. :shock:

Having said all that, UM can win this game, IF they come out with their hair on fire and play on their toes and not their heels. Their only shot is take it to them or they will be run out of the gym. Will a confident strong Griz team show up or will they be wearing skirts? Our 7'0" and 6'11" players better be owning the glass...New Mexico doesn't shoot a high percentage from the floor, 3pt line, or free throw line, so we need to REBOUND. Players other than Johnson need to step it up, here's a quote that shows Montana is a one man team...: "Just the Johnson kid," New Mexico coach Steve Alford told the Associated Press when asked what he knows about the Griz. San Diego State delt New Mexico 2 of their 4 lossess, and SDSU had a couple big players that gave New Mexico trouble, will Montana's bigs give New Mexico trouble?

GO GRIZ
 
SDSU beat us twice because they are a tough matchup for us. Very athletic, VERY physical. From what I am reading the Griz are not SDSU quick, so even more you will need to muscle us to do well. We are not big, nor are we deep inside. That should change next season, but that is of little help this season.

I could be wrong but I suspect you DON'T want the crowd into the game. We travel very, very well and have a tendency to turn a lot of away gyms into a sea of red. Given the love affair the city has with this team right now, and how starved they have been, I expect there will be a lot of Lobos at San Jose. One report said our allotment was sold out in under 2 hrs and people are scowering tickets wherever they can find them. If it is a close game as I suspect it will be, the place should be loud.
 
Lobo2x53 said:
SDSU beat us twice because they are a tough matchup for us. Very athletic, VERY physical. From what I am reading the Griz are not SDSU quick, so even more you will need to muscle us to do well. We are not big, nor are we deep inside. That should change next season, but that is of little help this season.

I could be wrong but I suspect you DON'T want the crowd into the game. We travel very, very well and have a tendency to turn a lot of away gyms into a sea of red. Given the love affair the city has with this team right now, and how starved they have been, I expect there will be a lot of Lobos at San Jose. One report said our allotment was sold out in under 2 hrs and people are scowering tickets wherever they can find them. If it is a close game as I suspect it will be, the place should be loud.
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From the UM games I have seen this year (granted they were almost all UM losses) UM is not Very athletic, nor are they VERY physical. Our football coach even commented at halftime of one of our rivalry bball games that we needed to be more physical in the 2nd half, which we were not and subsequently lost to state for the 2nd time this year. Unless UM grows a pair and plays incredibly inspired (star player says everything is coming together for them) this won't be much of a game to sweat over for the Lobos.
 
If you suffer from the Grizzly Delusion, then I suppose it is not too hard to imagine. However, U of W won 8 out of 10 MORE because the Pac-10 was garbage rather than their stellar play down the stretch. This season, winning the Pac-10 resulted in lower seeds than the two teams emerging from the WCC. Either way, the Griz will not beat New Mexico and Washington will not beat Marquette. Sorry, but when they both play a competetive game against one another, you know either one team is really bad, one is really good, or they both are garbage. I'll take the last option.[/quote]


Why don't you just man-up and admit you don't know what the f*ck you're talking about? First you claim that UW crashed down the stretch. When I point out that you are cluelessly incorrect, you change the story to "the pac 10 is weak" or some POS argument like that.

Nonetheless, I'll dip down to the intelligence level of the average msu grad. If UW is as bad as you suggest, why is their RPI 10 points better than the #6 seed they're facing, a team you are confident will paste them? I'm VERY interested to hear your uniformed and nonsensical reply to that question.




Man, it must suck to be a jealous msu fan....
 
Lobo2x53 said:
SDSU beat us twice because they are a tough matchup for us. Very athletic, VERY physical. From what I am reading the Griz are not SDSU quick, so even more you will need to muscle us to do well. We are not big, nor are we deep inside. That should change next season, but that is of little help this season.

