JJ Trial

[Grizbeer]

Hyperbole much? Having a daughter myself, I would probably have a hard time letting justice run it's course if she were sexually assaulted. I am not going to make any statements in regards to guilt or innocence. Both me and my wife have stated that if our daughter came to us with this current scenario then we would be having a serious come to Jesus moment with her and point out her role in the situation and that we would not be comfortable with her going forward with a case based on what we know so far.

I am not in favor of exposing her identity or vilifying her or demonizing her or attacking her in any way. I am only speaking what we would do in the same situation.

I wonder, if this happened, if your daughter would tell you to get on board or she won't have anything to do with you anymore?

 

[firmgriz]

spokaneman and JP - I've got a radical idea for both of you to consider. Let's just assume for a moment that JJ didn't actually do anything wrong, that perhaps he just might be innocent. For sake of argument, let's just call it a presumption of innocence. I know, it's a crazy idea, but if you think about it long enough it may just start making sense and then most if not all of your posts start looking pretty silly when viewed from that radical position.

Just some food for thought for you two and flower girl.

Does the "presumption of innocence" mandate that the "victim" and all her associates be gutted on a public chat site?

Absolutely not, but fortunately our freedom of speech allows us to openly talk about the case, its merits and its many weaknesses. I'm not aware of any such "mandate" to which you refer. Where would I find that?

 

[Rats of Butte]

Does JJ need to take the stand? IMO, there has been nothing to prove that a rape occurred.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

The police detective seems to be a poor prosecution witness. People hate trial lawyers, but this is a perfect example of why they play an important role in our society.

 

[grizfnz]

This gets better every day. The SARC nurse noted torn leggings, detective said no evidence of tearing in leggings brought in as evidence 3 weeks after the fact. Detective sent text to Jane Doe informing her that Pflu and Oday had been "canned".

 

[CDAGRIZ]

This is unreal.

 

[GRZFTBL]

missoulian ‏@missoulian
Paoli: New PD policy is to believe the accuser off the bat in sexual assault? #johnsontrial Brueckner: Agrees.

:roll:

 

[go4two]

missoulian ‏@missoulian
Paoli: New PD policy is to believe the accuser off the bat in sexual assault? #johnsontrial Brueckner: Agrees.

:roll:

Wow, so much for presumed innocence? :shock:

 

[GrizLA]

spokaneman and JP - I've got a radical idea for both of you to consider. Let's just assume for a moment that JJ didn't actually do anything wrong, that perhaps he just might be innocent. For sake of argument, let's just call it a presumption of innocence. I know, it's a crazy idea, but if you think about it long enough it may just start making sense and then most if not all of your posts start looking pretty silly when viewed from that radical position.

Just some food for thought for you two and flower girl.

Does the "presumption of innocence" mandate that the "victim" and all her associates be gutted on a public chat site?

Absolutely not, but fortunately our freedom of speech allows us to openly talk about the case, its merits and its many weaknesses. I'm not aware of any such "mandate" to which you refer. Where would I find that?

OMG! I think I was just mandated....if I had a twitter account, I'd send a message to my housekeeper in the next room! But, first, I think I will call an attorney I see advertising on tv..ya never know..

 

[grizfnz]

missoulian ‏@missoulian
Paoli: New PD policy is to believe the accuser off the bat in sexual assault? #johnsontrial Brueckner: Agrees.

:roll:

Wow, so much for presumed innocence? :shock:

This is beginning to look like the MPD sold their souls to the devil in effort to get the DOJ off their backs.

 

[JBS]

Hyperbole much? Having a daughter myself, I would probably have a hard time letting justice run it's course if she were sexually assaulted. I am not going to make any statements in regards to guilt or innocence. Both me and my wife have stated that if our daughter came to us with this current scenario then we would be having a serious come to Jesus moment with her and point out her role in the situation and that we would not be comfortable with her going forward with a case based on what we know so far.

I am not in favor of exposing her identity or vilifying her or demonizing her or attacking her in any way. I am only speaking what we would do in the same situation.

