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Kent Haslam yesterday

jcu27 said:
BWahlberg said:
grizpack said:
jcu27 said:
Fvck Kent.... Keep the griz trapped in the big sigh.. Fvck that. And he's probably just as or even maybe more crooked than the other folks involved with UM. People that want this guy in have to be mentally retarded.

Sometimes it is better to stay quiet and let people think you are a complete idiot rather than saying something and removing all doubt. :roll:

Agree there with you GP.

As for Kent's statement JCU consider the points he made:

1. RIGHT NOW we're in the best spot we can be in.

2. Will re-consider if something financially more feasible arrives.

3. Mentioned that we are geographically challenged b/c the FBS options in our region are slim

And case in point how did soon to be homeless Idaho fare last night?
Really FBS options are slim in this region? What about Wyoming and Nebraska and all the west coast teams... And for the idaho comment it was shown that they suck bad. Griz are better.

Compared to the mid-west and east coast yes.

We have 1 option for a conference anymore, the Mountain West and they're not interested in us.

Pac-12? Nope.

Ok then what else, C-USA or Sun Belt? Those are not very regionally viable. If we were in Nebraska or further east (or south in TX/AZ/NM) we would have better regional travel partners.

Independent won't work either, scheduling would be a nightmare for an unproven move up team.
 
why does it not surprise me that re/min and greenie have made up their minds about who should be hired without really listening to what the outside candidates had to say?
 
I read Haslam noted that being an inside guy, and being here for the last few years is a disadvantage. Did he also talk about what he would have done or would do differently if he were AD? Did he differentiate his theory of Athletic Department Management from Jim O'Day? I think the message being received right now is that things will continue to being ran as they were if Haslam is selected - is that what anyone who heard him speak got from this (and no I don't mean if he is selected the rapes will continue)? Thanks
 
argh! said:
why does it not surprise me that re/min and greenie have made up their minds about who should be hired without really listening to what the outside candidates had to say?

Point out where I said I made up my mind please.
 
you have, and you know it. you wrote it between the lines above, and in other posts on the subject.
 
Grizbeer said:
I read Haslam noted that being an inside guy, and being here for the last few years is a disadvantage. Did he also talk about what he would have done or would do differently if he were AD? Did he differentiate his theory of Athletic Department Management from Jim O'Day? I think the message being received right now is that things will continue to being ran as they were if Haslam is selected - is that what anyone who heard him speak got from this (and no I don't mean if he is selected the rapes will continue)? Thanks

He didn't say he was an inside guy. He said he had been here since 2006. He didn't say that was a disadvantage. It was just a fact that he couldn't do anything about. He later indicated it was an advantage that he was familiar with UM, its personnel, its donors, its needs, and its issues--and he would be able to hit the ground running. He also said he was not and is not privy to some of the things that have caused the issues. He stated how he would lead and manage and what was important to him. He did not compare himself to O'Day. He indicated that many things in UM athletics and the department are good and working, and he would change and improve the other things. He had a written list/plan with him.
 
All of these guys are going to say what people want to hear. Just like presidents. They all lie and mislead.
 
PlayerRep said:
Grizbeer said:
I read Haslam noted that being an inside guy, and being here for the last few years is a disadvantage. Did he also talk about what he would have done or would do differently if he were AD? Did he differentiate his theory of Athletic Department Management from Jim O'Day? I think the message being received right now is that things will continue to being ran as they were if Haslam is selected - is that what anyone who heard him speak got from this (and no I don't mean if he is selected the rapes will continue)? Thanks

He didn't say he was an inside guy. He said he had been here since 2006. He didn't say that was a disadvantage. It was just a fact that he couldn't do anything about. He later indicated it was an advantage that he was familiar with UM, its personnel, its donors, its needs, and its issues--and he would be able to hit the ground running. He also said he was not and is not privy to some of the things that have caused the issues. He stated how he would lead and manage and what was important to him. He did not compare himself to O'Day. He indicated that many things in UM athletics and the department are good and working, and he would change and improve the other things. He had a written list/plan with him.
Thanks for the response. Based on what you know of him and his answers yesterday, does he seem inclined to follow the same path paid out by Jim O'Day, or go a different direction? Did he go over the written list and plan, or were there any notable specifics from it? Did he say (other than the conference comments) which things are good and working, which need to change or improve?

Also true he didn't explicitly say he was an insider, or that it was a disadvantage. Here is what was quoted in the Missoulian:
There’s no doubt the elephant in the room is that I’m an internal candidate and I’ve been here for the last six and a half years,” he offered. “There’s not a lot I can do to change where my career has taken me.

“All I can say is I honestly did not know all the things that were going on. I don’t know why the NCAA is here investigating. I don’t use that as an excuse. I’m telling you the truth. There’s no doubt it’s been a difficult six to seven months. I will move forward with integrity, with discipline, with focus on student athletes’ academic success.”
So I shortened and paraphrased what I read him saying (internal/Inside, disadvantage/elephant in the room, that there was not a lot he could do to change his carer path). Wasn't meant disparagingly, I thought it was good he addressed this.
 
jcu27 said:
All of these guys are going to say what people want to hear. Just like presidents. They all lie and mislead.

