Just A Question

[Fahque]

You know, there is no mystery to me why we are now falling behind so many other programs. We have a bunch of dinosaurs coaching our team, running the same offense they coached in 1995, and lamely attempting to recruit kids in the changed recruiting environment of 2022. No wonder the Cats blow us away in recruiting now. Our AD and football coaches lack vision. I know for a fact that Weber, NDSU, SDSU, and NAU have a non-coach whose job includes watching high school games, and developing relationships with FBS coaching staffs. Probably many other FCS teams too. Bobcats??? And, every big time FBS team has at least 2-3 full time non-coach recruiting coordinators, who do much more than just administrative work.

As another poster provided, there are over 50 openings for recruiting coordinators in college football across the nation. The guy we have acting in this role is strictly an administrative guy. He is too young, has not played college football, and probably has a limited ability to evaluate high school talent when watching a game. Because of his young age, he would have trouble getting an audience with FBS coaches.

This will be my last post on this issue. We have our resident Mr. Potato Head spewing his typical garbage in every thread, which hijacks any productive discussion of this topic. Thanks to the posters in this thread who have provided good info on athletic budgeting and recruiting. But it tiring dealing with this asshat's posts all of the time.

In summary, the portal has changed everything regarding recruiting. The football programs stuck in the past and attempting to entice kids who entered the portal, to sign with them, will lose most of these recruiting battles to programs who work all year to cultivate strong relationships with key FBS coaches. Pre-portal coaches have perhaps the most influence to where a portal kid might sign, especially their position coach. The teams who actively development a relationship with these coaches will win the best portal recruits. We will get the leftovers. By the way, my opinion is supported by Tyler Dean, Director of Scouting for the Oregon Ducks, an acquaintance of mine. Carry on.

You didn't know only designated coaches could do recruiting. You don't know how UM recruits. You don't know much about the UM coaches or how or what they coach. Other than that,....

Just shut up already and go post in the basketball forum or something, there is no one on this site more dense than you are. Establishing relationships with other coaches from other programs and evaluating talent are a far cry from direct recruiting of a student athlete but you have latched onto those two things as your rallying cry to try to prove just how stupid you think changing anything regarding our recruitment strategy is. While there may be holes in his plan or a different plan altogether might be a better strategy, there is no denying that our recruiting severely lags behind other top-notch FCS programs, or our coaching staff just sucks that evaluating talent and doesn't put our most talented players on the field or in positions to win

 

[mthoopsfan]

You didn't know only designated coaches could do recruiting. You don't know how UM recruits. You don't know much about the UM coaches or how or what they coach. Other than that,....

Just shut up already and go post in the basketball forum or something, there is no one on this site more dense than you are. Establishing relationships with other coaches from other programs and evaluating talent are a far cry from direct recruiting of a student athlete but you have latched onto those two things as your rallying cry to try to prove just how stupid you think changing anything regarding our recruitment strategy is. While there may be holes in his plan or a different plan altogether might be a better strategy, there is no denying that our recruiting severely lags behind other top-notch FCS programs, or our coaching staff just sucks that evaluating talent and doesn't put our most talented players on the field or in positions to win

Again, FBS coaches aren't going to waste time with non-coach recruiting coordinators. The very experienced Griz coaching staff has huge contacts with FBS coaches. UM recruiting is very good. There is no doubt that most of what you said is wrong.

 

[PTGrizzly]

Just shut up already and go post in the basketball forum or something, there is no one on this site more dense than you are. Establishing relationships with other coaches from other programs and evaluating talent are a far cry from direct recruiting of a student athlete but you have latched onto those two things as your rallying cry to try to prove just how stupid you think changing anything regarding our recruitment strategy is. While there may be holes in his plan or a different plan altogether might be a better strategy, there is no denying that our recruiting severely lags behind other top-notch FCS programs, or our coaching staff just sucks that evaluating talent and doesn't put our most talented players on the field or in positions to win

Again, FBS coaches aren't going to waste time with non-coach recruiting coordinators. The very experienced Griz coaching staff has huge contacts with FBS coaches. UM recruiting is very good. There is no doubt that most of what you said is wrong.

If the recruiting is so good, why did MSU and NDSU dominate our defense?

If the recruiting is so good, why haven’t they recruited and developed a single HS QB into a starter or capable backup in 5 years?

You want us to believe the coaching staff is as good as it gets, and the development is excellent, and the recruiting is very good, but the end results just haven’t shown it. No conference titles. No extended playoff runs.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Again, FBS coaches aren't going to waste time with non-coach recruiting coordinators. The very experienced Griz coaching staff has huge contacts with FBS coaches. UM recruiting is very good. There is no doubt that most of what you said is wrong.

If the recruiting is so good, why did MSU and NDSU dominate our defense?

