Just A Question

[Triwest]

Your idea is dumb. So are you.

mthoopsfan is like Republicans...lots of losing because of what comes out of their mouths.

Each coach on the staff has an area of the country where they make contacts and are responsible for recruiting those areas. They do not just recruit for the position they coach. The entire staff meets and of course discusses what needs the teams has and what scholarship money is available. Justin Green coordinates much of the trips and also stays in contact with players identified as do the other coaches who have made contact with the coaches and players. Sabin does much the same when I worked at Alabama. Relationships are developed and new ones made constantly. It is not just random.

 

[RoseyMustGo]

mthoopsfan is like Republicans...lots of losing because of what comes out of their mouths.

Each coach on the staff has an area of the country where they make contacts and are responsible for recruiting those areas. They do not just recruit for the position they coach. The entire staff meets and of course discusses what needs the teams has and what scholarship money is available. Justin Green coordinates much of the trips and also stays in contact with players identified as do the other coaches who have made contact with the coaches and players. Sabin does much the same when I worked at Alabama. Relationships are developed and new ones made constantly. It is not just random.

Look, I totally understand how TRADITIONAL recruiting is done, and has been done for decades. I don't need a lesson on it. But, the portal and NIL has changed everything. Teams who think out-of-the-box and develop ways to gain an advantage will win in signing coveted players.

I advocate having an FTE, who is not a coach, but who has been a college football player, is young, has great people skills, and the ability to develop strong interpersonal relations with HEAD FBS COACHES AND ASSISTANT COACHES. I am not talking about interacting with FBS players, which would violate NCAA rules, rather in building the type of personal relationships with 8-10 FBS school coaching staffs, who could be crucial to steering a player entering the portal to Montana. It's 100% about gaining a recruiting advantage in signing portal players. Most teams (including Montana I assume), just access the list of players entering the portal, then try to recruit him, along with all of the other teams trying to recruit him. But these kids have strong relationships with their position coaches. Therefore, any help we can get from their current coaches to deliver him to us, will give us a huge recruiting advantage.

Again, those who attempt to play the recruiting game the same way it has been played in the past will lose! Those will figure out ways to gain the advantage will win. Pretty simple concept.

 

[mthoopsfan]

On the side question, who says UM’s recruiting budget isn’t big enough? Have the coaches ever said that?

 

[mthoopsfan]

Each coach on the staff has an area of the country where they make contacts and are responsible for recruiting those areas. They do not just recruit for the position they coach. The entire staff meets and of course discusses what needs the teams has and what scholarship money is available. Justin Green coordinates much of the trips and also stays in contact with players identified as do the other coaches who have made contact with the coaches and players. Sabin does much the same when I worked at Alabama. Relationships are developed and new ones made constantly. It is not just random.

Look, I totally understand how TRADITIONAL recruiting is done, and has been done for decades. I don't need a lesson on it. But, the portal and NIL has changed everything. Teams who think out-of-the-box and develop ways to gain an advantage will win in signing coveted players.

I advocate having an FTE, who is not a coach, but who has been a college football player, is young, has great people skills, and the ability to develop strong interpersonal relations with HEAD FBS COACHES AND ASSISTANT COACHES. I am not talking about interacting with FBS players, which would violate NCAA rules, rather in building the type of personal relationships with 8-10 FBS school coaching staffs, who could be crucial to steering a player entering the portal to Montana. It's 100% about gaining a recruiting advantage in signing portal players. Most teams (including Montana I assume), just access the list of players entering the portal, then try to recruit him, along with all of the other teams trying to recruit him. But these kids have strong relationships with their position coaches. Therefore, any help we can get from their current coaches to deliver him to us, will give us a huge recruiting advantage.

Again, those who attempt to play the recruiting game the same way it has been played in the past will lose! Those will figure out ways to gain the advantage will win. Pretty simple concept.

FBS coaches don’t want to hang out and waste time with some young non-coach from Montana. Contrary to what you said, you post like you know little or nothing about recruiting or coaching.

 

[CatGrad-UMGradStu]

mthoopsfan is like Republicans...lots of losing because of what comes out of their mouths.

