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Ivy League Cancels Winter Sports

PlayerRep

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The Ivy presidents are such wimps. Football won't be played in the spring either. I think their underlying goal is to weaken and eliminate sports in the Ivies.

"Presidents from the league’s eight schools met earlier this week and made the decision unanimously. They also decided that they wouldn’t try to play any of the already-cancelled fall sports, such as football, this spring."

https://sports.yahoo.com/ivy-league-first-cancel-winter-235744182.html
 
PlayerRep said:
The Ivy presidents are such wimps. Football won't be played in the spring either. I think their underlying goal is to weaken and eliminate sports in the Ivies.

"Presidents from the league’s eight schools met earlier this week and made the decision unanimously. They also decided that they wouldn’t try to play any of the already-cancelled fall sports, such as football, this spring."

https://sports.yahoo.com/ivy-league-first-cancel-winter-235744182.html

Maybe the Ivy presidents are realists. Maybe they look at science and projections. The reality is that Covid cases, both infections and deaths are increasing at alarming rates. The country is running short of hospital staff and hospital beds. Projections are for 40,000 more deaths in the next 3 weeks, and 200,000 more deaths by March 1, 2021.

There are some promising vaccine possibilities, but there are questions of efficacy and long-term side effects, especially for children. Wide-spread vaccine availability is still many months away.

Closer to home, Montana has one of the highest spike rates in Covid in the Nation, and is surpassing our neighbors in Washington. MSU has announced no fans in attendance for Men's and Women's basketball this season. Will UM and the BSC follow their lead? Will there be a Spring football season?
 
maroonandsilver said:
PlayerRep said:
The Ivy presidents are such wimps. Football won't be played in the spring either. I think their underlying goal is to weaken and eliminate sports in the Ivies.

"Presidents from the league’s eight schools met earlier this week and made the decision unanimously. They also decided that they wouldn’t try to play any of the already-cancelled fall sports, such as football, this spring."

https://sports.yahoo.com/ivy-league-first-cancel-winter-235744182.html

Maybe the Ivy presidents are realists. Maybe they look at science and projections. The reality is that Covid cases, both infections and deaths are increasing at alarming rates. The country is running short of hospital staff and hospital beds. Projections are for 40,000 more deaths in the next 3 weeks, and 200,000 more deaths by March 1, 2021.

There are some promising vaccine possibilities, but there are questions of efficacy and long-term side effects, especially for children. Wide-spread vaccine availability is still many months away.

Closer to home, Montana has one of the highest spike rates in Covid in the Nation, and is surpassing our neighbors in Washington. MSU has announced no fans in attendance for Men's and Women's basketball this season. Will UM and the BSC follow their lead? Will there be a Spring football season?

Maybe.

But I still say they are wimps.

What evidence is there that cancelling winter sports and not allowing falls sports to be played in the spring will help control covid spread in any material amount?

Yes, there are lots of promising vaccines.

What's your support for this statement? "there are questions of efficacy and long-term side effects, especially for children"

Yes, it will take say 6 months or so to get the vaccine or vaccines widely disseminated.

No fans is far different than cancelling seasons.

Yes, Bullock and MT have failed to take advantage of the good hand he was dealt, and good start with covid, and let it get away. He is only partly at fault. I heard that MT currently has only 5% of the necessary contact tracers. What's up with that? Where is the State on this? Why isn't Bullock enforcing his directives better? Why isn't the State supporting and protecting elder care homes, jails and Indian reservations better?

Most Ivy presidents don't care about sports. They don't even like them. Just tolerate them. Look at their views on FCS playoffs. They don't want to allow athletes on campus for practice and play, when the campuses are not fully open to all classes and all students.
 
PlayerRep said:
maroonandsilver said:
Maybe the Ivy presidents are realists. Maybe they look at science and projections. The reality is that Covid cases, both infections and deaths are increasing at alarming rates. The country is running short of hospital staff and hospital beds. Projections are for 40,000 more deaths in the next 3 weeks, and 200,000 more deaths by March 1, 2021.

There are some promising vaccine possibilities, but there are questions of efficacy and long-term side effects, especially for children. Wide-spread vaccine availability is still many months away.

Closer to home, Montana has one of the highest spike rates in Covid in the Nation, and is surpassing our neighbors in Washington. MSU has announced no fans in attendance for Men's and Women's basketball this season. Will UM and the BSC follow their lead? Will there be a Spring football season?

Maybe.

But I still say they are wimps.

What evidence is there that cancelling winter sports and not allowing falls sports to be played in the spring will help control covid spread in any material amount?

