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...it's called getting earholed...

PlayerRep said:
SoldierGriz said:
wbtfg said:
Close call on this one. Not sure the defender meets definition of "defenseless" in this situation. Also, the blocker didn't launch or lead with crown.

That said, it was violent helmet to helmet contact. Definitely a dangerous play, but may not be illegal.


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This is where I am also...I watched it many times. I don't know. Honestly, it looked like a good football play to me, but I have no clue how the rule is applied. If defenseless means - not looking - then yes, he was defenseless. I'm not sure that is what it means however. It's easier to apply to a receiver - hands/eyes on ball, or in the air completing a catch.

Hard to be objective as it was a punishing hit against one of our favorites. Hope like hell he is OK.
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Yes, not seeing the blocker coming means being defenseless.
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Thanks. I guess ref has to determine if the blocker could be seen? This rule is harder to apply than I thought. Perhaps - not in this case - but in general.
 
Is there anyone on the planet who thought Buss saw the blocker? That wasn't a hard determination to make. Also, even if he say the blocker, it still doesn't mean he was defenseless. Receivers see or feel blockers all the time, but it's still targeting if they have hit above the shoulders.
 
PlayerRep said:
I still don't know if this play could have been reviewed, as it was not called on the field. Any info on that? However, even if it couldn't be reviewed during the game, it was still targeting and should have been called.
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Yes, the booth absolutely can signal the field to review a targeting. I saw it a few times last Saturday, and once yesterday. There was a stat posted as well, that I am sorry, don't remember exactly, or which game I was watching.
Something like if it's called on the field, 85% are upheld, and if suggested from the booth without a call on the field, 60% of those become targeting.

FBS of course...can't imagine different rules for any other level, but possible I assume.
 
kyle sample‏ @kyle_sample 31m31 minutes ago

Big Sky has said in the past that the in-game replay acts as the league’s review. Not likely to levy a suspension
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
kyle sample‏ @kyle_sample 31m31 minutes ago

Big Sky has said in the past that the in-game replay acts as the league’s review. Not likely to levy a suspension
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More protecting their own crappy refs
 
In the replay in this thread, the first thing that moves on Buss, is his head. Just a very dirty play. The Big Sky officials are pathetic. If the booth guy can't see the problem with that hit, then he should be put out to pasture. Buss could have been hurt very bad. Hope he wasn't.
 
I watched the film at the beginning of this post. I thought shoulders hit first. Only looked once and didn't slow it down so maybe what the refs saw.

Could be wrong, but is Buss the Griz linebacker that twists legs, arms and helmets after the whistle???

Hmmmm. What would that suggest???




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77matcat said:
I watched the film at the beginning of this post. I thought shoulders hit first. Only looked once and didn't slow it down so maybe what the refs saw.

Could be wrong, but is Buss the Griz linebacker that twists legs, arms and helmets after the whistle???

Hmmmm. What would that suggest???




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I think you have the linebackers mixed up. Think you are referring the Strahm and his habit of picking up personal fouls.
 
77matcat said:
I watched the film at the beginning of this post. I thought shoulders hit first. Only looked once and didn't slow it down so maybe what the refs saw.

Could be wrong, but is Buss the Griz linebacker that twists legs, arms and helmets after the whistle???

Hmmmm. What would that suggest???




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Oh, BS. Try being unbiased and watching. The helmet moves first, and it doesn't matter if the shoulders move first anyway, because it was helmet to helmet contact. In that situation, the helmet cannot be above the shoulders.

Also, if you going be a dick, I am going to run you out of the gym.
 
Stitt's view of the play:

"I think Josh is gonna be OK,” Stitt said. “He took a blow and we'll definitely review that play and send it in. He was a defenseless player and their player went after his shoulder/head area and that's what we're trying to take out of the game are hits like that.

"He was definitely defenseless and I think he's gonna be OK. I hope he's gonna be OK. There's no part in our game for hits like that. That's what we're trying to control and that was disappointing to see that happen."
 
PlayerRep said:
Stitt's view of the play:

"I think Josh is gonna be OK,” Stitt said. “He took a blow and we'll definitely review that play and send it in. He was a defenseless player and their player went after his shoulder/head area and that's what we're trying to take out of the game are hits like that.

"He was definitely defenseless and I think he's gonna be OK. I hope he's gonna be OK. There's no part in our game for hits like that. That's what we're trying to control and that was disappointing to see that happen."
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Absolutely agree. League and NCAA should review to see if the right call was made or not. I’m not convinced that the current rule doesn’t leave this up to the refs judgement on intent (targeting) especially if the given examples aren’t present. Maybe all helmet to helmet should be flagged and put up for review? Penalty for incidental helmet contact with defenseless players regardless of targeting? Open hand blocking on defenseless blindside blocks?
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
77matcat said:
I watched the film at the beginning of this post. I thought shoulders hit first. Only looked once and didn't slow it down so maybe what the refs saw.

Could be wrong, but is Buss the Griz linebacker that twists legs, arms and helmets after the whistle???

Hmmmm. What would that suggest???




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I think you have the linebackers mixed up. Think you are referring the Strahm and his habit of picking up personal fouls.
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Of which he has zero this year...
 
PlayerRep said:
DuCharme said:
helcat, just watch the video. Shoulder contact comes after the helmet contact. Clearly.
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These Cat posters are just trolling. Or, they are blind. Maybe both.
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Well I do need glasses.

Not defending BS refs but point is it's a fast game and it's possible that no one was able to play and replay the block as you have.

Sounds like the conference will be asked for a review, so we'll be able to see how they interpret.


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77matcat said:
PlayerRep said:
DuCharme said:
helcat, just watch the video. Shoulder contact comes after the helmet contact. Clearly.
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These Cat posters are just trolling. Or, they are blind. Maybe both.
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Well I do need glasses.

Not defending BS refs but point is it's a fast game and it's possible that no one was able to play and replay the block as you have.

Sounds like the conference will be asked for a review, so we'll be able to see how they interpret.


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The tv showed at least 2 angles of replay, at least twice each, when Buss was down (for a long time). One angle clearly shows that the hit was targeting and helmet to helmet, as Stitt has said. The other angle is not a good angler. The booth ref surely had what tv was showing. If the conference doesn't take action on this one, this video will get thrown back in their faces when they call targeting on others in similar situations.
 
I just read the NFL defenseless player rules and they penalize all contact above the shoulder or below waist on a blind side block. No ambiguity

I know you think I’m trolling because I am a cat fan, but my first reaction after seeing it was why wasn’t it flagged? Reading the rule made it clear to me that The rule is poorly written and allows a wide range of interpretation.
I do take a special interest in the subject because my son was knocked out in a 6th grade football game from a hit that would be textbook targeting now. Looking back it is crazy that a 6th grader was basically trained to execute such a vicious hit.
 
...in conclusion..back in the day...
...it's not call earholed from the location...
...it's if/when you got up..and coaches laughing...
...you were looking out the earhole of your helmut...

... :shock: ...
 
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