I could be wrong but I suspect you DON'T want the crowd into the game. We travel very, very well and have a tendency to turn a lot of away gyms into a sea of red. Given the love affair the city has with this team right now, and how starved they have been, I expect there will be a lot of Lobos at San Jose. One report said our allotment was sold out in under 2 hrs and people are scowering tickets wherever they can find them. If it is a close game as I suspect it will be, the place should be loud.
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Well, I know 3 from LA going to San Jose wearing their maroon and one old color, and there are thousands more um grads in Silcon Valley and SF...and I wouldn't worry about the crowd...this is the NCAA...EVERYBODY loves the underdog...and, according to Fox sports, Montana is now the tournament darling....when the Griz come from behind to take the lead on NMU, the crowd will roar..Go Griz....
 
mtgrizrule said:
I researched UNM box scores at their website. Based on the numbers here are somethings I have come up with for beating them.

(1) Force turnovers and convert in transition. They can be careless with the ball for stretches. They are quick yet give up transition points.

(*A) If you try and get in a running game with UNM you will be in BIG trouble. We usually run 3 guards that can get up and down the court. Ranging from 6'2 to 6'7 at the guard spot. Your best bet is a half court game, princeton style...

(2) If they get it going from the field, use a lot of fouls on them with our depth. Sort of like we chose who to foul against Weber State and it paid off. Use a similar strategy against UNM.

(*A) UNM is 30-37 or sumething in last 2 games from the free throw line. careful what you ask for...

(3) When they shoot under 35% from 3 they are very vulnerable. By looking at the stats, I guess they force some shots. They continue to shoot 3's even when struggling. Use this to our advantage.

(*A) Thats hard to keep UNM under 35% if your not faster, and stronger, and heavy winded... UNM ALWAYS takes open 3's and RARELY forces one. BTW they will get you with all thier pics, screen, and motion offense

(4) They are very seldom beat on the boards, so if they struggle from the field box them out and limit multiple chances. In my opinion, a forced shot and defensive rebound is every bit as good as a turnover.

(*A) The 2 teams we mauled from the Big 12, Utah (x2) and CSU with 7 ftrs couldnt even box our guys off the glass. only 3 time all yr has it happened... Almost a losing battle. They might be smaller but their also one of the most Athletic teams in the West and by far the most athletic team UM has faced this yr.

(5) Utilize Selvig and Qvale as often as possible inside. A few frontline tandems did well against them.

(*A) I hope ur bigs are fast, and athletic, cuz Will Brown and AJ Hardeman are catalysts of the glass and shutting down the paint.. HIGHLY underrated duo in the paint, These guys banged with SDSU bigs which has the best bigs in the West..

(6) Always keep Selvig or Qvale inside the paint defensively, even when they try to draw them out. Being a smaller team that is part of the reason they are a good rebounding team. They force better rebounding bigs out of the paint and then outquick them to the ball. Basically they lessen the presence of a big man on the boards and shotblocking.

(*A) Do that and you will leave HUGE gaps for Dairese Gary, Darington Hobson, and Phil Mcdonald to penetrate and eat your lunc. Colapse and they dish to the open corner for the 3... OUCH

In a nutshell these things come down to disciplined and awareness every trip down court on both ends. We cannot affort any mental errors. For the most part the GRIZ have been a very disciplined team as for taking good shots and taking care of the ball. I have believe we can do all these things, and really do have a good feeling of their weaknesses playing into our strengths.

**** I hope so

Cherry and our bigs have to stay out of foul trouble. We need Cherry's ballhandling in there. Selvig and Qvale are our biggest advantages. Their presence will be huge defensively and on the boards. If UNM likewise gets either of them in foul trouble, it will be hard to overcome our strength suddenly being minimized.

(*A) Rest assured the UNM slashes and drives will draw enormous foul trouble for the Grizzlies. Thats what they do! Their among tops in drawing fouls and getting to the line! And lately, you wanna keep them off the line..

We have to keep their 3% below 35%. If we do that alone, I really like our chances. Then again, alot of that depends on their discipline too. I really hope we get to their perimeter shooters everytime down court, and force them to outrebound us or beat us in the paint.

