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Joining the Mountain West would run an $8MM - $9MM annual deficit - can we overcome that?

5280Griz said:
The 2 financial advisors I was referring to are principals of firms they have 100% interest in. For what it is worth I don’t support moving up right now either.
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And again, the value is tied to their revenue and book of business (and strength of book). Their “equity” doesn’t otherwise go up in value.
 
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The Athletic put out an interesting survey of staff/coaches talking about roster budget sizes for FBS programs and came up with 3 tiers:

These days, what's a conference champ cost?
College sports teams having actual, legal, publicly acknowledged payrolls is still such a new and rapidly evolving thing that we should probably check back in on dollar amounts every year.

This week, our Antonio Morales, Manny Navarro and Sam Khan Jr. shared loads of portal gossip from a panel of anonymous FBS coaches and staffers. There were lots of takes on this year's portal classes ("hate to say it, but Texas Tech is doing what it should"), plus reports of tampering being exactly as rampant as you'd suspect ("they’re getting tampered with by someone, if it’s not you").

In that latter link, staffers from a full range of FBS conferences also ballparked their answers to this question: "How big a roster budget does a school need to be competitive in your conference?" And I couldn't help noticing how neatly those answers lined up into three tiers.

Their estimated payroll ranges, along with a couple of those quotes I've plucked from each group:

Group of 6: $2M to $10M

Group of 6 staffer 4: I think you’re going to really, really struggle if you’re not over $4 million in our conference.
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Group of 6 staffer 3: If it was a starter kit for Conference USA, you can get away with $2 or $3 million. ... For other Group of 6 conferences, I’d say $8 to $10 million easily.​

ACC and Big 12: $10M to $25M
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ACC staffer 2: At least $10 million if you want to be legitimate.
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Big 12 staffer 2: Around $20 million to $25 million to be competitive. Around $30 million if you want to win it.​

Big Ten and SEC: $25M to $40M

SEC staffer 2: $25 million minimum.
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Big Ten staffer 2: It’s getting up to $35 plus (million), if not $40 million.​
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Now that you know the price ranges, you can decide whether you'll become the Phil Knight of either Rutgers or Missouri State. Rutgers needs you much more urgently, FWIW. Here's that link again on tampering and such.
 
uofmman1122 said:
The Athletic put out an interesting survey of staff/coaches talking about roster budget sizes for FBS programs and came up with 3 tiers:


These days, what's a conference champ cost?

College sports teams having actual, legal, publicly acknowledged payrolls is still such a new and rapidly evolving thing that we should probably check back in on dollar amounts every year.

This week, our Antonio Morales, Manny Navarro and Sam Khan Jr. shared loads of portal gossip from a panel of anonymous FBS coaches and staffers. There were lots of takes on this year's portal classes ("hate to say it, but Texas Tech is doing what it should"), plus reports of tampering being exactly as rampant as you'd suspect ("they’re getting tampered with by someone, if it’s not you").

In that latter link, staffers from a full range of FBS conferences also ballparked their answers to this question: "How big a roster budget does a school need to be competitive in your conference?" And I couldn't help noticing how neatly those answers lined up into three tiers.

Their estimated payroll ranges, along with a couple of those quotes I've plucked from each group:

Group of 6: $2M to $10M

Group of 6 staffer 4: I think you’re going to really, really struggle if you’re not over $4 million in our conference.​
Group of 6 staffer 3: If it was a starter kit for Conference USA, you can get away with $2 or $3 million. ... For other Group of 6 conferences, I’d say $8 to $10 million easily.​

ACC and Big 12: $10M to $25M
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ACC staffer 2: At least $10 million if you want to be legitimate.​
Big 12 staffer 2: Around $20 million to $25 million to be competitive. Around $30 million if you want to win it.​

Big Ten and SEC: $25M to $40M

SEC staffer 2: $25 million minimum.​
Big Ten staffer 2: It’s getting up to $35 plus (million), if not $40 million.​
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Now that you know the price ranges, you can decide whether you'll become the Phil Knight of either Rutgers or Missouri State. Rutgers needs you much more urgently, FWIW. Here's that link again on tampering and such.
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ASU is spending around $19m on their roster this upcoming season and their primary issue as a program is that is too low to be consistently competitive in the Big 12. Texas Tech for example spent $28m this past season and is going to spend over $30m this upcoming season. Idk if you have ever been to Tempe AZ and Lubbock TX but the choice of which one to live in is obvious to everyone not from Texas if the money becomes equal.
 
