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JJ Settlement

PlayerRep said:
I assume JJ would just prefer to have this episode of his life close, without additional and prolonged publicity.

Completely agree. I wouldn't think reliving and re-litigating the whole thing against the accuser would be worth $10,000 (guessing) and a lien on a condo (also guessing). Getting a judgment is one thing, collecting it is quite another. Even if it settled pre-litigation, I doubt it's worth it. I could be wrong on all of the above.
 
HookedonGriz said:
wbtfg said:
So is Royce going to take this settlement money out of the athletics budget?

8-)

Out of your taxes actually. The state of MT pays this. The specific fund its coming from was listed in the article.

This money comes out of the state's risk management funds, I believe. All state agencies pay into that fund, as I understand it, just to cover themselves if they are sued. Much like you or I get liability coverage when we buy car insurance.
 
grizonbob said:
HookedonGriz said:
wbtfg said:
So is Royce going to take this settlement money out of the athletics budget?

8-)

Out of your taxes actually. The state of MT pays this. The specific fund its coming from was listed in the article.

This money comes out of the state's risk management funds, I believe. All state agencies pay into that fund, as I understand it, just to cover themselves if they are sued. Much like you or I get liability coverage when we buy car insurance.

The state has no money that is not your money. Is this not true?
 
SoldierGriz said:
grizonbob said:
HookedonGriz said:
wbtfg said:
So is Royce going to take this settlement money out of the athletics budget?

8-)

Out of your taxes actually. The state of MT pays this. The specific fund its coming from was listed in the article.

This money comes out of the state's risk management funds, I believe. All state agencies pay into that fund, as I understand it, just to cover themselves if they are sued. Much like you or I get liability coverage when we buy car insurance.

The state has no money that is not your money. Is this not true?

I think they spent my tuition and income tax revenue long ago on a space heater and a half rack of Schmidt.
 
CDAGRIZ said:
SoldierGriz said:
grizonbob said:
HookedonGriz said:
Out of your taxes actually. The state of MT pays this. The specific fund its coming from was listed in the article.

This money comes out of the state's risk management funds, I believe. All state agencies pay into that fund, as I understand it, just to cover themselves if they are sued. Much like you or I get liability coverage when we buy car insurance.

The state has no money that is not your money. Is this not true?

I think they spent my tuition and income tax revenue long ago on a space heater and a half rack of Schmidt.

Wow. Your contributions were really significant. Mine probably yielded a single wiper blade replacement on a winter gravel spreading truck. I suppose it all adds up.
 
Lakerhater said:
SeattleBobcat said:
TxGriz said:
Live by the sword, die by the sword. Obama's justice department turns on one the most liberal institutions out there in 'liberal/progressive' land.

How deliciously ironic. Karma can be a bitch.
I bet you blame Obama for everything huh? I glad he's the only president we've ever had and we don't have a separate legislative branch that passes laws... you should probably try to rub those 2 brains cells you have left together and come up with a coherent thought.

You're the typical Obama apologist; anyone who says anything negative regarding the current regime gets attacked and ridiculed; with that said...... if you would use your one brain cell, you'd realize the last eight years BO has caused more division amongst the citizens of this country than any other president in our nation's history. So F'hawk off !!! Take your change and shove it.

I believe presidents tend to get too much blame when things go sour, and too much credit when things go right -- especially on big issues like the economy or foreign affairs. This applies to both Republicans and Democrats.

But I think the Obama administration deserves considerable blame for this whole national fiasco over the handling of sexual assault cases on college campuses due the appointment of hard-core ideologues who created it. You can go to a web site like http://www.mindingthecampus.com and find dozens of examples of college bureaucrats abusing the due process rights of students. You can also find example after example of students who have had their due-process rights abused by colleges being awarded large sums of compensatory damages. Most likely Jordy Johnson will soon be added to that list.

As Reason writer Robby Soave has said: "Whatever the faults of the criminal justice system, it is nevertheless the case that rape is too serious a matter to be left in the hands of academics. Unfortunately, colleges will continue to feel obligated to play games with students' futures as along as bureaucrats at the federal government's Office for Civil Rights remain unconstrained."
http://reason.com/blog/2015/03/16/brown-u-botched-a-rape-case-so-badly-tha

Instead of backing down in the face of all this criticism and evidence of incompentence, the administration a year ago made a huge increase in the budget of the Office of Civil Rights. Scary stuff.

http://reason.com/blog/2015/02/03/obama-budget-includes-more-money-for-age
 
SoldierGriz said:
grizonbob said:
HookedonGriz said:
wbtfg said:
So is Royce going to take this settlement money out of the athletics budget?