Each coach on the staff has an area of the country where they make contacts and are responsible for recruiting those areas. They do not just recruit for the position they coach. The entire staff meets and of course discusses what needs the teams has and what scholarship money is available. Justin Green coordinates much of the trips and also stays in contact with players identified as do the other coaches who have made contact with the coaches and players. Sabin does much the same when I worked at Alabama. Relationships are developed and new ones made constantly. It is not just random.

Why aren't you in Gainesville? Billy needs almost a complete reset.

 

[Cledus]

Stearns has not been the commissioner of Higher Education since 2010 or 2011. The funding formula needs to be rewritten. I suggest, again, governmental accounting. Just a suggestion. Also, Haslam's budget is contingent upon what the University System (the three schools being UM, Tech and Western) of the Montana University System receives from the state. The Montana STATE schools, MSU, Northern and Eastern, have more students; therefore, they receive more money. Very easy to comprehend.

Did you know the Billings Public schools get more state money than Wibaux? Why do you suppose that would be?

I don't believe that's true. It used to be.

Back when Cruzado first arrived at MSU, the regents voted to divert more money UM's way because UM had more students, including more in-state students. Cruzado played the hand she was dealt and increased enrollment. The regents decided UM needed more money because MSU had a large number of state students and was so far ahead of UM it was deemed unfair. Cruzado was pretty pissed and called them out on this.

It was in all the papers, so I'm not going to google it for you. To the best of my knowledge, UM still gets more state funding per student.

 

[Triwest]

Each coach on the staff has an area of the country where they make contacts and are responsible for recruiting those areas. They do not just recruit for the position they coach. The entire staff meets and of course discusses what needs the teams has and what scholarship money is available. Justin Green coordinates much of the trips and also stays in contact with players identified as do the other coaches who have made contact with the coaches and players. Sabin does much the same when I worked at Alabama. Relationships are developed and new ones made constantly. It is not just random.

Why aren't you in Gainesville? Billy needs almost a complete reset.

My time is done....put in too many years.....

 

[CatGrad-UMGradStu]

Stearns has not been the commissioner of Higher Education since 2010 or 2011. The funding formula needs to be rewritten. I suggest, again, governmental accounting. Just a suggestion. Also, Haslam's budget is contingent upon what the University System (the three schools being UM, Tech and Western) of the Montana University System receives from the state. The Montana STATE schools, MSU, Northern and Eastern, have more students; therefore, they receive more money. Very easy to comprehend.

Did you know the Billings Public schools get more state money than Wibaux? Why do you suppose that would be?

I don't believe that's true. It used to be.

Back when Cruzado first arrived at MSU, the regents voted to divert more money UM's way because UM had more students, including more in-state students. Cruzado played the hand she was dealt and increased enrollment. The regents decided UM needed more money because MSU had a large number of state students and was so far ahead of UM it was deemed unfair. Cruzado was pretty pissed and called them out on this.

It was in all the papers, so I'm not going to google it for you. To the best of my knowledge, UM still gets more state funding per student.

Not going to Google it either as the authors of the newspaper articles were, well, journalists. The closest they came to an an accounting class would have been wandering through Reid Hall back in the day.

The primary issue was the damn retention portion of the formula. And it does need tweaked. Where Cruzado's staff is kicking Bodnar's ass is in recruitment but that's an entirely different aspect of public education funding. Think of the University of Washington about ten years ago when 96 percent of their freshman class was nonresident. Their administration told their Regents "You told us to start running it like a business. We are and you're complaining?"

*Edit: Lest anyone forget, right in the middle of the UM campus is a building with large signage: Montana State University School of Nursing. Again, accounting and you know damn good and well governmental accounting is nothing but a shell game.

 

[Grizfan-24]

Official recruiting for prospective athletes has to be done by a member of the football coaching staff. There can be secondary contacts made by support staff, but they can't talk anything about recruiting. Meant to level the field. Schools have found ways to massage those rules over the years, but the NCAA hammers teams pretty hard when it comes to acts as an agent of the program.

That being said, don't underplay Keaton's role. Montana has been super slow in increasing its interactions with prospective players and high school programs. You can have daily interactions with players to an extent when those conversations are informal as the NCAA doesn't regulate social media and texts as regularly (used to be unlimited) and that is where Montana hadn't been as good in recent years. Have had high school players receive several messages a week (twitter, instagram, texts) that wish them good luck in the upcoming week games, letters from the staff, digital swag, etc from programs big and small. Montana hadn't been good at it, used to be left almost to GA's and coaching staff and used a model that wasn't reflective of where we are at w/ Social Media in 2022.