If the recruiting is so good, why haven’t they recruited and developed a single HS QB into a starter or capable backup in 5 years?

You want us to believe the coaching staff is as good as it gets, and the development is excellent, and the recruiting is very good, but the end results just haven’t shown it. No conference titles. No extended playoff runs.

NDSU didn't roll until after our qb went down , we had no O, and we threw 2 picks. And NDSU is very good and very good at home. And we made some key mistakes. Cats have very good O, and our D made lots of mistakes and didn't play well. And maybe the scheme was off some too.

The transfers have been very good and better. Many schools use transfers.Recruiting is not just high school. Payoffs 3 years in row. Which conf school has more play wins other than Cats? Would you rather be SS?

No. 1 qb hurt for key games last 2 years. backups not as good. Altered the seasons.

 

[Fahque]

Just shut up already and go post in the basketball forum or something, there is no one on this site more dense than you are. Establishing relationships with other coaches from other programs and evaluating talent are a far cry from direct recruiting of a student athlete but you have latched onto those two things as your rallying cry to try to prove just how stupid you think changing anything regarding our recruitment strategy is. While there may be holes in his plan or a different plan altogether might be a better strategy, there is no denying that our recruiting severely lags behind other top-notch FCS programs, or our coaching staff just sucks that evaluating talent and doesn't put our most talented players on the field or in positions to win

Again, FBS coaches aren't going to waste time with non-coach recruiting coordinators. The very experienced Griz coaching staff has huge contacts with FBS coaches. UM recruiting is very good. There is no doubt that most of what you said is wrong.

Like I said, fucking dense

 

[PTGrizzly]

If the recruiting is so good, why did MSU and NDSU dominate our defense?

If the recruiting is so good, why haven’t they recruited and developed a single HS QB into a starter or capable backup in 5 years?

You want us to believe the coaching staff is as good as it gets, and the development is excellent, and the recruiting is very good, but the end results just haven’t shown it. No conference titles. No extended playoff runs.

NDSU didn't roll until after our qb went down , we had no O, and we threw 2 picks. And NDSU is very good and very good at home. And we made some key mistakes. Cats have very good O, and our D made lots of mistakes and didn't play well. And maybe the scheme was off some too.

The transfers have been very good and better. Many schools use transfers.Recruiting is not just high school. Payoffs 3 years in row. Which conf school has more play wins other than Cats? Would you rather be SS?

No. 1 qb hurt for key games last 2 years. backups not as good. Altered the seasons.

If I remember right, NDSU ran for around 150 yards at halftime. That’s not stellar. Losing Johnson didn’t cause them to run for 450 yards on us. Bad scheme and not good enough talent did. That’s on the coaches.

MSU ran all over and around us. Again, bad scheme, not good enough talent. That’s on the coaches. If you want to argue the talent is similar, then all you’re saying is the coaching sucked. You can’t have all of it be good and end up with that result.

I’m not arguing against transfers, so I don’t know what you’re talking about there.

I’m asking you why in 5 years they haven’t been able to get a single HS QB that’s capable of starting. That’s not normal. It’s the most important position, and clearly, depth is needed there.

Would I rather be SS as a program? Of course not. Would I rather have their success as of late? Of course! And yes, UM and SS both won one playoff game this year. Which team went further in the playoffs? That’s what matters.

 

[mthoopsfan]

NDSU didn't roll until after our qb went down , we had no O, and we threw 2 picks. And NDSU is very good and very good at home. And we made some key mistakes. Cats have very good O, and our D made lots of mistakes and didn't play well. And maybe the scheme was off some too.

The transfers have been very good and better. Many schools use transfers.Recruiting is not just high school. Payoffs 3 years in row. Which conf school has more play wins other than Cats? Would you rather be SS?

No. 1 qb hurt for key games last 2 years. backups not as good. Altered the seasons.

If I remember right, NDSU ran for around 150 yards at halftime. That’s not stellar. Losing Johnson didn’t cause them to run for 450 yards on us. Bad scheme and not good enough talent did. That’s on the coaches.

MSU ran all over and around us. Again, bad scheme, not good enough talent. That’s on the coaches. If you want to argue the talent is similar, then all you’re saying is the coaching sucked. You can’t have all of it be good and end up with that result.

I’m not arguing against transfers, so I don’t know what you’re talking about there.

I’m asking you why in 5 years they haven’t been able to get a single HS QB that’s capable of starting. That’s not normal. It’s the most important position, and clearly, depth is needed there.

Would I rather be SS as a program? Of course not. Would I rather have their success as of late? Of course! And yes, UM and SS both won one playoff game this year. Which team went further in the playoffs? That’s what matters.

It’s not just coaching and talent. It’s also execution by players. Both teams.