Yes, there are lots of promising vaccines.

What's your support for this statement? "there are questions of efficacy and long-term side effects, especially for children"

Yes, it will take say 6 months or so to get the vaccine or vaccines widely disseminated.

No fans is far different than cancelling seasons.

Yes, Bullock and MT have failed to take advantage of the good hand he was dealt, and good start with covid, and let it get away. He is only partly at fault. I heard that MT currently has only 5% of the necessary contact tracers. What's up with that? Where is the State on this? Why isn't Bullock enforcing his directives better? Why isn't the State supporting and protecting elder care homes, jails and Indian reservations better?

Most Ivy presidents don't care about sports. They don't even like them. Just tolerate them. Look at their views on FCS playoffs. They don't want to allow athletes on campus for practice and play, when the campuses are not fully open to all classes and all students.
Uhm, why do you constantly post material about the Ivy League here rather then on Ivy League boards back East where at least the “whimps” could read about it. Is it because you don’t want to upset your fellow ivy leaguers so you complain about them here? That seems kinda whimpy.
 
Jesse said:
PlayerRep said:
Maybe.

But I still say they are wimps.

What evidence is there that cancelling winter sports and not allowing falls sports to be played in the spring will help control covid spread in any material amount?

Yes, there are lots of promising vaccines.

What's your support for this statement? "there are questions of efficacy and long-term side effects, especially for children"

Yes, it will take say 6 months or so to get the vaccine or vaccines widely disseminated.

No fans is far different than cancelling seasons.

Yes, Bullock and MT have failed to take advantage of the good hand he was dealt, and good start with covid, and let it get away. He is only partly at fault. I heard that MT currently has only 5% of the necessary contact tracers. What's up with that? Where is the State on this? Why isn't Bullock enforcing his directives better? Why isn't the State supporting and protecting elder care homes, jails and Indian reservations better?

Most Ivy presidents don't care about sports. They don't even like them. Just tolerate them. Look at their views on FCS playoffs. They don't want to allow athletes on campus for practice and play, when the campuses are not fully open to all classes and all students.
Uhm, why do you constantly post material about the Ivy League here rather then on Ivy League boards back East where at least the “whimps” could read about it. Is it because you don’t want to upset your fellow ivy leaguers so you complain about them here? That seems kinda whimpy.

Because I am posting these things so that people on egriz read it. I'm not trying to communicate with the Ivy presidents via posts on a message board. I call or email the the presidents directly when I want to communicate with them.

Why are you afraid to post under your normal name? You signed up under this name on Nov. 5. Yet, you "know" that I post about the Ivy League and its presidents. Seems suspicious. Would you agree?
 
First time caller, long time listener. No one else gives a rip about the ivies other then you who brags about playing for Amherst or someplace like that. We all get it because you let us know how you’re some kinda big accountant and athletic donor so you think you are more relevant then current students or alum of UM. You are not you are just like anyone else with an opinion, which are like assholes, everyone has got one. don’t bother responding if you can help yourself because no one else who reads this board cares about the ivies.
 
Jesse said:
First time caller, long time listener. No one else gives a rip about the ivies other then you who brags about playing for Amherst or someplace like that. We all get it because you let us know how you’re some kinda big accountant and athletic donor so you think you are more relevant then current students or alum of UM. You are not you are just like anyone else with an opinion, which are like assholes, everyone has got one. don’t bother responding if you can help yourself because no one else who reads this board cares about the ivies.
I do.
 
Spanky2 said:
Jesse said:
First time caller, long time listener. No one else gives a rip about the ivies other then you who brags about playing for Amherst or someplace like that. We all get it because you let us know how you’re some kinda big accountant and athletic donor so you think you are more relevant then current students or alum of UM. You are not you are just like anyone else with an opinion, which are like assholes, everyone has got one. don’t bother responding if you can help yourself because no one else who reads this board cares about the ivies.
I do.
Okay there’s 2 of ya my bad. Where did you go Brown or Tufts?
 
maroonandsilver said:
Jesse said:
Okay there’s 2 of ya my bad. Where did you go Brown or Tufts?

Or maybe Vassar or Bryn Mawr?

What just a doggone minute, do the the seven sisters even play football? Playerrep will let us all know I’m sure lol
 
Jesse said:
First time caller, long time listener. No one else gives a rip about the ivies other then you who brags about playing for Amherst or someplace like that. We all get it because you let us know how you’re some kinda big accountant and athletic donor so you think you are more relevant then current students or alum of UM. You are not you are just like anyone else with an opinion, which are like assholes, everyone has got one. don’t bother responding if you can help yourself because no one else who reads this board cares about the ivies.

