It's all become so average

[PlayerRep]

pr, you're the only one not backing up what they're saying. But that's hardly news.

Huh? In English, please.

And you claim I cannot read? God, you're hopeless. :roll: Brews is absolutely correct.

Could you, or anyone, tell me what you were meaning to say when you said this?

"pr, you're the only one not backing up what they're saying."

What are "they" saying? What am I "not backing up"?

Who are "they"?

Anyone care to explain?

75, we may need a ruling from an expert wordsmith on this one.

 

[EverettGriz]

Holy fuckers! You cannot be this dumb.

These are the "they", direct from your own (admittedly very poorly written) post:

Pointing out that some posters, who post incorrect stuff, and who can't back up what they say, is not being petty.

And then I simply stated that you were the only one posting unable to back up what "they" say.

 

[sdk.catfish]

Maybe it is time for the moderators to shut this entire forum down and decide (and I assume that would be a dictatorial decision) just what the purpose of the forum is. If it is to be a cheer leading site where the only discussion is about bright futures and pretty ponies then so be it. The image of some of you as cheer leaders is frightening and hopefully I can get it out of my mind soon. But if that is the wish put it in the rules.
However, personally find the insight of those not necessarily of that ilk to be way more interesting. Stories like that provided by 75 with his involvement with the USOC, or his knowledge of budget issues, are helpful to me when trying to understand what is going on at my alma mater. There are other posters out there with legitimate questions but when they post they just meet derision from a few, maybe ten participants, who simply can't tolerate opposing opinions, always see a deep playoff run for next year, and when that doesn't happen simply postpone the good vibes for the next year. Both sides are guilty of reaching for the poison pen before thinking things through . But instead of letting these threads fall into the bashing of a poster because that is the easiest way out, why not just let that post go. Really, it isn't going to change the won/loss record one iota next year.

 

[Spanky]

+1

 

[kemajic]

It feels like all hinge UM athletics have become very average. Football: no recent championships, games that seem a bit boring, no home playoff games, dull game day atmosphere. Basketball: very little student involvement with game day, average .500 team, no real community excitement for the team; Lady Griz: average years and no championships lately, horrible team this year (injuries obvious factor). AD Haslam: never hear a word from him, no fundamental changes in anything, fundraising down (minus the Washington Bank). Hate to be super negative, but it just seems like we've lost our Mojo.

They just had one in 2015 against South Dakota State, and it was a pretty damn exciting game actually. I'm not sure ONE YEAR, constitutes no home playoff games anymore lol.

Pretty damn exciting game alright when you're leading 24-0 at the half and have to hang on by your fingernails to get the win 24-17. That second half was a prelude to the following week.

 

[PlayerRep]

Holy f***[*]! You cannot be this dumb.

These are the "they", direct from your own (admittedly very poorly written) post:

Pointing out that some posters, who post incorrect stuff, and who can't back up what they say, is not being petty.

And then I simply stated that you were the only one posting unable to back up what "they" say.

Thx for putting in English. At least I now know what you were trying to say. Sorry, but I dont back up people who are wrong and people I don't agree with. Just like I won't back you up on saying the current griz performance is roughly the same as the glory days. Doubt that any other sane poster would either.

 

[fanofzoo]

Maybe it is time for the moderators to shut this entire forum down and decide (and I assume that would be a dictatorial decision) just what the purpose of the forum is. If it is to be a cheer leading site where the only discussion is about bright futures and pretty ponies then so be it. The image of some of you as cheer leaders is frightening and hopefully I can get it out of my mind soon. But if that is the wish put it in the rules.
However, personally find the insight of those not necessarily of that ilk to be way more interesting. Stories like that provided by 75 with his involvement with the USOC, or his knowledge of budget issues, are helpful to me when trying to understand what is going on at my alma mater. There are other posters out there with legitimate questions but when they post they just meet derision from a few, maybe ten participants, who simply can't tolerate opposing opinions, always see a deep playoff run for next year, and when that doesn't happen simply postpone the good vibes for the next year. Both sides are guilty of reaching for the poison pen before thinking things through . But instead of letting these threads fall into the bashing of a poster because that is the easiest way out, why not just let that post go. Really, it isn't going to change the won/loss record one iota next year.

Well said.

 

[Gametime]

Maybe it is time for the moderators to shut this entire forum down and decide (and I assume that would be a dictatorial decision) just what the purpose of the forum is. If it is to be a cheer leading site where the only discussion is about bright futures and pretty ponies then so be it. The image of some of you as cheer leaders is frightening and hopefully I can get it out of my mind soon. But if that is the wish put it in the rules.
However, personally find the insight of those not necessarily of that ilk to be way more interesting. Stories like that provided by 75 with his involvement with the USOC, or his knowledge of budget issues, are helpful to me when trying to understand what is going on at my alma mater. There are other posters out there with legitimate questions but when they post they just meet derision from a few, maybe ten participants, who simply can't tolerate opposing opinions, always see a deep playoff run for next year, and when that doesn't happen simply postpone the good vibes for the next year. Both sides are guilty of reaching for the poison pen before thinking things through . But instead of letting these threads fall into the bashing of a poster because that is the easiest way out, why not just let that post go. Really, it isn't going to change the won/loss record one iota next year.