As for the recruiting budget, that isn't going to change much. We can dump a crap ton into it, but it is still going to be limited because of time. Coaches are really limited by the expense of travel out of Missoula and the time it takes to get places. One of the reason that the foot print is what it is for UM athletics is that it mirrors in some cases where UM naturally travels for out of town games. Coaches don't get to see a lot of in season game action, unless it is local, and they are limited to the number of times they can see players, interact with them pre or post game. Those contacts are severely restricted. There is a reason why a lot of the recruiting hours on the road are done during February to May, and amplified by those interactions at Junior Day, Camps, etc when they can get kids to come to Missoula on their own dime.

The answer is to lean in what they hired Keaton to do if you want to increase foot print, but the recruiting wins still come from guys like Justin Green developing relationships and getting kids like Jaylen Hall and Nick Williams.

 

[CatGrad-UMGradStu]

Official recruiting for prospective athletes has to be done by a member of the football coaching staff. There can be secondary contacts made by support staff, but they can't talk anything about recruiting. Meant to level the field. Schools have found ways to massage those rules over the years, but the NCAA hammers teams pretty hard when it comes to acts as an agent of the program.

That being said, don't underplay Keaton's role. Montana has been super slow in increasing its interactions with prospective players and high school programs. You can have daily interactions with players to an extent when those conversations are informal as the NCAA doesn't regulate social media and texts as regularly (used to be unlimited) and that is where Montana hadn't been as good in recent years. Have had high school players receive several messages a week (twitter, instagram, texts) that wish them good luck in the upcoming week games, letters from the staff, digital swag, etc from programs big and small. Montana hadn't been good at it, used to be left almost to GA's and coaching staff and used a model that wasn't reflective of where we are at w/ Social Media in 2022.

As for the recruiting budget, that isn't going to change much. We can dump a crap ton into it, but it is still going to be limited because of time. Coaches are really limited by the expense of travel out of Missoula and the time it takes to get places. One of the reason that the foot print is what it is for UM athletics is that it mirrors in some cases where UM naturally travels for out of town games. Coaches don't get to see a lot of in season game action, unless it is local, and they are limited to the number of times they can see players, interact with them pre or post game. Those contacts are severely restricted. There is a reason why a lot of the recruiting hours on the road are done during February to May, and amplified by those interactions at Junior Day, Camps, etc when they can get kids to come to Missoula on their own dime.

The answer is to lean in what they hired Keaton to do if you want to increase foot print, but the recruiting wins still come from guys like Justin Green developing relationships and getting kids like Jaylen Hall and Nick Williams.

Experience is the best lesson learned. Coach Hauck learned the most from one individual: Rick Neuheisel. Do you think he's ever going down that road again? Policy, rules and regulations will be adhered to the rest of Coach Hauck's career.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Stearns has not been the commissioner of Higher Education since 2010 or 2011. The funding formula needs to be rewritten. I suggest, again, governmental accounting. Just a suggestion. Also, Haslam's budget is contingent upon what the University System (the three schools being UM, Tech and Western) of the Montana University System receives from the state. The Montana STATE schools, MSU, Northern and Eastern, have more students; therefore, they receive more money. Very easy to comprehend.

Did you know the Billings Public schools get more state money than Wibaux? Why do you suppose that would be?

I don't believe that's true. It used to be.

Back when Cruzado first arrived at MSU, the regents voted to divert more money UM's way because UM had more students, including more in-state students. Cruzado played the hand she was dealt and increased enrollment. The regents decided UM needed more money because MSU had a large number of state students and was so far ahead of UM it was deemed unfair. Cruzado was pretty pissed and called them out on this.

It was in all the papers, so I'm not going to google it for you. To the best of my knowledge, UM still gets more state funding per student.

When Cruz was complaining, UM was being allocated money to help keep up aging facilities too. It's in the papers too. Cruz wanted it based primarily on per capita, as it had been for a decade or two in the past.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Official recruiting for prospective athletes has to be done by a member of the football coaching staff. There can be secondary contacts made by support staff, but they can't talk anything about recruiting. Meant to level the field. Schools have found ways to massage those rules over the years, but the NCAA hammers teams pretty hard when it comes to acts as an agent of the program.

