Just Watched SUU Replay

[kemajic]

Not saying one is better than the other, don't want or need to start an argument, I do feel Cam has better pocket presence, if seems to step up and move around to help not get sacked as much. Not saying he's the better quarterback, just something I've noticed.

I think you are right. But pocket presence is a learned trait. QBs aren't born with it, they must be taught. I assume that our two ex-NFL QB coaches are working with Brown on that aspect of his game. And you have every right to your opinion, just as I do to mine.

But, do you think that Humphrey, as a frosh, had great pocket presence? Secondly, the stats don't lie. We can slice it and dice it any way you like, but the stats are the stats.

CH is not a frosh and that's not the pertinent comparison; we are talking about now, this year. It's one of your cop-out agruments.

 

[kemajic]

Do you think we’ve all taken crazy pills here? YOU, yes YOU were literally the ONLY one pre-season who INSISTED Brown was the best option. LONG before he’d ever taken a live in-game snap.

And I can almost guarantee that if Cam is healthy, he gets the job back.

And I haven't wavered. Brown is a much better QB, learning his trade the same way Berquist, J.J., and other frosh who took some snaps did. Are you really that obtuse to suggest that a freshman Cam Humphrey could have looked as good as Brown has looked?

Since you're big on stats, you might enjoy this dose of reality.....

Humphrey completion percentage.................62.3%
Brown completion percentage........................67.1%
Number of snaps, Humphrey..............................................246
Number of snaps, Brown.....................................................337
Passing Attempts, Humphrey.....................................114
Passing Attempts, Brown............................................140
Interceptions, Humphrey................................................4
Interceptions, Brown......................................................4
Fumbles, Humphrey.......................................................3
Fumbles, Brown.............................................................3
Pass attempts per interception, Humphrey.................28.5
Pass attempts per interception, Brown........................35.0
Snaps per turnover, Humphrey......................................35.1
Snaps per turnover, Brown.............................................48.1

Of course the stats that don't fit your narrative don't belong in the argument.
Yard's per attempt, CH.................................................7.09
Yards per attempt, KB..................................................6.84
Passing efficiency, CH...............................................140.9
Passing efficiency, KB................................................125.9
Rushing yards, CH........................................................79
Rushing yards, KB........................................................40
Touchdowns passing, CH.............................................9
Touchdowns passing, KB.............................................3

3 TDs in 140 passing attempts is abysmal, please explain. The better QB is the guy who gets the ball into the endzone!

 

[SaskGriz]

Just finished watching the SUU game, 5 random take aways

1. The refs did the best they could but I think they were over matched by the speed and athleticism of the game. It didn't cost either team in terms of the outcome but it made it flow like major league baseball, which is less watchable than cricket, which is unwatchable.

2. The Griz can not run RPO with a 175 pound RB that is not a shot at Bergen. He's amazing but he's just too small for what they are asking him to do. PS: All Griz "experts" stop being excited when all the boys gain 60 and become 310'ers in the off season and then bitch that they can't pull like the '72 Dolphins. You build a pillow fort you better be ready to fight behind a pillow fort.

3. White caught that TD in the first half, control when his foot went down, control when he his ass hit the ground out of bounds and even control when he bounced once. We got the 3 but that would have been 4 more.

4. Robbie Hauck was charged with D-holding on a play where he literally wasn't within 10 yards of a receiver. They meant to give it to Robertson but the arguing was on Hauck and shouldn't have happened, but then it never should.

5. Fontes is silk.

 

[uofmman1122]

Contrarily, Eric Barrierre had offers from Northern Colorado, NAU, Sac. State, and EWU. He was offered preferred walk-on status at Arizona State, Iowa State, and Wisconsin.

It is still a mystery to me how we did not offer this kid! Did we not even know about him????

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2016/eric-barriere-13627#school-interests

We didn't offer him because Stitt had his QB recruit in Gresch Jensen.

