JMU vs. ND State Championship Game Thread

[kemajic]

We've been trying numerous times to get a home and home with NDSU. But after the 2015 game, they want no part of playing in Missoula. Keeping the risk down on that streak.

Remember after 2003, when the Bison as a D2 team beat the Griz, the Griz backed out of the second half of a home and home in Fargo when they knew they couldn’t win? What happened back then?

What happened was a surprise $1MM AD deficit and a $700M offer from Iowa for a game on the same date, which was in 2006, not 2004. Montana did not cancel; they asked to reschedule, but NDSU preferred the contract buyout, which was paid in full. The ill will you espouse in your loose posting is more of your myth since NDSU had no problem rescheduling a home and home with Montana for 2014 and 2015, which we split. It's more likely that the loss at Missoula is not something NDSU wants to repeat as they are now ultra careful to minimize risk with their FCS scheduling in the interest of protecting the "domination."

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Montana: Anyone; anytime; anywhere.

Bizons: Some teams, but we’ll have to talk about it first to decide for sure, no go if you are FCS and have a chance of beating us; sometimes; only at the Shed, unless you’re paying a lot and we get to play the victim when we lose, but if we win, we get to gloat like insecure pussies on a third-party team’s message board afterward.

You didn’t answer my question.

Why did Montana back out of their commitment in 2004?

Just a little reminder...of the last time you lost a game in Missoula

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bcHpziyzQY

That’s what happens when they play a real FCS opponent on the road. That’s why they don’t do it anymore.

 

[PlayerRep]

Why would any team agree to a buyout clause and buyout amount, and then be surprised or shocked if the other team exercised its right. I

If you don't want someone to buy out a game, don't agree to the clause, or set the buyout amount very high. Jeez, how hard is that.

Are Bison AD's and fans really this big of whiners or babies? Or too stupid to know what a buyout clause is?

 

[kemajic]

Montana: Anyone; anytime; anywhere.

Bizons: Some teams, but we’ll have to talk about it first to decide for sure, no go if you are FCS and have a chance of beating us; sometimes; only at the Shed, unless you’re paying a lot and we get to play the victim when we lose, but if we win, we get to gloat like insecure pussies on a third-party team’s message board afterward.

You didn’t answer my question.

Why did Montana back out of their commitment in 2004?

Just a little reminder...of the last time you lost a game in Missoula

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bcHpziyzQY

That’s what happens when they play a real FCS opponent on the road. That’s why they don’t do it anymore.

26,472. Montana 27 1st downs, 544 yards total offense. NDSU 22 1st downs, 427 yards total offense. Who wants to risk that again?

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Why would any team agree to a buyout clause and buyout amount, and then be surprised or shocked if the other team exercised its right. I

If you don't want someone to buy out a game, don't agree to the clause, or set the buyout amount very high. Jeez, how hard is that.

Are Bison AD's and fans really this big of whiners or babies? Or too stupid to know what a buyout clause is?

Both.

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

Montana: Anyone; anytime; anywhere.

Bizons: Some teams, but we’ll have to talk about it first to decide for sure, no go if you are FCS and have a chance of beating us; sometimes; only at the Shed, unless you’re paying a lot and we get to play the victim when we lose, but if we win, we get to gloat like insecure pussies on a third-party team’s message board afterward.

You didn’t answer my question.

Why did Montana back out of their commitment in 2004?

Just a little reminder...of the last time you lost a game in Missoula

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bcHpziyzQY

That’s what happens when they play a real FCS opponent on the road. That’s why they don’t do it anymore.

Remind me again what happened on the main stage in the playoffs and what team won the national championship game that year in the FCS?

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

You didn’t answer my question.

Why did Montana back out of their commitment in 2004?

Just a little reminder...of the last time you lost a game in Missoula

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bcHpziyzQY

That’s what happens when they play a real FCS opponent on the road. That’s why they don’t do it anymore.

26,472. Montana 27 1st downs, 544 yards total offense. NDSU 22 1st downs, 427 yards total offense. Who wants to risk that again?

Meh. They broke in 9 new defensive starters, replacing a senior laden class who won more national championships than games lost, and faced a gimmick offense. Congrats, the Griz joined USD, YSU, Indiana State, SDSU and JMU as teams to have won against NDSU since 2011.