8-)

Out of your taxes actually. The state of MT pays this. The specific fund its coming from was listed in the article.

This money comes out of the state's risk management funds, I believe. All state agencies pay into that fund, as I understand it, just to cover themselves if they are sued. Much like you or I get liability coverage when we buy car insurance.

The state has no money that is not your money. Is this not true?

Bingo. That's where the money originates.
 
SoldierGriz said:
CDAGRIZ said:
SoldierGriz said:
grizonbob said:
This money comes out of the state's risk management funds, I believe. All state agencies pay into that fund, as I understand it, just to cover themselves if they are sued. Much like you or I get liability coverage when we buy car insurance.

The state has no money that is not your money. Is this not true?

I think they spent my tuition and income tax revenue long ago on a space heater and a half rack of Schmidt.

Wow. Your contributions were really significant. Mine probably yielded a single wiper blade replacement on a winter gravel spreading truck. I suppose it all adds up.

It's the thought that counts, SG.
 
Montanamike, we probably crossed paths. I was at 420 Hartman (the yellow house) from 90-93 in first Apt. 2 on the right and then #3 up above--I moved from #2 when my girl friend dumped me in '91 upon her graduation, since she practically lived with me, I was pretty depressed and greatly missed her female companionship when she left, or to quote Shakespeare, I missed "making the beast with two backs !!!"

My landlord was a great old Montanan and American: WWII vet that I am sure is now gone--God bless him.

And my neighbor was a great guy that had been an Army paratrooper and dog handler in Vietnam that at times had really bad PTSD from 'Nam--he too was ( and hopefully is still alive) a great Montanan and American. He kidded me about being a Jarhead (Marine) and I him about being a "doggie," Army soldier. He had a huge German Shepherd, "Gunther" that was extremely well trained.

If you're going to a home game this fall, I'll buy you a beer at The MO Club--PM me, if you want.
 
Pretty sure Kato is putting another more personal article (about Johnson and the court case) in print soon. Looks to be a different side of the Missoulian....if they let him.
 
grizliver said:
I hate lawyers, that is why I encouraged my daughter to be one, just got accepted to UM law school for the fall.

Congratulations to her and you! I wish her the best.
 
gotgame75 said:
Attorneys usually get 30-40% (~33%) for settlements, depending on the agreement with the client. Has been that way since I can remember, so I don't know what you mean by "nowadays". Everybody bitches about attorneys until they need one.
with fewer lawyers writing laws that make it necessary to hire an attorney, we wouldn't need lawyers. They are parasites of the first order.
 
:clap:
SeattleBobcat said:
TxGriz said:
Live by the sword, die by the sword. Obama's justice department turns on one the most liberal institutions out there in 'liberal/progressive' land.

How deliciously ironic. Karma can be a bitch.
I bet you blame Obama for everything huh? I glad he's the only president we've ever had and we don't have a separate legislative branch that passes laws... you should probably try to rub those 2 brains cells you have left together and come up with a coherent thought.
 
dupuyer griz said:
Grizbeer said:
mtgrizrule said:
There are way too many crooks and liars in politics these days. It is damn near impossible to get enough honest politicians in office to make a positive impact for US citizens. I wonder what our forefathers are thinking these days? They have to be ashamed, upset, frustrated, and disappointed in our current political model we live by these days. I better leave it at that. By the way, I am not a democrat or republican. Just a believer that the system is broken.
I don't want to get too much into politics, but this statement coming exactly 215 years to the day that the US House of Representatives, on their 36th try, voted Jefferson and Burr into office is too much irony to pass up. You do remember Aaron Burr, right? As VP he presided over the first ever impeachment trial of a Supreme Court Justice Chase because he let his political feelings show through his court rulings? while VP he shot and killed former VP Alexander Hamilton in a duel borne out of political rivalry? Was later charged with treason? I think our forefathers would be proud that we are able to have peaceful elections and changes of government. As far as the honest of politicians these days vs anytime int eh past, you might want to research Montana's own Senator W Clark. the more things change the more they have stayed the same.
I have to be honest, I kind of wish some of the politicians would have duels. It would set the pecking order a little better and keep people from running their mouth so much. Probably would help people work together a lot better...
If you could see firsthand what is happening down here, in the Midlands of South Carolina, you might be ducking for cover. This election is totally out of control..disgusting. I have over 20 robocalls on a landline just today.
 