In hindsight, yeah, maybe not a great choice, but they were both similarly rated 2-star QBs (who were both being recruited by Eastern Washington).

 

[1972]

Not saying one is better than the other, don't want or need to start an argument, I do feel Cam has better pocket presence, if seems to step up and move around to help not get sacked as much. Not saying he's the better quarterback, just something I've noticed.

I think you are right. But pocket presence is a learned trait. QBs aren't born with it, they must be taught. I assume that our two ex-NFL QB coaches are working with Brown on that aspect of his game. And you have every right to your opinion, just as I do to mine.

But, do you think that Humphrey, as a frosh, had great pocket presence? Secondly, the stats don't lie. We can slice it and dice it any way you like, but the stats are the stats.

I'm not sure if it's a learned trait or not, some quarterbacks have a better instinct, do know that lots of times that extra 1/2 second to a full second it buys can result in a big play to a receiver that pops open.

 

[hunt-ducks]

And I haven't wavered. Brown is a much better QB, learning his trade the same way Berquist, J.J., and other frosh who took some snaps did. Are you really that obtuse to suggest that a freshman Cam Humphrey could have looked as good as Brown has looked?

Since you're big on stats, you might enjoy this dose of reality.....

Humphrey completion percentage.................62.3%
Brown completion percentage........................67.1%
Number of snaps, Humphrey..............................................246
Number of snaps, Brown.....................................................337
Passing Attempts, Humphrey.....................................114
Passing Attempts, Brown............................................140
Interceptions, Humphrey................................................4
Interceptions, Brown......................................................4
Fumbles, Humphrey.......................................................3
Fumbles, Brown.............................................................3
Pass attempts per interception, Humphrey.................28.5
Pass attempts per interception, Brown........................35.0
Snaps per turnover, Humphrey......................................35.1
Snaps per turnover, Brown.............................................48.1

Of course the stats that don't fit your narrative don't belong in the argument.
Yard's per attempt, CH.................................................7.09
Yards per attempt, KB..................................................6.84
Passing efficiency, CH...............................................140.9
Passing efficiency, KB................................................125.9
Rushing yards, CH........................................................79
Rushing yards, KB........................................................40
Touchdowns passing, CH.............................................9
Touchdowns passing, KB.............................................3

3 TDs in 140 passing attempts is abysmal, please explain. The better QB is the guy who gets the ball into the endzone!

Rushing TDs...... Humphrey..... 1...... Brown ....3

Humphrey turns the ball over 30% more often, leading to several more opponent's TDs, and stopping potential Griz drives for TDs. Another example of how stats which don't fit your narrative don't belong in the argument..... quoting you

Bottom line, you are comparing a 19-year old freshman who has started a few games, to a 24-year old sixth-year man who should have graduated two years ago and now be working in a bank somewhere. It is noted how you refuse to address my question about how proficient Humphrey was as a 19-year old BYU freshman, who was 5th on the BYU depth chart at that time.

 

[hunt-ducks]

Just finished watching the SUU game, 5 random take aways

1. The refs did the best they could but I think they were over matched by the speed and athleticism of the game. It didn't cost either team in terms of the outcome but it made it flow like major league baseball, which is less watchable than cricket, which is unwatchable.

2. The Griz can not run RPO with a 175 pound RB that is not a shot at Bergen. He's amazing but he's just too small for what they are asking him to do. PS: All Griz "experts" stop being excited when all the boys gain 60 and become 310'ers in the off season and then bitch that they can't pull like the '72 Dolphins. You build a pillow fort you better be ready to fight behind a pillow fort.

3. White caught that TD in the first half, control when his foot went down, control when he his ass hit the ground out of bounds and even control when he bounced once. We got the 3 but that would have been 4 more.

4. Robbie Hauck was charged with D-holding on a play where he literally wasn't within 10 yards of a receiver. They meant to give it to Robertson but the arguing was on Hauck and shouldn't have happened, but then it never should.

5. Fontes is silk.

I agree with most of your points. I think Fontes will be great. I hope Bobby only uses him for 4 games to preserve his red-shirt status.