The Griz got their ass completely and utterly embarrassed in the playoffs later in the year and the Bison won another national championship.

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

Why would any team agree to a buyout clause and buyout amount, and then be surprised or shocked if the other team exercised its right. I

If you don't want someone to buy out a game, don't agree to the clause, or set the buyout amount very high. Jeez, how hard is that.

Are Bison AD's and fans really this big of whiners or babies? Or too stupid to know what a buyout clause is?

Doesn’t matter. Montana and Montana State are still two programs who couldn’t honor commitments.

 

[kemajic]

Just a little reminder...of the last time you lost a game in Missoula

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bcHpziyzQY

That’s what happens when they play a real FCS opponent on the road. That’s why they don’t do it anymore.

26,472. Montana 27 1st downs, 544 yards total offense. NDSU 22 1st downs, 427 yards total offense. Who wants to risk that again?

Meh. They broke in 9 new defensive starters, replacing a senior laden class who won more national championships than games lost, and faced a gimmick offense. Congrats, the Griz joined USD, YSU, Indiana State, SDSU and JMU as teams to have won against NDSU since 2011.

The Griz got their ass completely and utterly embarrassed in the playoffs later in the year and the Bison won another national championship.

Yeah, we know you like to play in your dome. Just further evidence that NDSU is afraid to play in Missoula. Dominant teams can handle "gimmick" offenses. The winning TD play was zone left; quite the "gimmick". Both games in Missoula broke in new HC's for UM.

 

[kemajic]

Why would any team agree to a buyout clause and buyout amount, and then be surprised or shocked if the other team exercised its right. I

If you don't want someone to buy out a game, don't agree to the clause, or set the buyout amount very high. Jeez, how hard is that.

Are Bison AD's and fans really this big of whiners or babies? Or too stupid to know what a buyout clause is?

Doesn’t matter. Montana and Montana State are still two programs who couldn’t honor commitments.

You're half right. The 2015 game in Missoula was honoring a commitment and you lost. Don't want to do it again.

 

[cmtgrizzly]

Has NDSU ever bought out of a game?

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

Has NDSU ever bought out of a game?

No they have not actually. During the Montana State game, there was heavy coverage with the past about this and Jeremy Jorgensen was asked about it on air and he said it has not happened to the best of his knowledge. Jeff Kolpack, who is the guru of Bison football history said the same.

It might have happened before, but nobody can recall when.

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

Why would any team agree to a buyout clause and buyout amount, and then be surprised or shocked if the other team exercised its right. I

If you don't want someone to buy out a game, don't agree to the clause, or set the buyout amount very high. Jeez, how hard is that.

Are Bison AD's and fans really this big of whiners or babies? Or too stupid to know what a buyout clause is?

Doesn’t matter. Montana and Montana State are still two programs who couldn’t honor commitments.

You're half right. The 2015 game in Missoula was honoring a commitment and you lost. Don't want to do it again.

Do you guys not remember the fact NDSU tried to get into the Big Sky, and would have been playing in Missoula on an every year (or darn close) basis, but the AD at Montana was instrumental in saying no?

NDSU is doing what is right for them as an athletic department. I’m sure Montana wants more money than other programs for a head and head, and it probably doesn’t make financial sense. The goal every year for the Bison is find an FBS game, no D2 teams, and make sure there are 6 home games for fans. It is a smart scheduling philosophy.

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

That’s what happens when they play a real FCS opponent on the road. That’s why they don’t do it anymore.

26,472. Montana 27 1st downs, 544 yards total offense. NDSU 22 1st downs, 427 yards total offense. Who wants to risk that again?

Meh. They broke in 9 new defensive starters, replacing a senior laden class who won more national championships than games lost, and faced a gimmick offense. Congrats, the Griz joined USD, YSU, Indiana State, SDSU and JMU as teams to have won against NDSU since 2011.

The Griz got their ass completely and utterly embarrassed in the playoffs later in the year and the Bison won another national championship.

Yeah, we know you like to play in your dome. Just further evidence that NDSU is afraid to play in Missoula. Dominant teams can handle "gimmick" offenses. The winning TD play was zone left; quite the "gimmick". Both games in Missoula broke in new HC's for UM.

That game in Missoula, while revered by your fans, is the most irrelevant loss the Bison have ever had.