That being said, don't underplay Keaton's role. Montana has been super slow in increasing its interactions with prospective players and high school programs. You can have daily interactions with players to an extent when those conversations are informal as the NCAA doesn't regulate social media and texts as regularly (used to be unlimited) and that is where Montana hadn't been as good in recent years. Have had high school players receive several messages a week (twitter, instagram, texts) that wish them good luck in the upcoming week games, letters from the staff, digital swag, etc from programs big and small. Montana hadn't been good at it, used to be left almost to GA's and coaching staff and used a model that wasn't reflective of where we are at w/ Social Media in 2022.

As for the recruiting budget, that isn't going to change much. We can dump a crap ton into it, but it is still going to be limited because of time. Coaches are really limited by the expense of travel out of Missoula and the time it takes to get places. One of the reason that the foot print is what it is for UM athletics is that it mirrors in some cases where UM naturally travels for out of town games. Coaches don't get to see a lot of in season game action, unless it is local, and they are limited to the number of times they can see players, interact with them pre or post game. Those contacts are severely restricted. There is a reason why a lot of the recruiting hours on the road are done during February to May, and amplified by those interactions at Junior Day, Camps, etc when they can get kids to come to Missoula on their own dime.

The answer is to lean in what they hired Keaton to do if you want to increase foot print, but the recruiting wins still come from guys like Justin Green developing relationships and getting kids like Jaylen Hall and Nick Williams.

Roseymustgo, are you listening?

 

[Fahque]

Official recruiting for prospective athletes has to be done by a member of the football coaching staff. There can be secondary contacts made by support staff, but they can't talk anything about recruiting. Meant to level the field. Schools have found ways to massage those rules over the years, but the NCAA hammers teams pretty hard when it comes to acts as an agent of the program.

That being said, don't underplay Keaton's role. Montana has been super slow in increasing its interactions with prospective players and high school programs. You can have daily interactions with players to an extent when those conversations are informal as the NCAA doesn't regulate social media and texts as regularly (used to be unlimited) and that is where Montana hadn't been as good in recent years. Have had high school players receive several messages a week (twitter, instagram, texts) that wish them good luck in the upcoming week games, letters from the staff, digital swag, etc from programs big and small. Montana hadn't been good at it, used to be left almost to GA's and coaching staff and used a model that wasn't reflective of where we are at w/ Social Media in 2022.

As for the recruiting budget, that isn't going to change much. We can dump a crap ton into it, but it is still going to be limited because of time. Coaches are really limited by the expense of travel out of Missoula and the time it takes to get places. One of the reason that the foot print is what it is for UM athletics is that it mirrors in some cases where UM naturally travels for out of town games. Coaches don't get to see a lot of in season game action, unless it is local, and they are limited to the number of times they can see players, interact with them pre or post game. Those contacts are severely restricted. There is a reason why a lot of the recruiting hours on the road are done during February to May, and amplified by those interactions at Junior Day, Camps, etc when they can get kids to come to Missoula on their own dime.

The answer is to lean in what they hired Keaton to do if you want to increase foot print, but the recruiting wins still come from guys like Justin Green developing relationships and getting kids like Jaylen Hall and Nick Williams.

Roseymustgo, are you listening?

You are an insufferable jackass… I appreciate Grizfan-24's post but even he says there is room for improvement in some areas so maybe instead of telling people they are stupid for coming up with new ideas and being stuck in your old ways, maybe try to guide the discussion with what can be done to make things better with recruiting

 

[mthoopsfan]

Roseymustgo, are you listening?

You are an insufferable jackass… I appreciate Grizfan-24's post but even he says there is room for improvement in some areas so maybe instead of telling people they are stupid for coming up with new ideas and being stuck in your old ways, maybe try to guide the discussion with what can be done to make things better with recruiting

How is it being as asshole to call someone's attention to a good post? I don't have patience for dumbasses who are dicks to me. His main point is just plain stupid. I said nothing until about his fourth time making it. You two jokers add little or nothing and just waste people's time, in my view. Learn something about the game and program.

