JJ Trial

[GRZFTBL]

And the constitutional law scholars that never cared about a screwed over Defendant in his entire life now emerge because a Defendant is one of their own. Classic.

Sofa king we ta did.

 

[GRZFTBL]

The policy is to make it easier for victims to come forward. If fake ones come forward and their stories are not corroborated, that will be exposed.

Thanks MPD Chief.

 

[Grizbeer]

Jerry am I reading this right - you hate Missoula and constantly bash it because of all the liberals, but now you are a champion of the downtrodden and voted for and support Obama and thought Bush was an idiot? In other words, you are like most Missoulians that you hate so much? I must be missing something?

 

[EverettGriz]

Yes, it is a difficult concept to understand. As I asked earlier:
1) Would the alleged victim have tried to hook up with Jordy if he wasn't a star AND
2) Would as many people on Egriz care if he wasn't a star either

1. I would have absolutely no idea whatsoever who the accuser would want to hook up with, nor would I pretend to. I don't know (nor care) who she is.

2. People wouldn't care if he wasn't a Griz. As I noted, this is a Griz sports board. We talk about Griz players, and one on trial for his life seems worthy of discussion. I guess I simply don't see how that is in any way a concern, or why you would think it wouldn't occur.

And now it's my turn, although you've ignored this question so many times I'm certain I'm purely wasting bandwidth:

Why do YOU care so much??

 

[Special K]

Jerry am I reading this right - you hate Missoula and constantly bash it because of all the liberals, but now you are a champion of the downtrodden and voted for and support Obama and thought Bush was an idiot? In other words, you are like most Missoulians that you hate so much? I must be missing something?

Punch is a typical hypocrite, just like most Bobama supporters

 

[go4two]

missoulian ‏@missoulian
Paoli: New PD policy is to believe the accuser off the bat in sexual assault? #johnsontrial Brueckner: Agrees.

:roll:

Wow, so much for presumed innocence? :shock:

This is beginning to look like the MPD sold their souls to the devil in effort to get the DOJ off their backs.

Arent they basically saying "assume people arent lying"

Yea, the supposed victims. :roll:

 

[grizfnz]

missoulian ‏@missoulian
Paoli: New PD policy is to believe the accuser off the bat in sexual assault? #johnsontrial Brueckner: Agrees.

:roll:

Wow, so much for presumed innocence? :shock:

This is beginning to look like the MPD sold their souls to the devil in effort to get the DOJ off their backs.

Arent they basically saying "assume people arent lying"

No, they are saying that the fundamental principal of "innocent until proven guilty" which is a legal right has been $hit on by the MPD and replaced with "guilty unless proven innocent".

 

[Jerry Punch]

Jerry am I reading this right - you hate Missoula and constantly bash it because of all the liberals, but now you are a champion of the downtrodden and voted for and support Obama and thought Bush was an idiot? In other words, you are like most Missoulians that you hate so much? I must be missing something?

Punch is a typical hypocrite, just like most Bobama supporters

Hey, tough guy. I'm not a hypocrite because I call out Missoula for what it is and what it isn't. I'm permitted to vote for whoever I want and don't have to defend it to you. If being a champion of the downtrodden means riding a stock portfolio to new heights I hadn't seen since the late 1990s, then so be it. I'm doing better than I was in the 90s and that makes me a champion of the downtrodden. Cool theory.

 

[montanaguy]

The policy is to make it easier for victims to come forward. If fake ones come forward and their stories are not corroborated, that will be exposed.

Exposed??... in due time, after young defendants and their parents cough up massive amounts of dough to clear their name (Duke lacrosse ring a bell?) Meanwhile the fake 'victim' has no expense whatsoever. Or exposure, generally. It's been well verified in the forensic literature that a huge number of rape accusations are false.
You might recall that another promising griz football player was recently tried for rape and there was no significant clatter on this board defending his actions or defaming the girl. People smell a rat in this case and justifiably so.
The other issue is that I am also one of those "I have a daughter" guys. Trust me, if she was raped, the guy would get the worst of it. I'm talking Tysoned ears and nose and fingers, his swollen junk from her death grip would need a plaster cast and his eardrums would be ruptured from the screaming. I realize that not every female is as strong as my girl, but holy cow... even a small woman has the ability to scream and create chaos, especially knowing that her best friend is ....what?... 10 feet away? This doesn't pass the smell test.

 

[Jerry Punch]

Yes, it is a difficult concept to understand. As I asked earlier:
1) Would the alleged victim have tried to hook up with Jordy if he wasn't a star AND
2) Would as many people on Egriz care if he wasn't a star either

1. I would have absolutely no idea whatsoever who the accuser would want to hook up with, nor would I pretend to. I don't know (nor care) who she is.

2. People wouldn't care if he wasn't a Griz. As I noted, this is a Griz sports board. We talk about Griz players, and one on trial for his life seems worthy of discussion. I guess I simply don't see how that is in any way a concern, or why you would think it wouldn't occur.

And now it's my turn, although you've ignored this question so many times I'm certain I'm purely wasting bandwidth:

Why do YOU care so much??

I care because, and I think most would agree, that this trial by twitter is fascinating stuff. Reading the updates, the perspectives, and then following it up on Egriz is definitely a learning experience. Seeing the "defend athletes at all costs" crowd go up against a few reasonable posters is also a learning experience. Being accused of wanting Jordy to go to prison because I'm not a fan of the Griz is also a new experience. So, all of it is a pretty interesting time in the world of media and the law.