State government would have to increase its institutional support by several million dollars. The University of Montana has done a great job of funding athletics without the level of state government support that its peers receive.
Does state government have interest in increasing support? Doubtful, unless UM crafts an undergrad degree in plumbing.
 
Regardless of the cost we need to be doing everything we can to just move Football to the FBS and having our other sports either stay in the Big Sky (our and MSU brands are big enough they might make an exception) or we could join the Summit for Oly sports.
 
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Ut-Grizfan said:
Regardless of the cost we need to be doing everything we can to just move Football to the FBS and having our other sports either stay in the Big Sky (our and MSU brands are big enough they might make an exception) or we could join the Summit for Oly sports.
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From everything that I have heard, leaving non-football sports in the BSC is a nonstarter.
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
From everything that I have heard, leaving non-football sports in the BSC is a nonstarter.
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That is the current Conference rule, merely speculation on my part that the Big Sky might make an exception for us and MSU due to being the largest brands in the Conference. If not, I'd be okay playing in the Summit since we are pretty familiar with the Dakota schools.
 
Ut-Grizfan said:
That is the current Conference rule, merely speculation on my part that the Big Sky might make an exception for us and MSU due to being the largest brands in the Conference. If not, I'd be okay playing in the Summit since we are pretty familiar with the Dakota schools.
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What I have been told is to fill those spots in the conference, the new schools would probably have to be full members because they would most likely be from D2. They would need to accommodate these schools for all sports, which would negate UM/MSU leaving sports.
 
See a new thread for UM football budget stats showing that football does not generate net revenue for the university, except through football donations from alums and donors.
 
5280Griz said:
The teams in the Pac12 generally have higher football operating budgets. The entry fee for the Pac 12 would likely be significantly higher as well.
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I get that historically. Didn’t know if it would be different now since they have almost entirely new schools.
 
MontanaGrizSoccer said:
Time to think outside the box, adapt or get left behind.
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Considering we're one of the lowest in terms of State support I think of we did a few things like increase student fees, get more money from our BOR and even have our own TV deal with the State just like NDSU (I think they get 2 million to broadcast their games throughout the ND) in addition to a way better media deal we could make it happen.

Granted would have to be as a Football only option but not impossible, also saw something interesting theorized where both us and MSU would move up to different Conferences (1 to the PAC, 1 to the MWC) and equally split the revenue between both schools semi UCLA/CAL situation.

Would eliminate the biggest hurdle of having 2 Montana schools on 1 Conference and it's be easier to demand the Brawl as the last game of the year vs both of us trying to get into a single Conference. Don't know how popular an idea that'd be to not be in the same Conference as MSU but as long as it'd be garunteed to play them in the Brawl (and 2 games in Basketball) I think it could work.
 
Ut-Grizfan said:
Considering we're one of the lowest in terms of State support I think of we did a few things like increase student fees, get more money from our BOR and even have our own TV deal with the State just like NDSU (I think they get 2 million to broadcast their games throughout the ND) in addition to a way better media deal we could make it happen.

Granted would have to be as a Football only option but not impossible, also saw something interesting theorized where both us and MSU would move up to different Conferences (1 to the PAC, 1 to the MWC) and equally split the revenue between both schools semi UCLA/CAL situation.

Would eliminate the biggest hurdle of having 2 Montana schools on 1 Conference and it's be easier to demand the Brawl as the last game of the year vs both of us trying to get into a single Conference. Don't know how popular an idea that'd be to not be in the same Conference as MSU but as long as it'd be garunteed to play them in the Brawl (and 2 games in Basketball) I think it could work.
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The big hurdle you are going to have with increasing student fees for that purpose is that in Montana the students would also have to vote to impose the fee, which is obviously not always popular. I haven't been involved in the BoR for years, but unless things have changed they also really hate increasing student fees. I got one pushed through at a different campus a little over 10 years ago, and when it went before the Board I had to bring students to talk about how important this would be for them and why they would need this increase. The Board REALLY didn't want to approve it.
 
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