I also agree that recruiting huge O-linemen who are too slow, and have poor footwork, and who can get not push on running plays, is not the formula for success. We need to stop focusing on having the biggest line in FCS football, as if that fact equals success, and start recruiting smaller, more nimble O-linemen. The Cats have figured it out, and their line can actually block for running plays.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Of course the stats that don't fit your narrative don't belong in the argument.
Yard's per attempt, CH.................................................7.09
Yards per attempt, KB..................................................6.84
Passing efficiency, CH...............................................140.9
Passing efficiency, KB................................................125.9
Rushing yards, CH........................................................79
Rushing yards, KB........................................................40
Touchdowns passing, CH.............................................9
Touchdowns passing, KB.............................................3

3 TDs in 140 passing attempts is abysmal, please explain. The better QB is the guy who gets the ball into the endzone!

Rushing TDs...... Humphrey..... 1...... Brown ....3

Humphrey turns the ball over 30% more often, leading to several more opponent's TDs, and stopping potential Griz drives for TDs. Another example of how stats which don't fit your narrative don't belong in the argument..... quoting you

Bottom line, you are comparing a 19-year old freshman who has started a few games, to a 24-year old sixth-year man who should have graduated two years ago and now be working in a bank somewhere. It is noted how you refuse to address my question about how proficient Humphrey was as a 19-year old BYU freshman, who was 5th on the BYU depth chart at that time.

What difference does it make how good Humphrey was as a 19-year old freshman? He's not being compared to a 19-year old freshman, he's being compared to a 21-year old junior. And there's only one person--YOU--who insisted even before the season that Brown was the better option, or have you already conveniently forgotten that?

 

[Griz1]

Of course the stats that don't fit your narrative don't belong in the argument.
Yard's per attempt, CH.................................................7.09
Yards per attempt, KB..................................................6.84
Passing efficiency, CH...............................................140.9
Passing efficiency, KB................................................125.9
Rushing yards, CH........................................................79
Rushing yards, KB........................................................40
Touchdowns passing, CH.............................................9
Touchdowns passing, KB.............................................3

3 TDs in 140 passing attempts is abysmal, please explain. The better QB is the guy who gets the ball into the endzone!

Rushing TDs...... Humphrey..... 1...... Brown ....3

Humphrey turns the ball over 30% more often, leading to several more opponent's TDs, and stopping potential Griz drives for TDs. Another example of how stats which don't fit your narrative don't belong in the argument..... quoting you

Bottom line, you are comparing a 19-year old freshman who has started a few games, to a 24-year old sixth-year man who should have graduated two years ago and now be working in a bank somewhere. It is noted how you refuse to address my question about how proficient Humphrey was as a 19-year old BYU freshman, who was 5th on the BYU depth chart at that time.

How can he answer your question as to how proficient Humphrey was as a 19-year old BYU freshman?Just for the record Humphrey never attended BYU. I don't know where you get your information. Humphrey attended Boise State as a freshman.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Of course the stats that don't fit your narrative don't belong in the argument.
Yard's per attempt, CH.................................................7.09
Yards per attempt, KB..................................................6.84
Passing efficiency, CH...............................................140.9
Passing efficiency, KB................................................125.9
Rushing yards, CH........................................................79
Rushing yards, KB........................................................40
Touchdowns passing, CH.............................................9
Touchdowns passing, KB.............................................3

3 TDs in 140 passing attempts is abysmal, please explain. The better QB is the guy who gets the ball into the endzone!

Rushing TDs...... Humphrey..... 1...... Brown ....3

Humphrey turns the ball over 30% more often, leading to several more opponent's TDs, and stopping potential Griz drives for TDs. Another example of how stats which don't fit your narrative don't belong in the argument..... quoting you

Bottom line, you are comparing a 19-year old freshman who has started a few games, to a 24-year old sixth-year man who should have graduated two years ago and now be working in a bank somewhere. It is noted how you refuse to address my question about how proficient Humphrey was as a 19-year old BYU freshman, who was 5th on the BYU depth chart at that time.