 

[EverettGriz]

So, you're saying you've got no connection to the case whatsoever (and for a moment, we'll actually take you at your word). But you find the case fascinating.

But then you question why people with at least some vested interest would be commenting on the same case on board devoted to Griz athletics??? :roll:

 

[RobGriz]

If fake ones come forward and their stories are not corroborated, that will be exposed.

Yes, because no innocent people have been convicted of a crime...ever... :roll:

 

[ilovethecats]

off topic but serious question...

is this or will it likely be the longest thread ever on egriz?

 

[Jerry Punch]

The policy is to make it easier for victims to come forward. If fake ones come forward and their stories are not corroborated, that will be exposed.

Exposed??... in due time, after young defendants and their parents cough up massive amounts of dough to clear their name (Duke lacrosse ring a bell?) Meanwhile the fake 'victim' has no expense whatsoever. Or exposure, generally. It's been well verified in the forensic literature that a huge number of rape accusations are false.
You might recall that another promising griz football player was recently tried for rape and there was no significant clatter on this board defending his actions or defaming the girl. People smell a rat in this case and justifiably so.
The other issue is that I am also one of those "I have a daughter" guys. Trust me, if she was raped, the guy would get the worst of it. I'm talking Tysoned ears and nose and fingers, his swollen junk from her death grip would need a plaster cast and his eardrums would be ruptured from the screaming. I realize that not every female is as strong as my girl, but holy cow... even a small woman has the ability to scream and create chaos, especially knowing that her best friend is ....what?... 10 feet away? This doesn't pass the smell test.

Her story is being exposed, you are right. And it started with passing the smell test with a C. Now it is becoming a complete and total failure. But the justice system in this country cannot be disregarded or ridiculed when it loses a case. That doesn't mean they should have never tried it in the first place. For what prosecutors consider to be a winnable case and for what defense counsel considers not to be is for a jury to decide. I've said nothing more or less than exactly that the entire time.

 

[go4two]

The policy is to make it easier for victims to come forward. If fake ones come forward and their stories are not corroborated, that will be exposed.

Exposed??... in due time, after young defendants and their parents cough up massive amounts of dough to clear their name (Duke lacrosse ring a bell?) Meanwhile the fake 'victim' has no expense whatsoever. Or exposure, generally. It's been well verified in the forensic literature that a huge number of rape accusations are false.
You might recall that another promising griz football player was recently tried for rape and there was no significant clatter on this board defending his actions or defaming the girl. People smell a rat in this case and justifiably so.
The other issue is that I am also one of those "I have a daughter" guys. Trust me, if she was raped, the guy would get the worst of it. I'm talking Tysoned ears and nose and fingers, his swollen junk from her death grip would need a plaster cast and his eardrums would be ruptured from the screaming. I realize that not every female is as strong as my girl, but holy cow... even a small woman has the ability to scream and create chaos, especially knowing that her best friend is ....what?... 10 feet away? This doesn't pass the smell test.

:clap: :clap: Well said. This is the part of the story that just does not make sense to me from the beginning. I could understand her not fighting if there was no one home and she indeed feared physical harm. I just can't get past that all it took was for her to yell a little to get her "best friend" to come in and save her.

 

[EverettGriz]

That doesn't mean they should have never tried it in the first place

This case was tried because JJ is a student-athlete at the University of Montana.

Period.

And THAT is the only crime committed here.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

You have to admit, it's an interesting case because it's being reported in real time via Twitter.

There are some interesting parallels with the O.J. Simpson case, which as far as I can recollect was the first big-time criminal case to be televised nationwide. I particularly remember how Lance Ito practically shat himself with the thrill of being in the limelight.

 

[wbtfg]

That doesn't mean they should have never tried it in the first place

This case was tried because JJ is a student-athlete at the University of Montana.

Period.

And THAT is the only crime committed here.

Yep....most other students would have been stuck with a public defender who would advise a plea bargain.

 

[Special K]

Jerry am I reading this right - you hate Missoula and constantly bash it because of all the liberals, but now you are a champion of the downtrodden and voted for and support Obama and thought Bush was an idiot? In other words, you are like most Missoulians that you hate so much? I must be missing something?

Punch is a typical hypocrite, just like most Bobama supporters

Hey, tough guy. I'm not a hypocrite because I call out Missoula for what it is and what it isn't. I'm permitted to vote for whoever I want and don't have to defend it to you. If being a champion of the downtrodden means riding a stock portfolio to new heights I hadn't seen since the late 1990s, then so be it. I'm doing better than I was in the 90s and that makes me a champion of the downtrodden. Cool theory.

ZZZZZZZZZZ. Please go away. You're like a sticky booger

 

[Jerry Punch]

That doesn't mean they should have never tried it in the first place

This case was tried because JJ is a student-athlete at the University of Montana.

Period.

And THAT is the only crime committed here.

I think there were a lot of factors that went into the case being tried. You can be mad at Duerk or FVV or anyone you want. But the County was damned if it did and damned if it didn't. They could have sat on their hands and refused to try it, thus fueling the rage of the Gwen Florios of the world and worst of all giving the DOJ more reason to investigate. A loss at trial does NOT, I say again does NOT mean the case shouldn't have been brought in the first place. That's up to the State, and if they lose because a jury didn't believe the crime was comitted, then so be it. Is Jordy being made an example of? Yes. With the resources to DEFEND him and the resources to PROSECUTE him, I certainly would say so. But then again, Jordy didn't have to bang with someone he didn't know and didn't trust. This is the era in which we live, for better or for worse, in which you must totally know and trust someone before you can bang. Don't get to the point where it is your word against hers.