 

[CatGrad-UMGradStu]

Why aren't you in Gainesville? Billy needs almost a complete reset.

My time is done....put in too many years.....

Ken Wilburn was 81 years old when he was helping Billy's dad in Chatsworth with the defense. The only two years Murray County made the Elite 8 and had back to back ten win seasons. As I said, Billy really does need a lot of kids next year or Saban is going to have to take him back again...

*Edit: Here's a few guys in some of these articles still working at it. A.J. Green's high school coached kept at it into his 90s.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Most FBS staffs have multiple people doing this. Alabama has 3 directors of recruiting, and probably several analysts whose job is strictly that. The prohibitive factor for us is cost, AFAIK.

Yeah was going to say. The major programs have entire 50 people departments doing just this lol

 

[CatGrad-UMGradStu]

Here's a thought. Instead of relying upon state funds, turn the athletic department over to the university foundations and let them run it. You know, like UM and MSU does with athletic facilities construction projects.

Check out what you have to give to this school in order to get a season ticket for your tailgate area, go to meetings and sit and watch a game.

https://thegeorgiabulldogclub.com/

 

[RoseyMustGo]

Most FBS staffs have multiple people doing this. Alabama has 3 directors of recruiting, and probably several analysts whose job is strictly that. The prohibitive factor for us is cost, AFAIK.

Yeah was going to say. The major programs have entire 50 people departments doing just this lol

Oregon has 5 people dedicated to scouting and recruiting. To the know-it-all poster saying that only the coaches do recruiting, I hope he eats crow looking at this site. Of course, we all know how he will spin it as usual. These 5 help scout and identify kids for the Oregon coaches, then the coaches become involved in the actual recruiting. But one of our problems is in identifying the right kids to recruit. No coach has the time to do that without assistance, and we will miss lots of great kids we could be getting. Thus, we didn't recruit Vernon Adams or Barierre. And I don't believe for a minute that academics were the reason. Five other Big Sky schools went after Barierre, I know for a fact. We have trouble recruiting QBs, but didn't even offer this kid??? Did we even know about him? We recruit CA hard. Check out this section from the Oregon football site:

https://goducks.com/sports/football/coaches

Addendum: While the young guy we elevated to the recruiting coordinator position might be good at administrating recruiting, but does not have the right background to fill the job we should be considering, which involves scouting and relationship building with coaches

 

[indiancoyote]

If the recruiting is so good, why did MSU and NDSU dominate our defense?

If the recruiting is so good, why haven’t they recruited and developed a single HS QB into a starter or capable backup in 5 years?

You want us to believe the coaching staff is as good as it gets, and the development is excellent, and the recruiting is very good, but the end results just haven’t shown it. No conference titles. No extended playoff runs.

NDSU didn't roll until after our qb went down , we had no O, and we threw 2 picks. And NDSU is very good and very good at home. And we made some key mistakes. Cats have very good O, and our D made lots of mistakes and didn't play well. And maybe the scheme was off some too.

The transfers have been very good and better. Many schools use transfers.Recruiting is not just high school. Payoffs 3 years in row. Which conf school has more play wins other than Cats? Would you rather be SS?

No. 1 qb hurt for key games last 2 years. backups not as good. Altered the seasons.

Coaches failed to evaluate or develop any backup qbs. You're right..they such at that type of thing.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Yeah was going to say. The major programs have entire 50 people departments doing just this lol

Oregon has 5 people dedicated to scouting and recruiting. To the know-it-all poster saying that only the coaches do recruiting, I hope he eats crow looking at this site. Of course, we all know how he will spin it as usual. These 5 help scout and identify kids for the Oregon coaches, then the coaches become involved in the actual recruiting. But one of our problems is in identifying the right kids to recruit. No coach has the time to do that without assistance, and we will miss lots of great kids we could be getting. Thus, we didn't recruit Vernon Adams or Barierre. And I don't believe for a minute that academics were the reason. Five other Big Sky schools went after Barierre, I know for a fact. We have trouble recruiting QBs, but didn't even offer this kid??? Did we even know about him? We recruit CA hard. Check out this section from the Oregon football site:

https://goducks.com/sports/football/coaches

Addendum: While the young guy we elevated to the recruiting coordinator position might be good at administrating recruiting, but does not have the right background to fill the job we should be considering, which involves scouting and relationship building with coaches

Me thinks that maybe….just maybe. Kids with talent don’t want to play for Rosey and because of that we simply rely on drop down kids that get a chance to resurrect their career at a really fun program stadium and fan base to play for.