First time "caller"?

See this 1987 Sports Illustrated article:

"It was the cradle of football, and a number of its players have excelled in the NFL—Calvin Hill, Ed Marinaro, Gary Fencik and Nick Lowery," [Also, George Starke of Columbia, an eventual WA Redskins Hog, Hank Bjorklund of Princeton, Don Martin of Yale]

"One thing you certainly don't expect in the Ivy League is a nationally ranked team, but that's what coach Bob Black-man fielded at Dartmouth in 1970. That year Dartmouth was undefeated and untied, producing such outstanding stats that it was ranked 14th in both the AP and UPI final polls, ahead of Oklahoma, Penn State and Southern Cal. Dartmouth's 9-0 record included six shutouts—four in a row to end the season. Among major colleges that year Dartmouth ranked second in total defense and sixth in total offense, and led the country in scoring defense."

"Nevertheless, when Dartmouth was awarded the Lambert Trophy as the best team in the East, Penn State coach Joe Paterno felt obliged to register a tongue-in-cheek protest. Paterno suggested—through the press—that Dartmouth and Penn State play each other to determine which was really the top Eastern team. Responded Blackman, "Of course, Coach Paterno knows that under Ivy League rules we're not allowed to play in a postseason game, but if we were allowed to play a postseason contest, I would prefer to play a team that had a better record," a dig at the Nittany Lions' 7-3."

https://vault.si.com/vault/1987/08/31/a-big-year-for-big-green

"Game of the Year of the Day, 1970: Dartmouth 10, Yale 0" - picked as one of 50 best games of all-time

"The matchup: Dartmouth (5-0) at Yale (5-0)

The stakes: The Ivy League title, an AP ranking, and, potentially, the Lambert Trophy for best team in the East. Other than that, just a normal Saturday in the northeast.

The back story: At the turn of the 1970s, Bob Blackman had turned Dartmouth into an elite or nearly elite football program. From 50 Best*:

Blackman was thorough and innovative. He was an early adopter of Clark Shaughnessy’s V-formation, a wishbone predecessor in which the fullback lined up a little bit ahead of the halfbacks in the typical T-formation. He was organized and ambitious in his recruiting practices, opening up the Dartmouth umbrella to include most of the country and creating a national network as a talent base. He was miles ahead of the game from a scouting perspective, using computers to spot play tendencies long before most realized this was even an option.

Put it all together, and Dartmouth was bigger, stronger, more talented, and more well-prepared than any other team in the Ivy League.

In 1970, quarterback Jim Chasey was capable of posting big numbers with his arm and did enough to win the Asa Bushnell Cup (awarded to the Ivy League’s most outstanding player), but he only got so many chances because most games were over after two or three quarters. Halfback John Short was steady and reliable, and the Dartmouth defense was untouchable. Rover back Murry Bowden, safety Willie Bogan, and defensive lineman Barry Brink all landed on 1970’s All-East team, and sophomore end Fred Radke quickly came into his own.

To top things off, the Indians were great in special teams: Tim Copper was the best punt returner in the country this side of Nebraska’s Johnny Rodgers, and Wayne Pirmann was one of the country’s more reliable place-kickers.

Now came the biggest test for the big green: Carmen Cozza’s Yale squad. Cozza was 23-3-1 over the last three years, and his Eli would dominate most of the 1970s. And his 1970 squad would be dominated by a powerful running game that featured Dick Jauron (future head coach of the Chicago Bears and Buffalo Bills) and Don Martin.

A crowd of more than 60,000 awaited at the Yale Bowl for the biggest Ivy League game in years. The better team won."

https://www-footballstudyhall-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.footballstudyhall.com/platform/amp/2017/5/9/15582206/1970-dartmouth-football-bob-blackman-yale?amp_js_v=0.1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&prerenderSize=1&visibilityState=prerender&paddingTop=32&p2r=0&csi=1&aoh=16051119360200&viewerUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Famp%2Fs%2Fwww.footballstudyhall.com%2Fplatform%2Famp%2F2017%2F5%2F9%2F15582206%2F1970-dartmouth-football-bob-blackman-yale&history=1&storage=1&cid=1&cap=navigateTo%2Ccid%2CfullReplaceHistory%2Cfragment%2CreplaceUrl%2CiframeScroll
 
PlayerRep said:
Jesse said:
First time caller, long time listener. No one else gives a rip about the ivies other then you who brags about playing for Amherst or someplace like that. We all get it because you let us know how you’re some kinda big accountant and athletic donor so you think you are more relevant then current students or alum of UM. You are not you are just like anyone else with an opinion, which are like assholes, everyone has got one. don’t bother responding if you can help yourself because no one else who reads this board cares about the ivies.