To paraphrase Douglas Rae, business teacher at Yale, the problem with theories is they are rarely applied in such a way to mirror the idealism that exists within the theory. So in otherwords, people love socialism because of the idea of socialism not the requirements to employ the philosophy within.

Your theory is that Haslam, like a Republican or Democrat politician, is corrupt because he is a part of a corrupt house. In theory that makes sense but if you truly belive these guys say everything to get hired, how do you make the correct choice? By doing work.

The perversion of the whole inbred argument that people on egriz have been spouting for years, is that there is an assumption, much like many socialist advocates of countries like England, Sweeden, Norway, that socialism must be better because it isn't capitalism. Or more appropriately for this, Johnson is better than Haslam because Johnson is from a bigger and better college.

Infuriating to me is that much like the business philosphy of modern CEO's is that bigger must be better despite the ethical, real and theoretical costs needed to employ the expansion. The same is true here, just because Montana isn't moving up or contemplating that move it is seen as a negative move rather than a sound ethical and monetary move. Ask Idaho how that is going. Perfect example where the theory of imagined profits outran the ability or foresight to understand the real costs that would be incurred by such a move.

The answer as to who the better candidate is how Douglas Rae answered the critics on the drawbacks of capitalism. Sometimes the answer isn't to throw out the whole system, but rather understand how to use the current system to distribute resources in a far more efficient manner to a large number of people. Capitalism isn't corrupt because it is capitalism. Nor is Kent Haslam corrupt for being apart of a department that has been riddled by scandal.

In that regard, the answer to who is the best candidate isn't whole is willing to throw the baby out with the bathwater but rather who has a better handle of how to maxmize resources with the current constraints of the system. If Haslam is the best candidate because he has a very good handle for the real issues of the athletic department going forward and understands how to eliminate inequalities then it shouldn't matter that he is from within the department or not.
 
argh! said:
jcu27 said:
grizpack said:
jcu27 said:
Fvck Kent.... Keep the griz trapped in the big sigh.. Fvck that. And he's probably just as or even maybe more crooked than the other folks involved with UM. People that want this guy in have to be mentally retarded.

Sometimes it is better to stay quiet and let people think you are a complete idiot rather than saying something and removing all doubt. :roll:
1. anyone that wants the future of the griz to be in the big sky, is an idiot. 2. Anyone that wants to hire someone from within after this whole shit mess, is an idiot. 3. Tell me how Montana is going to make the big sky better. They going to start recruiting and coaching for other schools? Don't think so. It's going to stay the same just some teams will occasionaly have better or worse years. 4. Don't you want whats best for the University instead of being for a guy just because he comes from within? How well has that worked out so far?

i actually agree with jcewe. holy cow.

Probably because you are both stupid? :thumb:
 
Good one crack. Anyways, never trust a president. end of story on that. I'm just tired of UM not moving forward and almost always hiring people from within. What's the point.. It's not working unless you like being in the same place year in year out. I don't know much of anything about these AD candidates besides what has been posted on here but, I'd feel much better about an outside hire.
 
Like it or not, Haslam is an important individual in the department that is tainted by past decisions. The NCAA might be more impressed if UM hires an AD that has no association with the problems of the past.
 
Btw, we have have no idea who'd be the best AD. They would all have to be it for awhile for us to know and that's not going to happen. Most people are assuming the best is this guy because he's been with UM. FYI that doesn't make him better.
 
Grizbeer said:
PlayerRep said:
Grizbeer said:
I read Haslam noted that being an inside guy, and being here for the last few years is a disadvantage. Did he also talk about what he would have done or would do differently if he were AD? Did he differentiate his theory of Athletic Department Management from Jim O'Day? I think the message being received right now is that things will continue to being ran as they were if Haslam is selected - is that what anyone who heard him speak got from this (and no I don't mean if he is selected the rapes will continue)? Thanks

He didn't say he was an inside guy. He said he had been here since 2006. He didn't say that was a disadvantage. It was just a fact that he couldn't do anything about. He later indicated it was an advantage that he was familiar with UM, its personnel, its donors, its needs, and its issues--and he would be able to hit the ground running. He also said he was not and is not privy to some of the things that have caused the issues. He stated how he would lead and manage and what was important to him. He did not compare himself to O'Day. He indicated that many things in UM athletics and the department are good and working, and he would change and improve the other things. He had a written list/plan with him.
Thanks for the response. Based on what you know of him and his answers yesterday, does he seem inclined to follow the same path paid out by Jim O'Day, or go a different direction? Did he go over the written list and plan, or were there any notable specifics from it? Did he say (other than the conference comments) which things are good and working, which need to change or improve?

Also true he didn't explicitly say he was an insider, or that it was a disadvantage. Here is what was quoted in the Missoulian:
There’s no doubt the elephant in the room is that I’m an internal candidate and I’ve been here for the last six and a half years,” he offered. “There’s not a lot I can do to change where my career has taken me.