 

[GrizRealist]

Yeah was going to say. The major programs have entire 50 people departments doing just this lol

Oregon has 5 people dedicated to scouting and recruiting. To the know-it-all poster saying that only the coaches do recruiting, I hope he eats crow looking at this site. Of course, we all know how he will spin it as usual. These 5 help scout and identify kids for the Oregon coaches, then the coaches become involved in the actual recruiting. But one of our problems is in identifying the right kids to recruit. No coach has the time to do that without assistance, and we will miss lots of great kids we could be getting. Thus, we didn't recruit Vernon Adams or Barierre. And I don't believe for a minute that academics were the reason. Five other Big Sky schools went after Barierre, I know for a fact. We have trouble recruiting QBs, but didn't even offer this kid??? Did we even know about him? We recruit CA hard. Check out this section from the Oregon football site:

https://goducks.com/sports/football/coaches

Addendum: While the young guy we elevated to the recruiting coordinator position might be good at administrating recruiting, but does not have the right background to fill the job we should be considering, which involves scouting and relationship building with coaches

Just to add to this, which is a great example of a team that has fully embraced the landscape of todays recruiting, there is entirely separate staff from the coaches dedicated to several different facets of the football operation as a whole. Not only do they have multiple people on staff solely dedicated to recruiting both high school and the portal, they also have a large football specific support staff for social media, graphic design, video production, content management, nutrition, etc, etc, etc. They also have 4 strength coaches and a speed/performance coach.

Now, I get that UM doesn't have the budget for an operation like this. Frankly, most of the FBS don't either, but its a good example of how different things are today versus 20 years ago. It's critical to keep up with the current landscape, and hire support staff that can pick up the slack when coaches don't have the time or energy to add additional duties to their already busy schedule.

There seems to be a contingent of people who believe the way things were done 30, 20 or even ten years ago is viable, and it just isn't. Not if you want to compete for national titles anyway.

Hauck has not particularly embraced a lot of change, and frankly has been pretty vocal about disliking the way things are now. If he wants to win, he better learn to adapt.

 

[AZGrizFan]

There seems to be a contingent of people who believe the way things were done 30, 20 or even ten years ago is viable, and it just isn't. Not if you want to compete for national titles anyway.

Hauck has not particularly embraced a lot of change, and frankly has been pretty vocal about disliking the way things are now. If he wants to win, he better learn to adapt.

Great post. Hauck is in the continent of people who thing 2003 football works just fine.

 

[GrizRealist]

There seems to be a contingent of people who believe the way things were done 30, 20 or even ten years ago is viable, and it just isn't. Not if you want to compete for national titles anyway.

Hauck has not particularly embraced a lot of change, and frankly has been pretty vocal about disliking the way things are now. If he wants to win, he better learn to adapt.

Great post. Hauck is in the continent of people who thing 2003 football works just fine.

The funny thing is, there is so much advantage to the new age of college football. You can overhaul rosters in a single year now, as apposed it taking probably 2 to 3 recruiting cycles minimum in the past. All you have to do is look at Texas. Sark comes in and keeps the majority of the existing roster in tact so he can get an idea of the personnel that best fits what he wanted to do. Then following that first full season he processed 30% of the roster and brought in kids via the portal to completely change the makeup of his team.

Hauck needs to embrace what has changed and use every advantage he can to put the best team on the field, because that's what his competition is or will soon be doing.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Great post. Hauck is in the continent of people who thing 2003 football works just fine.

The funny thing is, there is so much advantage to the new age of college football. You can overhaul rosters in a single year now, as apposed it taking probably 2 to 3 recruiting cycles minimum in the past. All you have to do is look at Texas. Sark comes in and keeps the majority of the existing roster in tact so he can get an idea of the personnel that best fits what he wanted to do. Then following that first full season he processed 30% of the roster and brought in kids via the portal to completely change the makeup of his team.

Hauck needs to embrace what has changed and use every advantage he can to put the best team on the field, because that's what his competition is or will soon be doing.

Allegedly it’s what he’s doing with the whole “we’re recruiting for NEXT year not 3-4 years down the road” spiel, but I don’t really buy it…or at least, he’s not very good at it.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Thus, we didn't recruit Vernon Adams or Barierre. And I don't believe for a minute that academics were the reason. Five other Big Sky schools went after Barierre, I know for a fact. We have trouble recruiting QBs, but didn't even offer this kid??? Did we even know about him? We recruit CA hard.

Adams was about academics, I know that for a fact. Stitt, the offensive genius, was the one that missed on Barierre.

 

[uofmman1122]

Thus, we didn't recruit Vernon Adams or Barierre. And I don't believe for a minute that academics were the reason. Five other Big Sky schools went after Barierre, I know for a fact. We have trouble recruiting QBs, but didn't even offer this kid??? Did we even know about him? We recruit CA hard.

Adams was about academics, I know that for a fact. Stitt, the offensive genius, was the one that missed on Barierre.

Stitt wasn't after anyone but Gresch Jensen that year, who he had known for a while. He wanted him to be his long-term QB here.