(*A) UNM will be by far the most Disciplined team you have played this year. Keepin mind, they are also the 3rd youngest returning players team in the country and they have played in and handled adversity admirably... Only 1 Sr on UNM and 4 Top 100 recruits coming in Next year!
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I added my replies inside ur quote!!!!

Good Luck Grizzlies!!!

GOOOOOOOOOOOOO LOBOS
 
That is fantastic that your team can do all of that...but if every team played to its potential every game, would there ever be any upsets? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. No doubt your team is favored, but let's just wait and see how the two teams play, not how they should play. BTW, if the Griz play to their full potential against NM full potential, it's a close game.
 
EverettGriz said:
If you suffer from the Grizzly Delusion, then I suppose it is not too hard to imagine. However, U of W won 8 out of 10 MORE because the Pac-10 was garbage rather than their stellar play down the stretch. This season, winning the Pac-10 resulted in lower seeds than the two teams emerging from the WCC. Either way, the Griz will not beat New Mexico and Washington will not beat Marquette. Sorry, but when they both play a competetive game against one another, you know either one team is really bad, one is really good, or they both are garbage. I'll take the last option.
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Why don't you just man-up and admit you don't know what the f*ck you're talking about? First you claim that UW crashed down the stretch. When I point out that you are cluelessly incorrect, you change the story to "the pac 10 is weak" or some POS argument like that.

Nonetheless, I'll dip down to the intelligence level of the average msu grad. If UW is as bad as you suggest, why is their RPI 10 points better than the #6 seed they're facing, a team you are confident will paste them? I'm VERY interested to hear your uniformed and nonsensical reply to that question.




Man, it must suck to be a jealous msu fan....[/quote]

Boy, that response is just pathetic. Every basketball fan in Washington knows that the talent level and facilities are grossly underutilized by Lorenzo Romar. U of W fans would be the first to admit this. They crashed down the stretch because they started the season ranked in the top 10, and got absolutely dominated on the road. They had only 2 wins vs. the RPI top 50, unlike Marquette, and struggled against very average Pac-10 teams. The Pac-10 is garbage argument isn't weak. It is a widely acknowledged fact in college basketball. Two teams made the tournament. Two. An 8 seed and an 11 seed.

Marquette, having played better competition every game than the U of W, will know how to dismantle this team, especially since they will be playing away from home. They will have a more difficult matchup against New Mexico in the 2nd round. It is sad, because you are actually more angry about the pick against U of W rather than the pick against Montana.

The Griz Delusion prevents you from seeing these issues clearly. Hopefully you don't suffer from the Husky delusion as well.
 
stubbins said:
That is fantastic that your team can do all of that...but if every team played to its potential every game, would there ever be any upsets? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. No doubt your team is favored, but let's just wait and see how the two teams play, not how they should play. BTW, if the Griz play to their full potential against NM full potential, it's a close game.
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Than what youre saying is UM is as Good as UNM???

Ya prob not even clise dude.. I do respect, and like UM but their on 2 totally diff levels. I have seen 3 UM games.. 2 were losses one a brilliant come from behing by AJ. BTW that kind of shooting night wont happen against the UNM defense

Good luck Thurs fellas!!!

EVERYONES A LOBO
 
1986cat said:
Evizzerate said:
There are at least 5 guys playing for the Griz right now that would start or play significant minutes for any team in the West.
Staudacher, Cherry, Selvig, Johnson and Qvale. We match up just fine and just have to hit the shots.
Am I right? :thumb:
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Please name those teams and who they would play in front of out here in the West.

This ought to be interesting.
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1986jackass:

You need to go back to the bozone and bobcatnation and stay there. BTW, were you born in '86 or did you graduate froom AG state then, because your posts are not telling? You could be 24 or 46, it's really not clear; what is clear though is the fact that you have no life, validated by your presence here.

If you really were a Montana guy, you would pull for the Griz here. Its guys like you that make me want to pull for MSU's competition even when it's not UM. Get a life, tool.