“All I can say is I honestly did not know all the things that were going on. I don’t know why the NCAA is here investigating. I don’t use that as an excuse. I’m telling you the truth. There’s no doubt it’s been a difficult six to seven months. I will move forward with integrity, with discipline, with focus on student athletes’ academic success.”
So I shortened and paraphrased what I read him saying (internal/Inside, disadvantage/elephant in the room, that there was not a lot he could do to change his carer path). Wasn't meant disparagingly, I thought it was good he addressed this.

Again, Haslam didn't compare himself to O'Day or what O'Day did. I don't think Haslam or Johnson mentioned O'Day, directly or indirectly. My recollection is that Haslam listed various general things he would do and what his general approach would be. For example, he and the dept would engage the media and talk to them as much as they could. They wouldn't hide from the media. He would get out in front of donors as soon as possible. He would involve coaches in talking to donors. I don't know the specifics of what O'Day did, or what his leadership style was, so I can't compare what Haslam said to what O'Day did.
 
Thanks PR. I suppose that is all you could really expect a candidate to say given the current situation. An unfortunate product of the current situation. I suppose if UM were hiring an AD after a retirement the candidates could offer more information about their vision for the department, instead of how they will respond to crisis (and "winning the right way" doesn't count as a vision - what else are they going to say, were going to have has many criminals here as possible as long as we win, or we don't care about winning :lol: ).

On the other hand I suppose it doesn't matter what they say us (or at least people like me) since we have no say on the subject. In the long run the hire will be more a reflection of President Engstrom's true vision of the athletic department.

For the record, JCU I know Haslam in passing (my kids went to school with some of his kids), and from what I know of him he is a good guy, down to earth, personable and a good father - not the kind of guy you would ever characterize as a crook. Not that it makes him the best candidate, but I do feel confidant he would never do anything to embarrass the University with his decisions or actions.

For the record if I was interviewing for the AD position, here is what my platform would be - UM belongs in a conference with Tier I research universities that are either the Land Grant or Flagship Schools for their respective state, regardless of the football classification, and would work my hardest to assure UM is not in a conference with former community colleges.
 
PlayerRep said:
Again, Haslam didn't compare himself to O'Day or what O'Day did. I don't think Haslam or Johnson mentioned O'Day, directly or indirectly. My recollection is that Haslam listed various general things he would do and what his general approach would be. For example, he and the dept would engage the media and talk to them as much as they could. They wouldn't hide from the media. He would get out in front of donors as soon as possible. He would involve coaches in talking to donors. I don't know the specifics of what O'Day did, or what his leadership style was, so I can't compare what Haslam said to what O'Day did.

The statement getting out in front of the Donor's as soon as possible piques my interest. If there is a "longer term problem" I have to wonder how a change of title would improve his relationship with the donors and provide the "changes" necessary to pull them back in as this is his role now.....
 
Perfect comments in the last paragraph of your post.
Regarding the AD hire, the decision probably already has been made by Engstrom and a few of the Missoula folks of influence may know the name of our new AD.
 
crackgina said:
argh! said:
jcu27 said:
grizpack said:
Sometimes it is better to stay quiet and let people think you are a complete idiot rather than saying something and removing all doubt. :roll:
1. anyone that wants the future of the griz to be in the big sky, is an idiot. 2. Anyone that wants to hire someone from within after this whole shit mess, is an idiot. 3. Tell me how Montana is going to make the big sky better. They going to start recruiting and coaching for other schools? Don't think so. It's going to stay the same just some teams will occasionaly have better or worse years. 4. Don't you want whats best for the University instead of being for a guy just because he comes from within? How well has that worked out so far?

i actually agree with jcewe. holy cow.

Probably because you are both stupid? :thumb:

oh no, called stupid by someone who thinks the moniker "crackgina" is clever, and affixes it to himself.

the horror, the horror.
 
tnt said:
PlayerRep said:
Again, Haslam didn't compare himself to O'Day or what O'Day did. I don't think Haslam or Johnson mentioned O'Day, directly or indirectly. My recollection is that Haslam listed various general things he would do and what his general approach would be. For example, he and the dept would engage the media and talk to them as much as they could. They wouldn't hide from the media. He would get out in front of donors as soon as possible. He would involve coaches in talking to donors. I don't know the specifics of what O'Day did, or what his leadership style was, so I can't compare what Haslam said to what O'Day did.

The statement getting out in front of the Donor's as soon as possible piques my interest. If there is a "longer term problem" I have to wonder how a change of title would improve his relationship with the donors and provide the "changes" necessary to pull them back in as this is his role now.....

It would be more than a change of job title. It would be a completely different job with more authority and status. The AD has much more ability to establish the vision and priorities, and to set the strategy for fund-raising, than an assistant with fund-raising responsibilities. An AD also have more ability to involve additional people, including coaches, and perhaps the president in fund-raising. How long would it take for a new AD to get up to speed on fund-raising and develop relationships with the larger potential donors? Six months? A year? Two years?
 
Wwwwwwhat is wrong with you guys ??? Silvertipper Argie and JseeU want to move up, and they will not listen to any other opinions or facts.


Look below for a status update on Idaho football and the WAC:

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