Sacks taken: Humphrey 7.....Brown....11 Brown gets sacked 35% more often, leading to several stalled drives and 3-outs, stopping potential Griz drives for TDs. Another example of how stats which don't fit your narrative don't make it into your argument.

 

[argh!]

Rushing TDs...... Humphrey..... 1...... Brown ....3

Humphrey turns the ball over 30% more often, leading to several more opponent's TDs, and stopping potential Griz drives for TDs. Another example of how stats which don't fit your narrative don't belong in the argument..... quoting you

Bottom line, you are comparing a 19-year old freshman who has started a few games, to a 24-year old sixth-year man who should have graduated two years ago and now be working in a bank somewhere. It is noted how you refuse to address my question about how proficient Humphrey was as a 19-year old BYU freshman, who was 5th on the BYU depth chart at that time.

Sacks taken: Humphrey 7.....Brown....11 Brown gets sacked 35% more often, leading to several stalled drives and 3-outs, stopping potential Griz drives for TDs. Another example of how stats which don't fit your narrative don't make it into your argument.

they both get sacked about 3% of the time, when you take into account snaps, so they are actually pretty even.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Sacks taken: Humphrey 7.....Brown....11 Brown gets sacked 35% more often, leading to several stalled drives and 3-outs, stopping potential Griz drives for TDs. Another example of how stats which don't fit your narrative don't make it into your argument.

they both get sacked about 3% of the time, when you take into account snaps, so they are actually pretty even.

sssssshhhhhhh......
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[AllWeatherFan]

Rushing TDs...... Humphrey..... 1...... Brown ....3

Humphrey turns the ball over 30% more often, leading to several more opponent's TDs, and stopping potential Griz drives for TDs. Another example of how stats which don't fit your narrative don't belong in the argument..... quoting you

Bottom line, you are comparing a 19-year old freshman who has started a few games, to a 24-year old sixth-year man who should have graduated two years ago and now be working in a bank somewhere. It is noted how you refuse to address my question about how proficient Humphrey was as a 19-year old BYU freshman, who was 5th on the BYU depth chart at that time.

How can he answer your question as to how proficient Humphrey was as a 19-year old BYU freshman?Just for the record Humphrey never attended BYU. I don't know where you get your information. Humphrey attended Boise State as a freshman.

Out of fairness to The Duck Hunter, the BYU reference was to Kessman. The standard by which all players who never played for the Griz are measured. Or something.

 

[hunt-ducks]

Sacks taken: Humphrey 7.....Brown....11 Brown gets sacked 35% more often, leading to several stalled drives and 3-outs, stopping potential Griz drives for TDs. Another example of how stats which don't fit your narrative don't make it into your argument.

they both get sacked about 3% of the time, when you take into account snaps, so they are actually pretty even.

Shhhhh. He is auditioning for Squad membership. He's on a slam-Brown roll. Don't deter him.

 

[hunt-ducks]

How can he answer your question as to how proficient Humphrey was as a 19-year old BYU freshman?Just for the record Humphrey never attended BYU. I don't know where you get your information. Humphrey attended Boise State as a freshman.

Out of fairness to The Duck Hunter, the BYU reference was to Kessman. The standard by which all players who never played for the Griz are measured. Or something.

My bad, I meant Boise State. But the point doesn't change.

 

[hunt-ducks]

Rushing TDs...... Humphrey..... 1...... Brown ....3

Humphrey turns the ball over 30% more often, leading to several more opponent's TDs, and stopping potential Griz drives for TDs. Another example of how stats which don't fit your narrative don't belong in the argument..... quoting you

Bottom line, you are comparing a 19-year old freshman who has started a few games, to a 24-year old sixth-year man who should have graduated two years ago and now be working in a bank somewhere. It is noted how you refuse to address my question about how proficient Humphrey was as a 19-year old BYU freshman, who was 5th on the BYU depth chart at that time.

