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AZGrizFan said:
grizatwork said:
Az, I am comparing apples to oranges. But so are you. That was my point. I am not a big fan of government doing things better than anyone else. I work in the medical field as a physical therapist, so I can give you first hand knowledge of some crazy rules. Case in point. If a patient comes to me in my private practice for physical therapy, there is an $1,880 dollar cap on them receiving outpatient physical therapy. If that same patient goes to a hospital based physical therapy clinic, then there is no cap. Do they provide better therapy? Are they more efficient? No and no. They have better lobbyists than I do.

I also do some part time work at a nursing home. Medicare has cut back significantly on what it pays for and how it pays for it. I have been doing this for almost 20 years and can honeslty say they are actually saving some money by closing some really stupid loopholes that allowed for waste and borderline fraud.

Some of rules are stupid, Some are good. I am not willing to through the baby out with the bathwater, I just want special interest groups to stay out of it and let rules get applied evenly.

I agree with all that. I just have no faith that it'll happen with government "supervision". You have way more faith in the government than I do to act in the best interests of Americans.

I am quite a contrarian I think. I don't necessarily have faith that the government will act in my best interests. I have also seen enough corporate greed and hubris to be disgusted in pure unregulated capitalism. The only people more arrogant than many CEO's, are our politicians. I think our current system is the worst system in the world, except for everyone elses. I
 
Do you think that the government could do banking better than the private sector? Seems like it would be hard to do it worse.
 
AllWeatherFan said:
Do you think that the government could do banking better than the private sector? Seems like it would be hard to do it worse.

The government set up the circumstances that allowd the huge banks to gamble. Then they bailed them out instead of allowing them to fail.
 
AllWeatherFan said:
Do you think that the government could do banking better than the private sector? Seems like it would be hard to do it worse.
I think the gov't does a good job giving a lot to people who have nothing so I would assume that the large poor home loans would have been much greater and then the taxpayer would have been on the hook instead of the banks.

Also, this conversation is stupid because all of you are arguing for what you think is right. The only way things will ever be good is when no one is happy because they didn't get their way. Somewhere...in the middle...lies the answer everyone is looking for but no one is smart enough to look at.
 
dupuyer griz said:
AllWeatherFan said:
Do you think that the government could do banking better than the private sector? Seems like it would be hard to do it worse.
I think the gov't does a good job giving a lot to people who have nothing so I would assume that the large poor home loans would have been much greater and then the taxpayer would have been on the hook instead of the banks.

Also, this conversation is stupid because all of you are arguing for what you think is right. The only way things will ever be good is when no one is happy because they didn't get their way. Somewhere...in the middle...lies the answer everyone is looking for but no one is smart enough to look at.

I would argue that that is exactly what makes our system so good. It frustrates the heck out of both sides and we usually end up somewhere in the middle. We complain about gridlock and biparticism, yet that is exactly what keeps our government from being out of control.
 
Tod said:
MooUBaby said:
kemajic said:
Tokyogriz said:
This is true fox news reports and gwen florios articles on UM football do share alot in common as they are both worth using as toilet paper.
Regarding your slander of Fox News by comparing to Gwen Florio, you expose your interest in only one side to any story. Thank goodness there is a Fox News; otherwise we would all be lemmings to an otherwise aligned liberal media. I guess in your mind Fox News is bad because they report that a $16 trillion deficit, increasing $4 trillion per year is not good and there can be consequences. Every time I think you have hit your peak, you soar to new heights of opinionated cerebral misfire.
Well said finally some common sense on here. Libs like Tokyo don't like fox because they exploit all that is wrong with the liberal movement for some the only defense is to criticize even when they know policies like Obamacare are unsustainable and unrealistic.
I'm guessing you haven't read the article that says Obamacare will save Medicare $200B, patients $200B, and cost $50B less than thought, all by 2020? Or that 5.1 million in the Medicare doughnut hole have already saved 3.6B? Or that 3 million Americans are about to get refund checks totaling 1.3B? Of course you haven't, you get your news from Fake News and other right-wing sources.
Please tell me your high. Are you kidding me, in what world do u live in? I don't know about the numbers you have suggested but I don't like paying more money so people can get a bigger refund! These statements are exactly the statements Obama supporters suggest "well i got more money back so I'm happy" are you fucking nuts? Chances are the money they got back was yours to begin with, are you happy with that? Jesus Christ people wake up this mentality of entitlement is killing Amwrican and this state. If you want money and cheaper health care get a job. You sound like the idiots that breg about getting a big refund on their taxes, when it's their withholdings to start with.
 
