JJ Defense Fund

[PTGrizzly]

Assuming JJ wins, they can get the plaintiffs to pay for the prosecution fees, correct?

 

[msuhunter]

Did I say something incorrect?

Yes. 1:Every attorney in Montana has an ethical requirement to provide at least 50 hours of pro bono services per year. Pro Bono can occur in numerous ways, including free, reduced rates, set fee, etc. Jordan Johnson is guaranteed the right to counsel by the Constitution, and he does not lose the right, including 2:the right to have pro bono representation, just because he plays football. Stating that Johnson would be receiving "improper benefits" if Paoli is doing this pro bono is incorrect.

As for MSU Hunter's statement, every criminal defendant is entitled to counsel. The defense counsel's job is take the evidence presented and argue his client's position, the prosecution does the same, and the jury decides the facts. Both counsel want to win, but if both did their job arguing their client's respective positions to the best of their ability, they can both walk away feeling that justice was served regardless of the outcome. That's our system, and 3:to state only "innocent" people are entitled to pro bono services under it is asinine.

1: They are not required to do any pro bono work
2: No one has the right to pro bono representation -- that would be involuntary servitude
3: I never made that statement, but I'm sure its very easy to craft counter arguments when you make up what other said.

 

[msuhunter]

Assuming JJ wins, they can get the plaintiffs to pay for the prosecution fees, correct?

No :roll: ... wow ...

 

[NorthwestFresh]

Assuming JJ wins, they can get the plaintiffs to pay for the prosecution fees, correct?

This is a CRIMINAL trial. The state is not going to pay his legal fees. :roll:

 

[Brock Landers]

I like the adds that are showing up over here now :lol: :lol:

You do know Google Adsense personalizes ads for the person and not the website, right?? :lol: :lol:

What a dumbass :lol:

Would make sense though, seeing as how he spends 5-20 hours a day obsessing over all things Griz

 

[Sportin' Life]

Assuming JJ wins, they can get the plaintiffs to pay for the prosecution fees, correct?

He could have opted for free representation paid for by the county.

 

[PTGrizzly]

Assuming JJ wins, they can get the plaintiffs to pay for the prosecution fees, correct?

This is a CRIMINAL trial. The state is not going to pay his legal fees. :roll:

Oh. My mistake then. I would thank you for the right answer, but you were a douche about it, so I won't.

 

[br fan]

Did I say something incorrect?

Yes. Every attorney in Montana has an ethical requirement to provide at least 50 hours of pro bono services per year. Pro Bono can occur in numerous ways, including free, reduced rates, set fee, etc. Jordan Johnson is guaranteed the right to counsel by the Constitution, and he does not lose the right, including the right to have pro bono representation, just because he plays football. Stating that Johnson would be receiving "improper benefits" if Paoli is doing this pro bono is incorrect.

As for MSU Hunter's statement, every criminal defendant is entitled to counsel. The defense counsel's job is take the evidence presented and argue his client's position, the prosecution does the same, and the jury decides the facts. Both counsel want to win, but if both did their job arguing their client's respective positions to the best of their ability, they can both walk away feeling that justice was served regardless of the outcome. That's our system, and to state only "innocent" people are entitled to pro bono services under it is asinine.

That's not what I said. Do you think Paoli has spent only 50 hours on this case?

Next.

I should have said "at least."

Next

 

[br fan]

Did I say something incorrect?

Yes. 1:Every attorney in Montana has an ethical requirement to provide at least 50 hours of pro bono services per year. Pro Bono can occur in numerous ways, including free, reduced rates, set fee, etc. Jordan Johnson is guaranteed the right to counsel by the Constitution, and he does not lose the right, including 2:the right to have pro bono representation, just because he plays football. Stating that Johnson would be receiving "improper benefits" if Paoli is doing this pro bono is incorrect.

As for MSU Hunter's statement, every criminal defendant is entitled to counsel. The defense counsel's job is take the evidence presented and argue his client's position, the prosecution does the same, and the jury decides the facts. Both counsel want to win, but if both did their job arguing their client's respective positions to the best of their ability, they can both walk away feeling that justice was served regardless of the outcome. That's our system, and 3:to state only "innocent" people are entitled to pro bono services under it is asinine.

1: They are not required to do any pro bono work
2: No one has the right to pro bono representation -- that would be involuntary servitude
3: I never made that statement, but I'm sure its very easy to craft counter arguments when you make up what other said.

If I misinterpreted what you stated why don't you explain what you actually meant?