"Given the issues concerning Mr. Johnson and the victim...." ~ Dale Crockell

I guess I am curious at what point is a supposed victim considered an alleged victim as opposed to ....."the victim." Not sure what is politically correct. "Alleged" rape on M trail today and was referred to as such on television news. The reporter also said "alleged victim." (Not implying the allegations from what happened today aren't true and accurate, just that no one has admitted guilt that I am aware of or been proven guilty in a court) and the anchorman reflected such. So Johnson is found not guilty, he is awarded a (small as far as I'm concerned) settlement yet the states lawyer still refers to the accuser as "the victim." Maybe I'm overthinking things.

My personal opinion is Johnson is innocent, not just "not guilty" but innocent (at least of the charges against him) but there is really only two people that know the truth. From a professional standpoint I would think it is only fair that the states lawyer at this point quit referring to the accuser as "the victim." Maybe she is, maybe she isn't but he could also refer to Johnson as "the victim" as it is just as possible he is.


State lawyer: UM disagrees with Johnson's allegations, but opted to settle

KEILA SZPALLER [email protected]

A lawyer representing the state said Wednesday the University of Montana disagrees with the allegations made by former Grizzlies quarterback Jordan Johnson about how campus officials handled rape accusations against him.

However, attorney Dale Cockrell said the state opted to settle the dispute in the interest of all parties rather than do battle. The state Department of Administration's Risk Management and Tort Defense Division will pay the former UM student $245,000.

"Given the issues concerning Mr. Johnson and the victim, it was in everybody's best interest to try to resolve this matter if we could, as opposed to litigating it," said Cockrell, a lawyer hired to handle the case for the state.

Lawyer David Paoli, who represents Johnson, questioned the state's disagreement over the claims considering President Royce Engstrom has apologized to the Johnson family. Paoli said the president apologized in person to the family, but the lawyer could not immediately provide details of the apology or a statement late Wednesday.

UM vice president for integrated communications Peggy Kuhr declined comment on the president's apology: "The University and the president have no response to any statements about the legal settlement."

In 2013, a jury acquitted Johnson of sexual intercourse without consent in Missoula County District Court.

UM officials found Johnson breached the student conduct code, but in the dispute with the state, Johnson argued the Montana University System, UM and its officers violated his due process and civil rights. The case named Engstrom, former Dean of Students Charles Couture and former legal counsel David Aronofsky.

In an earlier statement provided through Paoli, Johnson said any student accused of wrongdoing deserves a fair and impartial hearing.

“Officials at the University of Montana – people who were in positions of great power – were unfair and biased. Their misconduct made my family and me suffer unnecessarily, both emotionally and financially,” Johnson wrote.

***

Last spring, Doubleday released a book about campus rape by author and investigative journalist Jon Krakauer titled "Missoula: Rape and the Justice System in a College Town." The book discusses the Johnson case and questions the outcome of the disciplinary proceeding against him.

In a separate case headed to a hearing before the Montana Supreme Court, Krakauer demands that Commissioner Clay Christian in the Montana Office of the Commissioner of Higher Education release disciplinary records related to Johnson and rape allegations.

Court records show university proceedings found Johnson guilty of violating the conduct code. Johnson appealed, and Krakauer alleges the commissioner used an inappropriate legal standard to reverse the determination – and prevent Johnson's expulsion.


The best-selling author argues the public has a right to know the reason Johnson wasn't expelled, and the commissioner as an officer who holds the public trust is obligated to share the records.

In a statement provided through his lawyer Mike Meloy, Krakauer said he doesn't know if the settlement with Johnson will affect his pending case.

"But it underscores the need for open records," Krakauer said. "People have a right to know why the expulsion of Johnson was overturned, and why Montana taxpayers will now be paying him a quarter of a million dollars in the bargain.

"I am confident that if/when the records I want are unsealed, they will show that the university was more than fair to Johnson, and was shamefully unfair to his victim, all because Johnson could throw a football well."

The state has argued the records are private. Kevin McRae, deputy commissioner of communications for the Montana Office of the Commissioner of Higher Education, said Wednesday that he does not believe the payout to Johnson will affect the public records case.


"The United States government has filed a clearly worded brief in this case that says disciplinary records are student records, and if a request for student records is made by name, the records cannot be released by an educational organization," McRae said.