Someone move this to political forum. Let's talk about, Jordan Johnson the player. I was not completely sure of him as our QB, until after he return from his injury. I love his play the 2nd half of the season. That completely sold me on him being our QB, and the main reason, why I am so jacked for this upcoming season.
 
cclarkblues said:
AllWeatherFan said:
Do you think that the government could do banking better than the private sector? Seems like it would be hard to do it worse.

The government set up the circumstances that allowd the huge banks to gamble. Then they bailed them out instead of allowing them to fail.

Precisely. And I'm IN banking....trust me when I say this: much like Obamacare was in the healthcare industry, the banking regulations were written BY the big banks to benefit THEM...There may not be a more corrupt group of individuals in the world than those residing in Washington, DC.
 
kemajic said:
Tokyogriz said:
This is true fox news reports and gwen florios articles on UM football do share alot in common as they are both worth using as toilet paper.
Regarding your slander of Fox News by comparing to Gwen Florio, you expose your interest in only one side to any story. Thank goodness there is a Fox News; otherwise we would all be lemmings to an otherwise aligned liberal media. I guess in your mind Fox News is bad because they report that a $16 trillion deficit, increasing $4 trillion per year is not good and there can be consequences. Every time I think you have hit your peak, you soar to new heights of opinionated cerebral misfire.

While I agree with the gist of your post it's more like 1.5 trillion this year and sadly your 16 trillion is pretty much factual.
 
CrunchGriz said:
According to factcheck.org, the "doubling" is spin based on comparing apples to oranges. Factcheck notes that, when fairly compared, there is a net decrease in costs of 0.6%.

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/03/health-care-costs-didnt-double/

Sorry, can't get into the optimism, see the USPS and don't give me the BS about prepaid pensions. USPS is a failed business model and losing billions outside of the pension obligations.

The question is how much are you willing to keep throwing money down a rat hole.

If I had any confidence that the Federal Gov could administer a single payer system I'd be all for it. History, unfortunately has showm us otherwise.
 
AllWeatherFan said:
Do you think that the government could do banking better than the private sector? Seems like it would be hard to do it worse.

That is a no brainer, private bankers have done egregious things but unlike the Federal Gov they can be taken to court and be held accountable. Holder is still around after the Mexican gun fiasco that got a DEA agent killed and he survives. Makes you wonder...
 
AZGrizFan said:
cclarkblues said:
AllWeatherFan said:
Do you think that the government could do banking better than the private sector? Seems like it would be hard to do it worse.

The government set up the circumstances that allowd the huge banks to gamble. Then they bailed them out instead of allowing them to fail.

Precisely. And I'm IN banking....trust me when I say this: much like Obamacare was in the healthcare industry, the banking regulations were written BY the big banks to benefit THEM...There may not be a more corrupt group of individuals in the world than those residing in Washington, DC.

I doubt anyone with a brain would disagree with you on this one.
 
AZGrizFan said:
cclarkblues said:
AllWeatherFan said:
Do you think that the government could do banking better than the private sector? Seems like it would be hard to do it worse.

The government set up the circumstances that allowd the huge banks to gamble. Then they bailed them out instead of allowing them to fail.

Precisely. And I'm IN banking....trust me when I say this: much like Obamacare was in the healthcare industry, the banking regulations were written BY the big banks to benefit THEM...There may not be a more corrupt group of individuals in the world than those residing in Washington, DC.