 

[NorthwestFresh]

Assuming JJ wins, they can get the plaintiffs to pay for the prosecution fees, correct?

This is a CRIMINAL trial. The state is not going to pay his legal fees. :roll:

Oh. My mistake then. I would thank you for the right answer, but you were a douche about it, so I won't.

Well OK then. I will be more subtle with my eye roll next time. I assumed everybody posting here was a legal expert who knew what the outcome of the trial should be. I said that in a baby voice...

 

[GrizPony]

Has anyone proposed a defense fund set up to help Jordan Johnson and his family out? I would donate to that before I would to the University until he gets himself and his parents out from under the obligation for his defense costs.

Just wait until the not guilty rolls in and the sights are set on the U, the money problem will all be taken care of then.

Please enlighten me as to what the U's liability would be. JJ has been accused of Rape, a Felony. Do you really think they would allow him to be on the football team before guilt or innocence is decided? He is lucky he was allowed to remain in school.

It is because of the way the U handled the student conduct court hearing. Massive due process violations and that kooky document the Constitution even applies to big time U officials, or so they will soon learn. Why do you think so many involved in that shitshow are now "retired", "retiring", or "re-assigned"? Why is JJ still in school when he was "unanimously" expelled? Think it through.....

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Okay, I am thinking. And still not able to understand how damages would be assessed. Help me out.

 

[Sportin' Life]

Okay, I am thinking. And still not able to understand how damages would be assessed. Help me out.

There are no damages. Johnson does not have a constitutional right to play football or even attend UM. The fact that he is still attending school (under scholarship!) means that there are absolutely no damages that have been done to him. All this blather is just that.

 

[TxGriz]

isn't donating to a rapist* a bit ... slimey ... ??? ....
















*alleged

This guy has all it takes to be a reporter for the MSM or the Missoulian.

 

[TxGriz]

Okay, I am thinking. And still not able to understand how damages would be assessed. Help me out.

There are no damages. Johnson does not have a constitutional right to play football or even attend UM. The fact that he is still attending school (under scholarship!) means that there are absolutely no damages that have been done to him. All this blather is just that.

If there was a way to prove that he has been defamed, but that would require circumstances like the Duke Lacrosse players case where they were able to prove prosecutorial misconduct which resulted in disbarment of the District Attorney. I don't see any cause of action like that here, just a flake accuser that hid behind the societal prejudice that favors the accuser and places the burden of proof on the accused in all things sexual nowadays.

Sadly, this was just the combination of unfortunate circumstances that came together to form the perfect storm. The saga of Tiger Woods shows what temptations are out there for a 20 something males that achieves a degree of celebrity in athletics. JJ got bitten by riding the Tiger of college football at a time of a wave of negative publicity and found out what can happen when the Tiger gets hungry.

 

[Cats2506]

I like the adds that are showing up over here now :lol: :lol:

You do know Google Adsense personalizes ads for the person and not the website, right?? :lol: :lol:

You do understand that adsense does that by analyzing the content of the current and past few websites you have read, which means that after browsing a few pages over here on e-fizz that adds like the one above show up.

 

[spokaneman]

. I don't see any cause of action like that here,

just a flake accuser that hid behind the societal prejudice that favors the accuser

and places the burden of proof on the accused in all things sexual nowadays.

Sadly, this was just the combination of unfortunate circumstances that came together to form the perfect storm.

The saga of Tiger Woods shows what temptations are out there for a 20 something males that achieves a degree of celebrity in athletics

.

So..... you honestly think this "accuser" found ANY societal prejudice that favored her in Missoula? Just read this forum and keep hitting that bong!!

by TEMPTATIONS you mean seeing a desirable girl and RAPING HER (allegedly)????... you have a sick view on things....

 

[grizatwork]

. I don't see any cause of action like that here,

just a flake accuser that hid behind the societal prejudice that favors the accuser

and places the burden of proof on the accused in all things sexual nowadays.

Sadly, this was just the combination of unfortunate circumstances that came together to form the perfect storm.

The saga of Tiger Woods shows what temptations are out there for a 20 something males that achieves a degree of celebrity in athletics

.

So..... you honestly think this "accuser" found ANY societal prejudice that favored her in Missoula? Just read this forum and keep hitting that bong!!

by TEMPTATIONS you mean seeing a desirable girl and RAPING HER (allegedly)????... you have a sick view on things....