GO GRIZ
 
Just about everything I've read on UNM says to beat them you need to play very physical. I hope our bigs can knock them around a bit inside to establish themselves. Might be a good game to give Banny quality minutes.. Even though he's not big, he always plays physical. Even though Qvale didn't score a ton of points in the Weber game, I did like his play in the 2nd half inside. He rebounded very well and swatted a ton of shots. We'll need that again against UNM.

Here's what ESPN's mini writeup (in the bracket section) says about UNM and the Griz:

UNM:
"Darington Hobson is among the top stat-sheet stuffers in the game, but Roman Martinez and Dairese Gary supply the grit for this Lobos team. UNM is a potent 3-point shooting club, but it will be interesting to see how they fare on the glass against a physical foe."

Griz:
"Anthony Johnson and his 42 points in the Big Sky final got Montana into the tournament, but the Grizzlies have quality role players, too. They have two huge bodies down low in Brian Qvale and Derek Selvig. They're not an opponent you want to see in your favorite team's pod."

Is it Thursday yet!?!
 
Team wise, I feel the keys are rebounding and 3 point defense, needs to be under 35%.

Individually, I expect Selvig to do a little of everything. I want to see us run high/low a lot. Selvig's presence gives us ball distribution/offensive continuity, takes attention away from Qvale, gives us more rebounding, and extends our perimeter defense. His length and court awareness will be huge factors in this game.

Our X factor I feel will be Young, his athleticism could be key on both ends of the court in matching up with UNM. After watching UNM a few times this year, I hope Tinkle sees how Young can help us. If we struggle some and Young is not out there, I will be a little disappointed.
 
mtgrizrule said:
Team wise, I feel the keys are rebounding and 3 point defense, needs to be under 35%.

Individually, I expect Selvig to do a little of everything. I want to see us run high/low a lot. Selvig's presence gives us ball distribution/offensive continuity, takes attention away from Qvale, gives us more rebounding, and extends our perimeter defense. His length and court awareness will be huge factors in this game.

Our X factor I feel will be Young, his athleticism could be key on both ends of the court in matching up with UNM. After watching UNM a few times this year, I hope Tinkle sees how Young can help us. If we struggle some and Young is not out there, I will be a little disappointed.
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I think it is more important to worry about penetration than their 3 point shooting. If they get to the tin they get easy baskets and fouls. Granted, we need to close out when they are shooting threes, but we just mainly need to hope they couldn't throw it in the ocean tomorrow night.
 
IntuitiveGriz said:
New Mexico is due lots of props, they are a very talented team. They won 29 games, in a conference that sent a conf record 4 teams to the big dance, even though they don't have a player taller than 6'8". They are ranked in the top 10, higher than Montana has or will EVER be ranked. UM has their work CUT OUT for them. :shock:

Having said all that, UM can win this game, IF they come out with their hair on fire and play on their toes and not their heels. Their only shot is take it to them or they will be run out of the gym. Will a confident strong Griz team show up or will they be wearing skirts? Our 7'0" and 6'11" players better be owning the glass...New Mexico doesn't shoot a high percentage from the floor, 3pt line, or free throw line, so we need to REBOUND. Players other than Johnson need to step it up, here's a quote that shows Montana is a one man team...: "Just the Johnson kid," New Mexico coach Steve Alford told the Associated Press when asked what he knows about the Griz. San Diego State delt New Mexico 2 of their 4 lossess, and SDSU had a couple big players that gave New Mexico trouble, will Montana's bigs give New Mexico trouble?

GO GRIZ
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San Diego States bigs are some of if not the most athletic bigs in the country... FAR FAR comparison to SDSU's bigs vs the UM bigs... UM bigs are more along the line of the CSU and Utah bigs... We swept both of the this year and won the battle of the boards in all 4 of those games.. 8-)

Even the SDSU loss we only got outrebounded by 2 ;)

Dont take offense... But there is NO comparison...

Good luck tomorrow guys
 
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