Banking regulations are approved by bank regulators, not not by banks or big banks. It's not particularly relevant who "writes" or drafts the regulations that are approved by regulatory bodies. Regulations are often drafted by staffers and industry, but industry doesn't institute or vote on the proposed regulations.
 
moose/squirrel said:
AllWeatherFan said:
Do you think that the government could do banking better than the private sector? Seems like it would be hard to do it worse.

That is a no brainer, private bankers have done egregious things but unlike the Federal Gov they can be taken to court and be held accountable. Holder is still around after the Mexican gun fiasco that got a DEA agent killed and he survives. Makes you wonder...

Here's Obama's recent statements on JP Morgan and Jamie Dimon, the head of JP Morgan:

""JPMorgan is one of the best-managed banks there is," Obama said (per Dow Jones). "Jamie Dimon, the head of it, is one of the smartest bankers we got, and they still lost $2 billion and counting."

I agree with Obama on this one.
 
PlayerRep said:
AZGrizFan said:
cclarkblues said:
AllWeatherFan said:
Do you think that the government could do banking better than the private sector? Seems like it would be hard to do it worse.

The government set up the circumstances that allowd the huge banks to gamble. Then they bailed them out instead of allowing them to fail.

Precisely. And I'm IN banking....trust me when I say this: much like Obamacare was in the healthcare industry, the banking regulations were written BY the big banks to benefit THEM...There may not be a more corrupt group of individuals in the world than those residing in Washington, DC.

Banking regulations are approved by bank regulators, not not by banks or big banks. It's not particularly relevant who "writes" or drafts the regulations that are approved by regulatory bodies. Regulations are often drafted by staffers and industry, but industry doesn't institute or vote on the proposed regulations.

No. They just line the pockets of the people who DO vote on the proposed regulations. :roll:
 
moose/squirrel said:
AllWeatherFan said:
Do you think that the government could do banking better than the private sector? Seems like it would be hard to do it worse.

That is a no brainer, private bankers have done egregious things but unlike the Federal Gov they can be taken to court and be held accountable. Holder is still around after the Mexican gun fiasco that got a DEA agent killed and he survives. Makes you wonder...

Sad thing is that after 4 years of this mess the number of people that were responsible for this mess that have been jailed is a number between -1 and 1.
 
Why try to regulate what can't be regulated? I'm referring to these complex credit derivatives and credit default swaps. Just outlaw them. No regulation needed. Even the bankers don't understand them. Witness this latest JP Morgan fiasco.
 
Tod said:
MooUBaby said:
kemajic said:
Tokyogriz said:
This is true fox news reports and gwen florios articles on UM football do share alot in common as they are both worth using as toilet paper.
Regarding your slander of Fox News by comparing to Gwen Florio, you expose your interest in only one side to any story. Thank goodness there is a Fox News; otherwise we would all be lemmings to an otherwise aligned liberal media. I guess in your mind Fox News is bad because they report that a $16 trillion deficit, increasing $4 trillion per year is not good and there can be consequences. Every time I think you have hit your peak, you soar to new heights of opinionated cerebral misfire.
Well said finally some common sense on here. Libs like Tokyo don't like fox because they exploit all that is wrong with the liberal movement for some the only defense is to criticize even when they know policies like Obamacare are unsustainable and unrealistic.
I'm guessing you haven't read the article that says Obamacare will save Medicare $200B, patients $200B, and cost $50B less than thought, all by 2020? Or that 5.1 million in the Medicare doughnut hole have already saved 3.6B? Or that 3 million Americans are about to get refund checks totaling 1.3B? Of course you haven't, you get your news from Fake News and other right-wing sources.

You do realize that Obama's first 10 years of Obamacare is 10 years of income and 6 years of expenditures for almost 1 Trillion. Just look at SS and MC - both good programs but they are going BROKE! In 2030 you'll have 2 workers supporting 1 SS person. How's that going to work? So now we have another goverenment program. I could see it if SS and MC were on firm financial ground but this is a disaster - ie Europe.....
 
Feel free to start a new Obamacare discussion in the politics forum or a new Jordan Johnson thread here - this one's way off track.
 
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