I am not defending either the girl nor JJ, but do you really believe that there was not some sort of societal pressure to do something in Missoula last year? With the rumor and innuendo about possible gang rapes. Donaldson's assault. The Barz report. The Saudi student. The DOJ, the DOE, and the NCAA investigations. I am not going to say whether it would have been prosecuted or not, but even you have to admit that there was a microscope on the police and the prosecuters office. Whether that had to do with filing charges is purely speculation. Egriz is not a mirror of what the environment was or is in Missoula. It is a message board populated by largely unreasonable fans. "The societal prejudice in Missoula" as you put it, probably did favor her.

 

[spokaneman]

. I don't see any cause of action like that here,

just a flake accuser that hid behind the societal prejudice that favors the accuser

and places the burden of proof on the accused in all things sexual nowadays.

Sadly, this was just the combination of unfortunate circumstances that came together to form the perfect storm.

The saga of Tiger Woods shows what temptations are out there for a 20 something males that achieves a degree of celebrity in athletics

.

So..... you honestly think this "accuser" found ANY societal prejudice that favored her in Missoula? Just read this forum and keep hitting that bong!!

by TEMPTATIONS you mean seeing a desirable girl and RAPING HER (allegedly)????... you have a sick view on things....

I am not defending either the girl nor JJ, but do you really believe that there was not some sort of societal pressure to do something in Missoula last year? With the rumor and innuendo about possible gang rapes. Donaldson's assault. The Barz report. The Saudi student. The DOJ, the DOE, and the NCAA investigations. I am not going to say whether it would have been prosecuted or not, but even you have to admit that there was a microscope on the police and the prosecuters office..

I noticed you typed Donaldsons ASSULT... HE RAPED A GIRL!!! I guess that was another example of your "societal prejudice" that somehow justifies the actions of these "athletes"....

And Of Course the community that is Missoula was TRIED of the antics of the University and their "representatives". Just look at your list above of NON-ACTION items.... A young lady filed RAPE CHARGES, the medical community confirmed that a POSSIBLE RAPE occurred, the local Law Enforcement concluded that a POSSIBLE RAPE occurred.. Under such circumstances, ANY "society" would bring it to this stage... That is what a SOCIETY does when enough within that SOCIETY demand changes... Someone suggested earlier that JJ was not completely innocent.. well it is up to the SOCIETY to determine the extent of either the guilt of innocence...

 

[grizatwork]

. I don't see any cause of action like that here, and places the burden of proof on the accused in all things sexual nowadays.

Sadly, this was just the combination of unfortunate circumstances that came together to form the perfect storm. .

So..... you honestly think this "accuser" found ANY societal prejudice that favored her in Missoula? Just read this forum and keep hitting that bong!!

by TEMPTATIONS you mean seeing a desirable girl and RAPING HER (allegedly)????... you have a sick view on things....

I am not defending either the girl nor JJ, but do you really believe that there was not some sort of societal pressure to do something in Missoula last year? With the rumor and innuendo about possible gang rapes. Donaldson's assault. The Barz report. The Saudi student. The DOJ, the DOE, and the NCAA investigations. I am not going to say whether it would have been prosecuted or not, but even you have to admit that there was a microscope on the police and the prosecuters office..

I noticed you typed Donaldsons ASSULT... HE RAPED A GIRL!!! I guess that was another example of your "societal prejudice" that somehow justifies the actions of these "athletes"....

And Of Course the community that is Missoula was TRIED of the antics of the University and their "representatives". Just look at your list above of NON-ACTION items.... A young lady filed RAPE CHARGES, the medical community confirmed that a POSSIBLE RAPE occurred, the local Law Enforcement concluded that a POSSIBLE RAPE occurred.. Under such circumstances, ANY "society" would bring it to this stage... That is what a SOCIETY does when enough within that SOCIETY demand changes... Someone suggested earlier that JJ was not completely innocent.. well it is up to the SOCIETY to determine the extent of either the guilt of innocence...

I don't think rape is a legal term. I believe it is sexual assualt or sexual intercourse without consent. That is why I used that term. I agree that there was a dark cloud around the university and the athletic department. I am not arguing that at all. In fact, I will never justify any bad behavior by athletes simpley because they are athletes. I expect them to be held to the same standard as every other student or citizen in the SOCIETY. I am not determining guilt or innocence. That is the juries job. I was just stating that there was indeed a severe anti-athlete backlash present in the community and that there were in fact extra variables present (DOJ and DOE). I think there are people on both sides that are way too invested in this process. I said yesterday, that we have some screwed up priorities if people not directly involved in the case have this much emotion wrapped up in whether he is guilty or innocent.