 

[RoseyMustGo]

You know, there is no mystery to me why we are now falling behind so many other programs. We have a bunch of dinosaurs coaching our team, running the same offense they coached in 1995, and lamely attempting to recruit kids in the changed recruiting environment of 2022. No wonder the Cats blow us away in recruiting now. Our AD and football coaches lack vision. I know for a fact that Weber, NDSU, SDSU, and NAU have a non-coach whose job includes watching high school games, and developing relationships with FBS coaching staffs. Probably many other FCS teams too. Bobcats??? And, every big time FBS team has at least 2-3 full time non-coach recruiting coordinators, who do much more than just administrative work.

As another poster provided, there are over 50 openings for recruiting coordinators in college football across the nation. The guy we have acting in this role is strictly an administrative guy. He is too young, has not played college football, and probably has a limited ability to evaluate high school talent when watching a game. Because of his young age, he would have trouble getting an audience with FBS coaches.

This will be my last post on this issue. We have our resident Mr. Potato Head spewing his typical garbage in every thread, which hijacks any productive discussion of this topic. Thanks to the posters in this thread who have provided good info on athletic budgeting and recruiting. But it tiring dealing with this asshat's posts all of the time.

In summary, the portal has changed everything regarding recruiting. The football programs stuck in the past and attempting to entice kids who entered the portal, to sign with them, will lose most of these recruiting battles to programs who work all year to cultivate strong relationships with key FBS coaches. Pre-portal coaches have perhaps the most influence to where a portal kid might sign, especially their position coach. The teams who actively development a relationship with these coaches will win the best portal recruits. We will get the leftovers. By the way, my opinion is supported by Tyler Dean, Director of Scouting for the Oregon Ducks, an acquaintance of mine. Carry on.

 

[indiancoyote]

You know, there is no mystery to me why we are now falling behind so many other programs. We have a bunch of dinosaurs coaching our team, running the same offense they coached in 1995, and lamely attempting to recruit kids in the changed recruiting environment of 2022. No wonder the Cats blow us away in recruiting now. Our AD and football coaches lack vision. I know for a fact that Weber, NDSU, SDSU, and NAU have a non-coach whose job includes watching high school games, and developing relationships with FBS coaching staffs. Probably many other FCS teams too. Bobcats??? And, every big time FBS team has at least 2-3 full time non-coach recruiting coordinators, who do much more than just administrative work.

As another poster provided, there are over 50 openings for recruiting coordinators in college football across the nation. The guy we have acting in this role is strictly an administrative guy. He is too young, has not played college football, and probably has a limited ability to evaluate high school talent when watching a game. Because of his young age, he would have trouble getting an audience with FBS coaches.

This will be my last post on this issue. We have our resident Mr. Potato Head spewing his typical garbage in every thread, which hijacks any productive discussion of this topic. Thanks to the posters in this thread who have provided good info on athletic budgeting and recruiting. But it tiring dealing with this asshat's posts all of the time.

In summary, the portal has changed everything regarding recruiting. The football programs stuck in the past and attempting to entice kids who entered the portal, to sign with them, will lose most of these recruiting battles to programs who work all year to cultivate strong relationships with key FBS coaches. Pre-portal coaches have perhaps the most influence to where a portal kid might sign, especially their position coach. The teams who actively development a relationship with these coaches will win the best portal recruits. We will get the leftovers. By the way, my opinion is supported by Tyler Dean, Director of Scouting for the Oregon Ducks, an acquaintance of mine. Carry on.

My only correction to your post is that we are not running an offense that resembles what we ran 1995. That offense won the national title.

 

[indiancoyote]

You know, there is no mystery to me why we are now falling behind so many other programs. We have a bunch of dinosaurs coaching our team, running the same offense they coached in 1995, and lamely attempting to recruit kids in the changed recruiting environment of 2022. No wonder the Cats blow us away in recruiting now. Our AD and football coaches lack vision. I know for a fact that Weber, NDSU, SDSU, and NAU have a non-coach whose job includes watching high school games, and developing relationships with FBS coaching staffs. Probably many other FCS teams too. Bobcats??? And, every big time FBS team has at least 2-3 full time non-coach recruiting coordinators, who do much more than just administrative work.

