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Judge won't give JJ all of accuser's texts.

Cats2506 said:
PlayerRep said:
All or most of the people who sent or received texts would have had them, or some of them, in their phones before the prosecutors or university obtained them. They may have transferred some of them to other people. I assume some texts or batches of texts exist outside of the prosecutor's office. Also, transcriptions of certain texts are in the motion to dismiss. Just a thought, or two.
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If that is the case are they still considered evidence, since they easily could have been alterd before being transferred, Sounds like they would have lost the chain of evidence in that case and it would be considered like hearsay
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Don't know the answer to your question, but I was just trying to explain why various people outside of the prosecution and defense, and senders and recipients, might have seen some of the texts.
 
tnt said:
You keep assuming I have an agenda which of course feeds into the massive "inasider ego rush" you are living under. I can wait for the trial just like everyone else. If you are in a position of having reviewed all the texts and all the evidence, then it is highly doubtful you would be sharing it with anyone. Its far more likley that you are delusional as to your importance.

I still find it concerning that anyone (accuser or accused) could have their entirety of converstations reviewed (let alone discussed on a message board) in the hopes their may be a nugget there. i find it hard to believe that there is anyone who can be held to everything they have ever said in a private conversation. Even if they have "multiple personalities" having it
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I guess I would like to see where I claimed to be chuck full of "importance" in my previous post. I think everyone on here can see who has the "inasider ego rush" (sic) and agenda!!!!!!!??????????!!!!!!! I simply pointed out that you were wrong about no one on this board having seen any of the texts. I was right, and you freaked out with over-punctuation issues, disbarment threats and psycho-babble about privacy rights. :roll:
 
Is that what I did or was I just laughing at you. I doubt still anyone commenting has reviewed the texts meaning of course all the texts.

Forgive me if I continue to wonder why with all this inside information you and a few others have pointing to JJ's innocence, why a prosecutor with years of experience and his staff would go about humiliating themself, When the absolute proof of his innocence, that you have all seen is taken from the crooked judges hands and made public.
 
tnt said:
Is that what I did or was I just laughing at you. I doubt still anyone commenting has reviewed the texts meaning of course all the texts.
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Are you still looking for that post where I claimed my importance? I don't want you to get off task old timer.
 
GrizPony said:
tnt said:
Is that what I did or was I just laughing at you. I doubt still anyone commenting has reviewed the texts meaning of course all the texts.
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Are you still looking for that post where I claimed my importance? I don't want you to get off task old timer.
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So what is in those close 29,000 some unreleased texts. You have made some pretty amazing claims as to who you have talked to and what you know.
 
tnt said:
GrizPony said:
tnt said:
Is that what I did or was I just laughing at you. I doubt still anyone commenting has reviewed the texts meaning of course all the texts.
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Are you still looking for that post where I claimed my importance? I don't want you to get off task old timer.
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So what is in those close 29,000 some unreleased texts. You have made some pretty amazing claims as to who you have talked to and what you know.
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Focus sport. Find that post where I claimed my importance or admit you were wrong. That is the task in front of you now.
 
Not hard, nearly every post on this (and few other matters) exudes your self confidence/importance. Used to call those types cocky until they decided that that description confirmed their claim theirs was bigger.
 
tnt said:
Not hard, nearly every post on this (and few other matters) exudes your self confidence/importance. Used to call those types cocky until they decided that that description confirmed their claim theirs was bigger.
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So you couldn't find it huh? Must be difficult to struggle under the burden of not admitting reality and resorting to ad hominem and straw man attacks. Just curious, if you are wrong does that, by necessity, mean that the individual who is correct is "cocky" or does it just mean he is right?
 
tnt said:
Is that what I did or was I just laughing at you. I doubt still anyone commenting has reviewed the texts meaning of course all the texts.

Forgive me if I continue to wonder why with all this inside information you and a few others have pointing to JJ's innocence, why a prosecutor with years of experience and his staff would go about humiliating themself, When the absolute proof of his innocence, that you have all seen is taken from the crooked judges hands and made public.
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No one would have reviewed all of the 29,000 texts, except for the prosecutors--as they are the only people to have all of them, I assume. Don't know if they would have given all of them to the judge. Assume she didn't have time to review all of them. But back to the original point of this sub-discussion, I assume there are a number of people who have seen chunks of the texts.
 