"As long as Mr. Meloy and his client, Mr. Krakauer, are at odds with the Department of Justice on that important point of fact, I cannot envision how the settlement ... may affect Mr. Krakauer's zeal to obtain and sell student records."

Johnson is not party to the case Krakauer filed against the commissioner of higher education. However, lawyer Paoli said he is familiar with the records in question, and he believes "the information contained in them is absolutely the opposite to what Krakauer claims is in them."

“We will not engage in the rank speculation that the out-of-state author who writes factually inaccurate and slanted books for profit uses to sell his books," Paoli said in a statement. "Krakauer has already admitted that he possesses documents that he knows he should not possess. It concerns me greatly that he is using the Montana Supreme Court to legitimize his improper possession of these documents."

Krakauer countered that if Paoli's claims about the content of the records are true, he should help make them public.

"Paoli’s claim that I already possess, or have seen, any of the documents I requested from the commissioner is nonsense," Krakauer said. "If I had them I wouldn’t have spent the last two years in court fighting tooth and nail get them.

"My confidence that the records in question will show the university’s handling of the Johnson case was unfair to his victim is based on the fact that the U.S. Department of Justice explicitly stated it was unfair to her in the DOJ report about the the university’s handling of sexual assault cases, which was released to the public in 2013.

"If Paoli really believes the records I am seeking show that the university investigation was unfair to Johnson, he should do everyone a favor and simply give the commissioner permission to unseal the records right now, without waiting for the Supreme Court to rule on my petition."
 
SeattleBobcat said:
TxGriz said:
Live by the sword, die by the sword. Obama's justice department turns on one the most liberal institutions out there in 'liberal/progressive' land.

How deliciously ironic. Karma can be a bitch.
I bet you blame Obama for everything huh? I glad he's the only president we've ever had and we don't have a separate legislative branch that passes laws... you should probably try to rub those 2 brains cells you have left together and come up with a coherent thought.

I bet you are a knee jerk liberal, and if I have only two brain cells left, that leave me with 100% more than you. I specifically was pointing out an issue of a political agenda within the Obama Justice department. The department of justice is a cabinet post for the top legal authority of ALL the people, not the president's personal political lawyer and spin doctor, as we learned back in the days of Watergate and one John Mitchell.

This story is about a $225,00 settlement from a defamation lawsuit that was spawned by political hysteria. And to think how my history professors back in the last century never wasted a second to demagogue the plight of Sacco & Vanzetti, or any other innocent people railroaded into kangaroo courtroom situation at the hands of mob hysteria) The Duke Lacrosse players, the Rolling Stone article, the so-called UVA "rape" case, Krakauer prostituting it all for financial gain (hey I thought hippies hated 'capitalists'). As I said, "how deliciously ironic".
 
horribilisfan8184 said:
ranco said:
I'm sure Krakwhore is in utter disgust over the settlement but it raises an interesting point in regards to his request for the school records. If Jordy had filed suit, then he likely would have waived his right to keep his student records confidential and they would have been aired to the public. I'm sure he and the University were aware of this. By settling on the threat of litigation, makes me think the University was much more concerned about the release of the records than Jordy. I'm sure those records would show (confirm) that Jordy was railroaded by a kangaroo court and further show the incompetency of Engstrom, et al.

If so, why wouldn't Jordy just waive privacy to the records?

I think the question is why would he release them? For Krakauer to further profit from them? If he agreed to release them he knows that Krakauer would ignore any of the substatnive facts and continue write a biased fictional account of the case. Maybe Ole Kracky should have paid Jordy a couple Million dollars for the records.
 
signedbewildered said:
"I am confident that if/when the records I want are unsealed, they will show that the university was more than fair to Johnson, and was shamefully unfair to his victim, all because Johnson could throw a football well."
The sexual predator in this case was the alleged "victim." Krakauer's politics prevents him from telling that part of the story. And, that's the whole story. That's the anger-making part of this whole fiasco. Having been the victim of a spoiled and angry brat, JJ is now the victim of a sensationalist author, not content to see the destruction that false charges create, attempting to rescue a political narrative from the wholesale fiasco created by Engstrom and the Missoulian, which continues to resonate today at the University with cutbacks and continued job losses triggered by all this.

People and families are losing their livelihoods because of the PC politics that infected this from the get-go.

Tar.

Feathers.
 
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