As another poster provided, there are over 50 openings for recruiting coordinators in college football across the nation. The guy we have acting in this role is strictly an administrative guy. He is too young, has not played college football, and probably has a limited ability to evaluate high school talent when watching a game. Because of his young age, he would have trouble getting an audience with FBS coaches.

This will be my last post on this issue. We have our resident Mr. Potato Head spewing his typical garbage in every thread, which hijacks any productive discussion of this topic. Thanks to the posters in this thread who have provided good info on athletic budgeting and recruiting. But it tiring dealing with this asshat's posts all of the time.

In summary, the portal has changed everything regarding recruiting. The football programs stuck in the past and attempting to entice kids who entered the portal, to sign with them, will lose most of these recruiting battles to programs who work all year to cultivate strong relationships with key FBS coaches. Pre-portal coaches have perhaps the most influence to where a portal kid might sign, especially their position coach. The teams who actively development a relationship with these coaches will win the best portal recruits. We will get the leftovers. By the way, my opinion is supported by Tyler Dean, Director of Scouting for the Oregon Ducks, an acquaintance of mine. Carry on.

My only correction to your post is that we are not running an offense that resembles what we ran 1995. That offense won the national title.

 

[mthoopsfan]

You know, there is no mystery to me why we are now falling behind so many other programs. We have a bunch of dinosaurs coaching our team, running the same offense they coached in 1995, and lamely attempting to recruit kids in the changed recruiting environment of 2022. No wonder the Cats blow us away in recruiting now. Our AD and football coaches lack vision. I know for a fact that Weber, NDSU, SDSU, and NAU have a non-coach whose job includes watching high school games, and developing relationships with FBS coaching staffs. Probably many other FCS teams too. Bobcats??? And, every big time FBS team has at least 2-3 full time non-coach recruiting coordinators, who do much more than just administrative work.

As another poster provided, there are over 50 openings for recruiting coordinators in college football across the nation. The guy we have acting in this role is strictly an administrative guy. He is too young, has not played college football, and probably has a limited ability to evaluate high school talent when watching a game. Because of his young age, he would have trouble getting an audience with FBS coaches.

This will be my last post on this issue. We have our resident Mr. Potato Head spewing his typical garbage in every thread, which hijacks any productive discussion of this topic. Thanks to the posters in this thread who have provided good info on athletic budgeting and recruiting. But it tiring dealing with this asshat's posts all of the time.

In summary, the portal has changed everything regarding recruiting. The football programs stuck in the past and attempting to entice kids who entered the portal, to sign with them, will lose most of these recruiting battles to programs who work all year to cultivate strong relationships with key FBS coaches. Pre-portal coaches have perhaps the most influence to where a portal kid might sign, especially their position coach. The teams who actively development a relationship with these coaches will win the best portal recruits. We will get the leftovers. By the way, my opinion is supported by Tyler Dean, Director of Scouting for the Oregon Ducks, an acquaintance of mine. Carry on.

You didn't know only designated coaches could do recruiting. You don't know how UM recruits. You don't know much about the UM coaches or how or what they coach. Other than that,....

 

[Fahque]

You are an insufferable jackass… I appreciate Grizfan-24's post but even he says there is room for improvement in some areas so maybe instead of telling people they are stupid for coming up with new ideas and being stuck in your old ways, maybe try to guide the discussion with what can be done to make things better with recruiting

How is it being as asshole to call someone's attention to a good post? I don't have patience for dumbasses who are dicks to me. His main point is just plain stupid. I said nothing until about his fourth time making it. You two jokers add little or nothing and just waste people's time, in my view. Learn something about the game and program.

Just yours because you are a washed up, has been who wants so desperately to stay relevant but all you have to offer is moving the goal line when others call you out or calling other posters stupid

 

[mthoopsfan]

How is it being as asshole to call someone's attention to a good post? I don't have patience for dumbasses who are dicks to me. His main point is just plain stupid. I said nothing until about his fourth time making it. You two jokers add little or nothing and just waste people's time, in my view. Learn something about the game and program.

Just yours because you are a washed up, has been who wants so desperately to stay relevant but all you have to offer is moving the goal line when others call you out or calling other posters stupid

I'm pretty comfortable right where I am. Shall we compare accomplishments and achievements? What's ya got? Or, are you a never-were and never-will-be?