PlayerRep said:
tnt said:
Is that what I did or was I just laughing at you. I doubt still anyone commenting has reviewed the texts meaning of course all the texts.

Forgive me if I continue to wonder why with all this inside information you and a few others have pointing to JJ's innocence, why a prosecutor with years of experience and his staff would go about humiliating themself, When the absolute proof of his innocence, that you have all seen is taken from the crooked judges hands and made public.
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No one would have reviewed all of the 29,000 texts, except for the prosecutors--as they are the only people to have all of them, I assume. Don't know if they would have given all of them to the judge. Assume she didn't have time to review all of them. But back to the original point of this sub-discussion, I assume there are a number of people who have seen chunks of the texts.
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I agree. But forgotten in all this is that only the redacted texts were denied not ALL of them. Who has seen the redaxcted texts?? I assumed the discussion was involving those that were denied and that by some miracle within those was the smoking gun to make all this go away..... my bad.
 
tnt said:
While I am reasonably doubtful that the pervasive belief that there is a huge conspiracy afoot involving multiple agencies, judges, university officials, press personal, reagents, and local citizens to destroy the football program, is false, it is possible that the defenses attempt to involve every facet of the alleged victims life since she was 5 years old, could be an attempt to dissuade her resolve.
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Would it bother you that Fred and Judge Townsend went to the same wedding in Europe? Would it cause doubt if you knew that Carol Williams was a friend of the accuser's mother? Would it cause doubt if you knew that the accuser's parents met with Royce immediately before he fired O'Day and Pflu? Would it bother you if Aronofsky and Couture were pressured to leave their positions after the way the conduct code hearing was conducted? Does it cause you any doubt, that JJ is still in school and on scholarship, despite the "expulsion order"? Does it make sense that all discovery has not been turned over to the defense and trial is rapidly approaching? If none of this causes you any doubt, then I don't think you understand the concepts of innocent until proven guilty, privacy, freedom, due process or conspiracy. :roll:
 
GrizPony said:
tnt said:
While I am reasonably doubtful that the pervasive belief that there is a huge conspiracy afoot involving multiple agencies, judges, university officials, press personal, reagents, and local citizens to destroy the football program, is false, it is possible that the defenses attempt to involve every facet of the alleged victims life since she was 5 years old, could be an attempt to dissuade her resolve.
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Would it bother you that Fred and Judge Townsend went to the same wedding in Europe? Would it cause doubt if you knew that Carol Williams was a friend of the accuser's mother? Would it cause doubt if you knew that the accuser's parents met with Royce immediately before he fired O'Day and Pflu? Would it bother you if Aronofsky and Couture were pressured to leave their positions after the way the conduct code hearing was conducted? Does it cause you any doubt, that JJ is still in school and on scholarship, despite the "expulsion order"? Does it make sense that all discovery has not been turned over to the defense and trial is rapidly approaching? If none of this causes you any doubt, then I don't think you understand the concepts of innocent until proven guilty, privacy, freedom, due process or conspiracy. :roll:
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I guess I don't then. Fred and Karen worked together for Years, why wouldn't they have common friends? Karen and Pabst worked together for years as did Fred and Pabst. Can anyone think of a reason WHY Aronofsky and Couture shouldn't have been fired for any number of reasons. Like maybe certain Middle Eastern rapists leaving the country??? I can't imagine why the parents after Pflus public comments about JJ wouldn't have met with someone seeing as bombing the University was out of question. Carol Williams has lots of friends. Well maybe conspiracy, I do understand. You need better than this for a good one.

Again I ask why couldn't Pflu keep his damn mouth shut? Even he said he prolly would still have a job.
 
nzone said:
The question would be is it grounds to fire someone?
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We'll never know. In the corporate world it would be more than enough. Peoples careers have been ruined for less.
 
tnt said:
[ Well maybe conspiracy, I do understand. You need better than this for a good one.

Again I ask why couldn't Pflu keep his damn mouth shut? Even he said he prolly would still have a job.
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A doubt none the less in the jurors minds. That's all is needed in a weak case.

As for Pflu's passionate and heartfelt comments, well I just can't understand why a coach would say that about a kid he's coached and known for a long time? Go figure...

In America, innocence is suppose to be presumed before guilt. Pflu did not know Jane Doe's moral fiber, but he did know JJ's. If given a chance, would Pflu take back his comments? I don't think so.
 
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