How did it impact them? Ya that is right, it isn’t like they didn’t completely curb stomp the Griz in the playoffs in that same season, didn’t win another national championship in that same season and the HC leading your gimmick offense didn’t get fired....it’s like you guys live in this bubble where the reality is you played a 1 in 100 game and caught lightning in a bottle with Bobs Titt for one single game... it is quite similar to Indiana State, USD etc etc.

Look, the Bison have played and won in Missoula. Your program has never won in Fargo.

Bison are better off scheduling games against other FCS teams, around the country, to increase nation-wide exposure vs locking themselves up with Montana schools who are known to not honor commitments.

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

We've been trying numerous times to get a home and home with NDSU. But after the 2015 game, they want no part of playing in Missoula. Keeping the risk down on that streak.

Remember after 2003, when the Bison as a D2 team beat the Griz, the Griz backed out of the second half of a home and home in Fargo when they knew they couldn’t win? What happened back then?

What happened was a surprise $1MM AD deficit and a $700M offer from Iowa for a game on the same date, which was in 2006, not 2004. Montana did not cancel; they asked to reschedule, but NDSU preferred the contract buyout, which was paid in full. The ill will you espouse in your loose posting is more of your myth since NDSU had no problem rescheduling a home and home with Montana for 2014 and 2015, which we split. It's more likely that the loss at Missoula is not something NDSU wants to repeat as they are now ultra careful to minimize risk with their FCS scheduling in the interest of protecting the "domination."

Sorry I did know it was 2006.

Montana, whined and bitched and complained about getting another game against the Bison ....desperate need to get national attention to help revive a program who was floundering. NDSU did it out of courtesy and moved on.

The facts are still the facts. Both Montana schools are known to not honor commitments. The Bison want guarantees of getting the backend of the home and home games, but the two Montana schools can’t be trusted.

 

[PlayerRep]

We've been trying numerous times to get a home and home with NDSU. But after the 2015 game, they want no part of playing in Missoula. Keeping the risk down on that streak.

Remember after 2003, when the Bison as a D2 team beat the Griz, the Griz backed out of the second half of a home and home in Fargo when they knew they couldn’t win? What happened back then?

What happened was a surprise $1MM AD deficit and a $700M offer from Iowa for a game on the same date, which was in 2006, not 2004. Montana did not cancel; they asked to reschedule, but NDSU preferred the contract buyout, which was paid in full. The ill will you espouse in your loose posting is more of your myth since NDSU had no problem rescheduling a home and home with Montana for 2014 and 2015, which we split. It's more likely that the loss at Missoula is not something NDSU wants to repeat as they are now ultra careful to minimize risk with their FCS scheduling in the interest of protecting the "domination."

Sorry I did know it was 2006.

Montana, whined and bitched and complained about getting another game against the Bison ....desperate need to get national attention to help revive a program who was floundering. NDSU did it out of courtesy and moved on.

The facts are still the facts. Both Montana schools are known to not honor commitments. The Bison want guarantees of getting the backend of the home and home games, but the two Montana schools can’t be trusted.

Any team that wants a "guarantee", doesn't allow a buyout clause in the contract. How can you be so dumb?

 

[PlayerRep]

Why would any team agree to a buyout clause and buyout amount, and then be surprised or shocked if the other team exercised its right. I

If you don't want someone to buy out a game, don't agree to the clause, or set the buyout amount very high. Jeez, how hard is that.

Are Bison AD's and fans really this big of whiners or babies? Or too stupid to know what a buyout clause is?

Doesn’t matter. Montana and Montana State are still two programs who couldn’t honor commitments.

You're half right. The 2015 game in Missoula was honoring a commitment and you lost. Don't want to do it again.

Do you guys not remember the fact NDSU tried to get into the Big Sky, and would have been playing in Missoula on an every year (or darn close) basis, but the AD at Montana was instrumental in saying no?

NDSU is doing what is right for them as an athletic department. I’m sure Montana wants more money than other programs for a head and head, and it probably doesn’t make financial sense. The goal every year for the Bison is find an FBS game, no D2 teams, and make sure there are 6 home games for fans. It is a smart scheduling philosophy.

Home and Home FCS games don't involve money.

 

[PlayerRep]

Why would any team agree to a buyout clause and buyout amount, and then be surprised or shocked if the other team exercised its right. I

If you don't want someone to buy out a game, don't agree to the clause, or set the buyout amount very high. Jeez, how hard is that.