How can he answer your question as to how proficient Humphrey was as a 19-year old BYU freshman?Just for the record Humphrey never attended BYU. I don't know where you get your information. Humphrey attended Boise State as a freshman.

So, I made a mistake. It was Boise State. Nothing changes, Cam was 5th string as a frosh, so he transferred to a JC. So, how can he state how proficient Cam was as a 19-year old frosh??? About the same way you can bloviate about how Brown has worse pocket-presence or a slow release, as a 24-year old QB five years from now....... :thumb:

 

[kemajic]

Of course the stats that don't fit your narrative don't belong in the argument.
Yard's per attempt, CH.................................................7.09
Yards per attempt, KB..................................................6.84
Passing efficiency, CH...............................................140.9
Passing efficiency, KB................................................125.9
Rushing yards, CH........................................................79
Rushing yards, KB........................................................40
Touchdowns passing, CH.............................................9
Touchdowns passing, KB.............................................3
Passing attempts per TD, CH.....................................12.7
Passing attempts per TD, KB.....................................46.7

3 TDs in 140 passing attempts is abysmal, please explain. The better QB is the guy who gets the ball into the endzone!

Rushing TDs...... Humphrey..... 1...... Brown ....3

Humphrey turns the ball over 30% more often, leading to several more opponent's TDs, and stopping potential Griz drives for TDs. Another example of how stats which don't fit your narrative don't belong in the argument..... quoting you

Bottom line, you are comparing a 19-year old freshman who has started a few games, to a 24-year old sixth-year man who should have graduated two years ago and now be working in a bank somewhere. It is noted how you refuse to address my question about how proficient Humphrey was as a 19-year old BYU freshman, who was 5th on the BYU depth chart at that time.

3 TD passes in 140 passing attempts, since you claim he is such a superior passer. Worthy of comment without deflection. Trumps all the other stats. CH's rushing TD you point to was the one that beat Washington.

We're comparing this year's QBs mostly because of your constant attacks on CH, which started even before the season began. To clean up your usual narrative-building hyperbole, Brown (3rd year in the program, 21 years old) to CH (4th year in the program, 23 years old). That's who we have now and that's all that is pertinent. A healthy CH is the best option this year. If not healthy, KB is our best option. I will support either and hope we get on a run and get the ball in the end zone. CH has shown he can do that, KB not so much yet.

 

[AZGrizFan]

How can he answer your question as to how proficient Humphrey was as a 19-year old BYU freshman?Just for the record Humphrey never attended BYU. I don't know where you get your information. Humphrey attended Boise State as a freshman.

So, I made a mistake. It was Boise State. Nothing changes, Cam was 5th string as a frosh, so he transferred to a JC. So, how can he state how proficient Cam was as a 19-year old frosh??? About the same way you can bloviate about how Brown has worse pocket-presence or a slow release, as a 24-year old QB five years from now....... :thumb:

What "string" do you think Brown would be at Boise? 6th? 7th? 8th?

 

[behappp]

i finished it this A.M. and I saw Akem catch a ball over the middle in the final couple of minutes for the last Griz first down.
For those who say he's disnterested just watch how he gets hammered and holds on to the ball.
He's not as demonstrative as some would like him to be but he loves his team and being a Griz.

 

[SaskGriz]

i finished it this A.M. and I saw Akem catch a ball over the middle in the final couple of minutes for the last Griz first down.
For those who say he's disnterested just watch how he gets hammered and holds on to the ball.
He's not as demonstrative as some would like him to be but he loves his team and being a Griz.

Thank you, the number of balding fat asses on here who seem to think they can judge a player's "body language" is remarkable. We had a star running back up here years ago who played with the Eskimo's when Warren Moon was the QB who was always the last one up from the pile "I'm paid to run fast not stand up quickly." Sammy is a stud, will continue to be a stud, and heaven help the db's who lose track of him for a second.