First time "caller"?

See this 1987 Sports Illustrated article:

"It was the cradle of football, and a number of its players have excelled in the NFL—Calvin Hill, Ed Marinaro, Gary Fencik and Nick Lowery," [Also, George Starke of Columbia, an eventual WA Redskins Hog, Hank Bjorklund of Princeton, Don Martin of Yale]

"One thing you certainly don't expect in the Ivy League is a nationally ranked team, but that's what coach Bob Black-man fielded at Dartmouth in 1970. That year Dartmouth was undefeated and untied, producing such outstanding stats that it was ranked 14th in both the AP and UPI final polls, ahead of Oklahoma, Penn State and Southern Cal. Dartmouth's 9-0 record included six shutouts—four in a row to end the season. Among major colleges that year Dartmouth ranked second in total defense and sixth in total offense, and led the country in scoring defense."

"Nevertheless, when Dartmouth was awarded the Lambert Trophy as the best team in the East, Penn State coach Joe Paterno felt obliged to register a tongue-in-cheek protest. Paterno suggested—through the press—that Dartmouth and Penn State play each other to determine which was really the top Eastern team. Responded Blackman, "Of course, Coach Paterno knows that under Ivy League rules we're not allowed to play in a postseason game, but if we were allowed to play a postseason contest, I would prefer to play a team that had a better record," a dig at the Nittany Lions' 7-3."

https://vault.si.com/vault/1987/08/31/a-big-year-for-big-green

"Game of the Year of the Day, 1970: Dartmouth 10, Yale 0" - picked as one of 50 best games of all-time

"The matchup: Dartmouth (5-0) at Yale (5-0)

The stakes: The Ivy League title, an AP ranking, and, potentially, the Lambert Trophy for best team in the East. Other than that, just a normal Saturday in the northeast.

The back story: At the turn of the 1970s, Bob Blackman had turned Dartmouth into an elite or nearly elite football program. From 50 Best*:

Blackman was thorough and innovative. He was an early adopter of Clark Shaughnessy’s V-formation, a wishbone predecessor in which the fullback lined up a little bit ahead of the halfbacks in the typical T-formation. He was organized and ambitious in his recruiting practices, opening up the Dartmouth umbrella to include most of the country and creating a national network as a talent base. He was miles ahead of the game from a scouting perspective, using computers to spot play tendencies long before most realized this was even an option.

Put it all together, and Dartmouth was bigger, stronger, more talented, and more well-prepared than any other team in the Ivy League.

In 1970, quarterback Jim Chasey was capable of posting big numbers with his arm and did enough to win the Asa Bushnell Cup (awarded to the Ivy League’s most outstanding player), but he only got so many chances because most games were over after two or three quarters. Halfback John Short was steady and reliable, and the Dartmouth defense was untouchable. Rover back Murry Bowden, safety Willie Bogan, and defensive lineman Barry Brink all landed on 1970’s All-East team, and sophomore end Fred Radke quickly came into his own.

To top things off, the Indians were great in special teams: Tim Copper was the best punt returner in the country this side of Nebraska’s Johnny Rodgers, and Wayne Pirmann was one of the country’s more reliable place-kickers.

Now came the biggest test for the big green: Carmen Cozza’s Yale squad. Cozza was 23-3-1 over the last three years, and his Eli would dominate most of the 1970s. And his 1970 squad would be dominated by a powerful running game that featured Dick Jauron (future head coach of the Chicago Bears and Buffalo Bills) and Don Martin.

A crowd of more than 60,000 awaited at the Yale Bowl for the biggest Ivy League game in years. The better team won."

https://www-footballstudyhall-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.footballstudyhall.com/platform/amp/2017/5/9/15582206/1970-dartmouth-football-bob-blackman-yale?amp_js_v=0.1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&prerenderSize=1&visibilityState=prerender&paddingTop=32&p2r=0&csi=1&aoh=16051119360200&viewerUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Famp%2Fs%2Fwww.footballstudyhall.com%2Fplatform%2Famp%2F2017%2F5%2F9%2F15582206%2F1970-dartmouth-football-bob-blackman-yale&history=1&storage=1&cid=1&cap=navigateTo%2Ccid%2CfullReplaceHistory%2Cfragment%2CreplaceUrl%2CiframeScroll

Dutchie and Jessie have similar writing styles...just sayin'
 
CatGrad-UMGradStu said:
PlayerRep said:
First time "caller"?