I wonder, if this happened, if your daughter would tell you to get on board or she won't have anything to do with you anymore?

No. My daughters and I have a good relationship. But the fact is that I don't think it would ever come to that. My girls are feisty, and he would have got a knee to the nuts, fingernails to the eye, and a .45 pointed at his forehead if it happened in her room. Assuming the accuser didn't have the .45, the first 2 and a scream would have done the trick, as there were 2 male roomates, one of them a "gun nut" within feet of her. But I do admit, if they weren't that way, and were timid souls, I would support them regardless, I think.

 

[EverettGriz]

missoulian ‏@missoulian
Paoli: New PD policy is to believe the accuser off the bat in sexual assault? #johnsontrial Brueckner: Agrees.

:roll:

Holy hell! Perhaps we've been wrong all along about what the DOJ is here investigating. Maybe they're investigating the fact that the MPD is violating the basic rights of defendants.

 

[Jerry Punch]

And the constitutional law scholars that never cared about a screwed over Defendant in his entire life now emerge because a Defendant is one of their own. Classic.

 

[RobGriz]

spokaneman and JP - I've got a radical idea for both of you to consider. Let's just assume for a moment that JJ didn't actually do anything wrong, that perhaps he just might be innocent. For sake of argument, let's just call it a presumption of innocence. I know, it's a crazy idea, but if you think about it long enough it may just start making sense and then most if not all of your posts start looking pretty silly when viewed from that radical position.

Just some food for thought for you two and flower girl.

Does the "presumption of innocence" mandate that the "victim" and all her associates be gutted on a public chat site?

Yes, it is going to be gutted in court anyway. Why do you think sports message boards are held to such a high standard? #dumbass

Really?.. I have yet to see slut, whore, c%*t, and the fact that she was "begging for it" show up in the court transcripts.... silly me!!

Granted I don't read every thread on eGriz but I have not seen anyone call her any of those names or say that she was "begging for it". And IF they did then why argue with someone that is that weak minded and stupid? I don't care what she did or didn't do, she DOES NOT deserve that. That being said, we have all the right in the world to listen to the testimony and draw our own conclusions as to what happened that night and NO ONE has to agree with you. In the end it does not matter what anyone on this board things or believes only what those 12 people in the jury box believe.

 

[EverettGriz]

And the constitutional law scholars that never cared about a screwed over Defendant in his entire life now emerge because a Defendant is one of their own. Classic.

This
is
a
Montana
Grizzly
sports
message
board.

Had the defendant been, say, a Shriner, I'm sure the Shriners would be defnding "their own" on "their" board.


Is this REALLY a difficult concept for you?

 

[CDAGRIZ]

And the constitutional law scholars that never cared about a screwed over Defendant in his entire life now emerge because a Defendant is one of their own. Classic.

Hope you're not talking about me.

 

[Special K]

She wanted to do him, so she said
But not on his terms in her bed
All that foreplay was a guise
Meant for football-jock guys
Who would have been happy with head

 

[wbtfg]

missoulian ‏@missoulian
Paoli: New PD policy is to believe the accuser off the bat in sexual assault? #johnsontrial Brueckner: Agrees.

:roll:

Wow, so much for presumed innocence? :shock:

This is beginning to look like the MPD sold their souls to the devil in effort to get the DOJ off their backs.

Arent they basically saying "assume people arent lying"

 

[Jerry Punch]

And the constitutional law scholars that never cared about a screwed over Defendant in his entire life now emerge because a Defendant is one of their own. Classic.

This
is
a
Montana
Grizzly
sports
message
board.

Had the defendant been, say, a Shriner, I'm sure the Shriners would be defnding "their own" on "their" board.


Is this REALLY a difficult concept for you?

Yes, it is a difficult concept to understand. As I asked earlier:
1) Would the alleged victim have tried to hook up with Jordy if he wasn't a star AND
2) Would as many people on Egriz care if he wasn't a star either?

 

[Jerry Punch]

The policy is to make it easier for victims to come forward. If fake ones come forward and their stories are not corroborated, that will be exposed.