Are Bison AD's and fans really this big of whiners or babies? Or too stupid to know what a buyout clause is?

Doesn’t matter. Montana and Montana State are still two programs who couldn’t honor commitments.

You're half right. The 2015 game in Missoula was honoring a commitment and you lost. Don't want to do it again.

Do you guys not remember the fact NDSU tried to get into the Big Sky, and would have been playing in Missoula on an every year (or darn close) basis, but the AD at Montana was instrumental in saying no?

NDSU is doing what is right for them as an athletic department. I’m sure Montana wants more money than other programs for a head and head, and it probably doesn’t make financial sense. The goal every year for the Bison is find an FBS game, no D2 teams, and make sure there are 6 home games for fans. It is a smart scheduling philosophy.

Thank god. Who would want a bunch of ignorant, obnoxious and arrogant fans?

 

[PlayerRep]

Just a little reminder...of the last time you lost a game in Missoula

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bcHpziyzQY

That’s what happens when they play a real FCS opponent on the road. That’s why they don’t do it anymore.

26,472. Montana 27 1st downs, 544 yards total offense. NDSU 22 1st downs, 427 yards total offense. Who wants to risk that again?

Meh. They broke in 9 new defensive starters, replacing a senior laden class who won more national championships than games lost, and faced a gimmick offense. Congrats, the Griz joined USD, YSU, Indiana State, SDSU and JMU as teams to have won against NDSU since 2011.

The Griz got their ass completely and utterly embarrassed in the playoffs later in the year and the Bison won another national championship.

How did Bison return 4 defensive starters and break in 9 new starters?

From NDSU website:

"RETURNING 12 STARTERS: North Dakota State returns 12 starters from last year's team that won a fourth straight FCS national championship and went 7-1 to claim a share of its fourth straight Missouri Valley Football Conference title. NDSU returns eight starters on offense and four on defense."

https://gobison.com/news/2015/8/24/FB_0824154911.aspx

 

[PlayerRep]

26,472. Montana 27 1st downs, 544 yards total offense. NDSU 22 1st downs, 427 yards total offense. Who wants to risk that again?

Meh. They broke in 9 new defensive starters, replacing a senior laden class who won more national championships than games lost, and faced a gimmick offense. Congrats, the Griz joined USD, YSU, Indiana State, SDSU and JMU as teams to have won against NDSU since 2011.

The Griz got their ass completely and utterly embarrassed in the playoffs later in the year and the Bison won another national championship.

Yeah, we know you like to play in your dome. Just further evidence that NDSU is afraid to play in Missoula. Dominant teams can handle "gimmick" offenses. The winning TD play was zone left; quite the "gimmick". Both games in Missoula broke in new HC's for UM.

That game in Missoula, while revered by your fans, is the most irrelevant loss the Bison have ever had.

How did it impact them? Ya that is right, it isn’t like they didn’t completely curb stomp the Griz in the playoffs in that same season, didn’t win another national championship in that same season and the HC leading your gimmick offense didn’t get fired....it’s like you guys live in this bubble where the reality is you played a 1 in 100 game and caught lightning in a bottle with Bobs Titt for one single game... it is quite similar to Indiana State, USD etc etc.

Look, the Bison have played and won in Missoula. Your program has never won in Fargo.

Bison are better off scheduling games against other FCS teams, around the country, to increase nation-wide exposure vs locking themselves up with Montana schools who are known to not honor commitments.

The loss was not irrelevant. It was on national television in a highly rated game on ESPN with a top ESPN crew before the largest FCS crowd the Bison has ever played in front of, I assume.

When has NDSU ever played a more watched regular season FCS game? What NDSU FCS regular season game has ever gotten more attention, viewers, ratings?

"THIS WEEK: Two of the winningest programs in Football Championship Subdivision history will be featured on ESPN in the second annual "FCS Kickoff" game when four-time defending FCS champion North Dakota State plays at Montana on Saturday, Aug. 29. Game time is scheduled for 1:30 p.m. MDT at Washington Grizzly Stadium (25,217) in Missoula, Mont.

TELEVISION: Live coverage on ESPN will begin at 2:30 p.m. CDT with Brent Musburger calling the play-by-play, Jesse Palmer as color analyst, and Maria Taylor reporting from the sidelines."