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It's On! Be There!

Remember the sponsor of this event, Fact and Fiction Bookstore, 220 N. Higgins Ave.(406) 721-2881, also, with a connection to the UM Bookstore, to appropriately express your gratitude for hosting the Krak's visit to Missoula, and of course, your further purchases at her establishment. I know I'LL remember.
 
EverettGriz said:
'Nevertheless, I was attacked for smearing Missoula’s good name, as if it were my fault that four football players were accused of gang-raping a woman,'

When was this? If I remember didn't the roommate tell the police that it was her idea.

Well, while written in a somewhat prejudicial way, that is an accurate statement. There were such accusations.

Without intending to address what the facts are/were with regard to a gang rape, here is some information. One, the police (and prosecutors?) declined to prosecute this incident, twice (and a year apart). Two, no player who got a lawyer was kicked out of school or not allowed to graduate, according to what I was told on good authority. Three, below is how the author of this review described the "gang rape" in her article in jezebel.com about three years ago:

"We talk for a while about the alleged football team gang-rape; she knows the details because she's "on and off" with one of the players who was involved and recorded the whole thing on his phone, "because guys are like that." She tells it like this: two best girlfriends got drunk with the team and took turns going around in a circle and giving the players blowjobs. One of the girls also had sex with one of the football players that night, and when her boyfriend caught wind of the affair, she said it was non-consensual. He convinced her to file a police report, but the County Attorney's Office decided not to prosecute, citing a lack of evidence. Tori thinks that's because her friend showed them the video, which depicted the girl excited and laughing. "In other words," Tori says, "She was into it."
 
PlayerRep said:
"We talk for a while about the alleged football team gang-rape; she knows the details because she's "on and off" with one of the players who was involved and recorded the whole thing on his phone, "because guys are like that." She tells it like this: two best girlfriends got drunk with the team and took turns going around in a circle and giving the players blowjobs. One of the girls also had sex with one of the football players that night, and when her boyfriend caught wind of the affair, she said it was non-consensual. He convinced her to file a police report, but the County Attorney's Office decided not to prosecute, citing a lack of evidence. Tori thinks that's because her friend showed them the video, which depicted the girl excited and laughing. "In other words," Tori says, "She was into it."
Diane Barz attempted to run down this story, and came away with pretty much the same conclusion. Florio, notably, while running with the innuendo -- fed by Dean of Students Couture who inexplicably kept calling this a "gang rape," and was reportedly angry that his Kangaroo Court would do nothing once it saw it the "video" -- did nothing in the way of "reporting" to clarify the allegations. That did not fit her agenda.

I had understood that only one of the participants was an athlete, but those in favor of advancing the "Narrative" had naturally changed it to encompass only student- athletes.

Naturally.
 
UMGriz75 said:
PlayerRep said:
"We talk for a while about the alleged football team gang-rape; she knows the details because she's "on and off" with one of the players who was involved and recorded the whole thing on his phone, "because guys are like that." She tells it like this: two best girlfriends got drunk with the team and took turns going around in a circle and giving the players blowjobs. One of the girls also had sex with one of the football players that night, and when her boyfriend caught wind of the affair, she said it was non-consensual. He convinced her to file a police report, but the County Attorney's Office decided not to prosecute, citing a lack of evidence. Tori thinks that's because her friend showed them the video, which depicted the girl excited and laughing. "In other words," Tori says, "She was into it."
Diane Barz attempted to run down this story, and came away with pretty much the same conclusion. Florio, notably, while running with the innuendo -- fed by Dean of Students Couture who inexplicably kept calling this a "gang rape," and was reportedly angry that his Kangaroo Court would do nothing once it saw it the "video" -- did nothing in the way of "reporting" to clarify the allegations. That did not fit her agenda.

I had understood that only one of the participants was an athlete, but those in favor of advancing the "Narrative" had naturally changed it to encompass only student- athletes.

Naturally.

I believe it was all football players (maybe 4) except for one.
 
Krakauer: Missoula County attorney's actions 'egregious'

38 minutes ago • By Keila Szpaller

Jon Krakauer has "no doubt" rape victims in Missoula will be served poorly with Kirsten Pabst as the Missoula County attorney.

On Tuesday, Doubleday will release the bestselling author's book, "Missoula: Rape and the Justice System in a College Town." In the book, women tell stories of being raped by acquaintances and failed by the justice system in cases from 2010 to 2012.

Much has changed in Missoula since then. In an interview last week, the author and journalist credited several local authorities and institutions for making improvements after a federal investigation.

Krakauer, though, held Pabst apart.

The former chief deputy county attorney was "a major" cause of problems in the Missoula County Attorney's Office, he said. Then, she presented herself on the campaign trail as a reformer.

"I don't trust Pabst. She's a politician. When she ran for elected office, she was all about compassion. Give me a (expletive) break," Krakauer said.

In December 2014, Pabst was sworn into office. In an email, she said she worked with the U.S. Department of Justice during its investigation to make the process in her office better for rape victims. She also said Missoula has had a higher rape prosecution rate than the national norm.

"It is too early to identify trends occurring since the implementation of our new sexual assault prosecution protocols," said Pabst, who also noted initial indicators are positive.

According to Krakauer, though, it's none too early for Pabst to acknowledge errors.

***

In 2012, the Missoulian reported that Pabst had testified at a University of Montana disciplinary hearing on behalf of a man accused of rape. At the time, Pabst worked in the County Attorney's Office, and she had declined to charge the man.