See this 1987 Sports Illustrated article:

"It was the cradle of football, and a number of its players have excelled in the NFL—Calvin Hill, Ed Marinaro, Gary Fencik and Nick Lowery," [Also, George Starke of Columbia, an eventual WA Redskins Hog, Hank Bjorklund of Princeton, Don Martin of Yale]

"One thing you certainly don't expect in the Ivy League is a nationally ranked team, but that's what coach Bob Black-man fielded at Dartmouth in 1970. That year Dartmouth was undefeated and untied, producing such outstanding stats that it was ranked 14th in both the AP and UPI final polls, ahead of Oklahoma, Penn State and Southern Cal. Dartmouth's 9-0 record included six shutouts—four in a row to end the season. Among major colleges that year Dartmouth ranked second in total defense and sixth in total offense, and led the country in scoring defense."

"Nevertheless, when Dartmouth was awarded the Lambert Trophy as the best team in the East, Penn State coach Joe Paterno felt obliged to register a tongue-in-cheek protest. Paterno suggested—through the press—that Dartmouth and Penn State play each other to determine which was really the top Eastern team. Responded Blackman, "Of course, Coach Paterno knows that under Ivy League rules we're not allowed to play in a postseason game, but if we were allowed to play a postseason contest, I would prefer to play a team that had a better record," a dig at the Nittany Lions' 7-3."

https://vault.si.com/vault/1987/08/31/a-big-year-for-big-green

"Game of the Year of the Day, 1970: Dartmouth 10, Yale 0" - picked as one of 50 best games of all-time

"The matchup: Dartmouth (5-0) at Yale (5-0)

The stakes: The Ivy League title, an AP ranking, and, potentially, the Lambert Trophy for best team in the East. Other than that, just a normal Saturday in the northeast.

The back story: At the turn of the 1970s, Bob Blackman had turned Dartmouth into an elite or nearly elite football program. From 50 Best*:

Blackman was thorough and innovative. He was an early adopter of Clark Shaughnessy’s V-formation, a wishbone predecessor in which the fullback lined up a little bit ahead of the halfbacks in the typical T-formation. He was organized and ambitious in his recruiting practices, opening up the Dartmouth umbrella to include most of the country and creating a national network as a talent base. He was miles ahead of the game from a scouting perspective, using computers to spot play tendencies long before most realized this was even an option.

Put it all together, and Dartmouth was bigger, stronger, more talented, and more well-prepared than any other team in the Ivy League.

In 1970, quarterback Jim Chasey was capable of posting big numbers with his arm and did enough to win the Asa Bushnell Cup (awarded to the Ivy League’s most outstanding player), but he only got so many chances because most games were over after two or three quarters. Halfback John Short was steady and reliable, and the Dartmouth defense was untouchable. Rover back Murry Bowden, safety Willie Bogan, and defensive lineman Barry Brink all landed on 1970’s All-East team, and sophomore end Fred Radke quickly came into his own.

To top things off, the Indians were great in special teams: Tim Copper was the best punt returner in the country this side of Nebraska’s Johnny Rodgers, and Wayne Pirmann was one of the country’s more reliable place-kickers.

Now came the biggest test for the big green: Carmen Cozza’s Yale squad. Cozza was 23-3-1 over the last three years, and his Eli would dominate most of the 1970s. And his 1970 squad would be dominated by a powerful running game that featured Dick Jauron (future head coach of the Chicago Bears and Buffalo Bills) and Don Martin.

A crowd of more than 60,000 awaited at the Yale Bowl for the biggest Ivy League game in years. The better team won."

https://www-footballstudyhall-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.footballstudyhall.com/platform/amp/2017/5/9/15582206/1970-dartmouth-football-bob-blackman-yale?amp_js_v=0.1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&prerenderSize=1&visibilityState=prerender&paddingTop=32&p2r=0&csi=1&aoh=16051119360200&viewerUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Famp%2Fs%2Fwww.footballstudyhall.com%2Fplatform%2Famp%2F2017%2F5%2F9%2F15582206%2F1970-dartmouth-football-bob-blackman-yale&history=1&storage=1&cid=1&cap=navigateTo%2Ccid%2CfullReplaceHistory%2Cfragment%2CreplaceUrl%2CiframeScroll

Dutchie and Jessie have similar writing styles...just sayin'

....I was wondering if it was Dutchie...but really can we really stop a virus in a free society...I guess we all can become hermits! I
have talk with several people who got Covid and they just lost their sense of taste..
 
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