The university hearing, however, resulted in his expulsion.

In "Missoula," Krakauer shared more details about Pabst's involvement at the hearing. She spoke twice as long as any other witness, he said, including the student who made the rape allegations.

"Although Kirsten Pabst took considerable time from her busy schedule to appear before the University Court on behalf of Calvin Smith (pseudonym), she never bothered to speak to (the victim), in violation of a Montana law that requires prosecutors to consult with rape victims," the author wrote, citing MCA 46-24-104.

In an email, Pabst said the charging decision "should have been communicated" to the woman who had reported the rape, and it "was regretfully not." In a "communication glitch," she said, she and the detective both believed the other person made the contact; a protocol is now in place for contacting victims, she said.

At the UM hearing, Pabst answered questions from all parties in the room, she said, and she described it as a "misconception" that she "testified" on behalf of one party. Rather, she said, she was acting in her role as prosecutor to educate people in the community, "demystifying the criminal justice process."

"At the time, I was of the mind that the people involved in the university disciplinary process could benefit from a civics lesson and review of how their rules differ from the criminal statutes," Pabst wrote.

After his investigation, Krakauer concluded it was Pabst who needed the lesson: "She didn't have time to interview (the victim), but she did have the time to testify for the rapist. It shows that her default was to believe the perpetrator over the victim."

In his interview with the Missoulian, the author described Pabst's presence at the University Court as "egregious." Krakauer also took her to task for a blog post she made after she helped successfully defend former UM Grizzlies quarterback Jordan Johnson in a rape trial.

A "pretty serious piece of evidence" in the case was a text the victim had sent a friend immediately following the incident, said Krakauer, who sat through the trial: “Omg ... I think I might have just gotten raped .... he kept pushing and pushing and I said no but he just wouldn’t listen ... I just wanna cry ... omg what do I do?”

The author said he understands Pabst had a job to do in defending Johnson. However, she wrote the blog post after jurors acquitted Johnson, warning the prosecutor's office against pursuing similar cases in the future.

"This is your county attorney, Missoula. This is who you elected."

***

As part of his investigation, Krakauer sent detailed questions to Pabst on Feb. 19, 2015. After she did not respond, he followed up six days later, but Pabst declined to answer specific questions.

In an email to the Missoulian, Pabst said Krakauer didn't offer her the chance to provide meaningful input, nor did he delay the release of his book as she requested, "to allow time to speak to people who have actual knowledge of the events in his novel."

"Krakauer is not interested in facts or progress. He did not contact me until after his book was in print," Pabst said.

Krakauer, though, said he had ample time to make changes, and he made revisions as late as March 3.
 
signedbewildered said:
Krakauer, though, said he had ample time to make changes, and he made revisions as late as March 3.
In other words, like his friends at the Rolling Stone, et. al., when it comes to the sanctity of the "Narrative," he admits he had plenty of time to give her call, he simply refused to make the effort to get the other side of the "story."
 
“.......it never occurred to me that Missoula would be upset about the title,”

"In Missoula, Missoulian reporter Gwen Florio’s reporting on the mishandled rapes made the difference, Krakauer said. Florio now teaches at the UM School of Journalism.

“The Missoulian without a doubt deserves the credit for prompting the DOJ investigation and the reforms, which I think are significant,” Krakauer said.

Already, Krakauer is getting pushback from the book.

Paoli threatened a lawsuit, and Pabst sent Krakauer's lawyer a “thinly veiled threat” of libel in response to his questions, the author said.
 
It is staggering to think that he didn't interview Pabst, the Chief of Police and Engstrom prior to writing the book. I really hope he gets repeated questions regarding that at his Missoula appearance.
 
Imagine Krakauer interviewing RE? What would Krakauer report???? We will all die wondering what might have been???? Candid camera still around???
 
Wow UMGriz75, you have done (and continue to do) an incredible job of presenting facts and information and rational well supported arguments in regard to the Missoula-UM-JJ rape story!!! I don’t know how you have the perseverance to so patiently and skillfully respond to all the trolls and nitwits on this site in regard to these matters. :clap:

I have only read some of the posts on several of the threads devoted to these matters, but from what I have read you have clearly eviscerated the trolls and nitwits. At some point you would think they would tire of debating and responding to you, thus displaying their ignorance and delusional thoughts. You are doing a great job!

I for one don’t have the time and interest to get too involved in these matters, but am glad that there are qualified and competent people to present facts and accurate information and take on the trolls.

I won’t be wasting any time or money on krakpots novel on Missoula and rape. I am glad JJ survived the vindictive attacks he was forced to contend with, and now is attempting to continue a successful athletic career in Canada.

I just wish we could get rid of the incompetent idiot who was wrongly placed as President of our beloved University.
 
Wow. There exists some deep wounds here on egriz. None of you were personally affected but it has obviously scarred the collective egriz psyche. Hopefully all of the "real" people involved are healing.
 
GoldenEagle said:
Wow. There exists some deep wounds here on egriz. None of you were personally affected but it has obviously scarred the collective egriz psyche. Hopefully all of the "real" people involved are healing.

I guess by "real people involved" you mean O'Day, Pflu and JJ?
 
GoldenEagle said:
Wow. There exists some deep wounds here on egriz. None of you were personally affected but it has obviously scarred the collective egriz psyche. Hopefully all of the "real" people involved are healing.

What was your first clue?
 
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