Well said. Identify the problem.....fix the problem. It's really not that complicated.

 

[George Ferguson]

It feels like all hinge UM athletics have become very average. Football: no recent championships, games that seem a bit boring, no home playoff games, dull game day atmosphere. Basketball: very little student involvement with game day, average .500 team, no real community excitement for the team; Lady Griz: average years and no championships lately, horrible team this year (injuries obvious factor). AD Haslam: never hear a word from him, no fundamental changes in anything, fundraising down (minus the Washington Bank). Hate to be super negative, but it just seems like we've lost our Mojo.

They just had one in 2015 against South Dakota State, and it was a pretty damn exciting game actually. I'm not sure ONE YEAR, constitutes no home playoff games anymore lol.

Pretty damn exciting game alright when you're leading 24-0 at the half and have to hang on by your fingernails to get the win 24-17. That second half was a prelude to the following week.

You are a bitter man Kem, lol, and a while back I promised myself I wouldn't respond to your posts anymore, but I'm gonna go back on my word this one time, and it's actually to make you happy. I will qualify my remark about the SDSU game. I, and me alone, thought it was an exciting game. I promise I won't dare speak for anyone else that was there. You do agree though that I have the right to feel that emotion (excitement) and even express it, don't you? You do agree that in America, we are afforded that right? You do agree that we as human beings, have the right to feel any emotion we want to? And yes, I felt excitement at that particular game. I'm only talking about me, no one else. Every single other fan probably hated it. So I'm speaking just for me. Again, I thought it was an exciting game. Just me. Is that better? Will that satisfy you?

I'll even go one further, and explain to you why I felt excitement during that game. It's simple, and it is all about 16 letters. MONTANA GRIZZLIES. That's it, it's that simple. When I'm not working in Wash-Griz, I'm in the stands, and I'm pumped, destroying my voice box and being excited. Some games, more than others, but, in 20-plus years of traveling to that stadium, I have yet to not be excited during a game. Do the endings (losses) kill that excitement? Yup, sure do. But, a win sure as hell never does, and especially not a playoff win.

Again, because it's about the Griz for me and nothing will ever ruin it. Not Stitt, not Royce Engstrom, not the NCAA, not dwindling enrollment, not losses, not inept play-calling, not you, not anything. There will NEVER come a day when I don't put my love of the Griz, and that university above all else. Doesn't mean I'm not concerned, worried, scared, happy, sad, or anything else. It simply means, MONTANA is what matters most to me, and it always will. And that my man, is why I was excited at the SDSU game, and that's why I thought it was an exciting game.

 

[Gametime]

It feels like all hinge UM athletics have become very average. Football: no recent championships, games that seem a bit boring, no home playoff games, dull game day atmosphere. Basketball: very little student involvement with game day, average .500 team, no real community excitement for the team; Lady Griz: average years and no championships lately, horrible team this year (injuries obvious factor). AD Haslam: never hear a word from him, no fundamental changes in anything, fundraising down (minus the Washington Bank). Hate to be super negative, but it just seems like we've lost our Mojo.

They just had one in 2015 against South Dakota State, and it was a pretty damn exciting game actually. I'm not sure ONE YEAR, constitutes no home playoff games anymore lol.

Pretty damn exciting game alright when you're leading 24-0 at the half and have to hang on by your fingernails to get the win 24-17. That second half was a prelude to the following week.

You are a bitter man Kem, lol, and a while back I promised myself I wouldn't respond to your posts anymore, but I'm gonna go back on my word this one time, and it's actually to make you happy. I will qualify my remark about the SDSU game. I, and me alone, thought it was an exciting game. I promise I won't dare speak for anyone else that was there. You do agree though that I have the right to feel that emotion (excitement) and even express it, don't you? You do agree that in America, we are afforded that right? You do agree that we as human beings, have the right to feel any emotion we want to? And yes, I felt excitement at that particular game. I'm only talking about me, no one else. Every single other fan probably hated it. So I'm speaking just for me. Again, I thought it was an exciting game. Just me. Is that better? Will that satisfy you?

I'll even go one further, and explain to you why I felt excitement during that game. It's simple, and it is all about 16 letters. MONTANA GRIZZLIES. That's it, it's that simple. When I'm not working in Wash-Griz, I'm in the stands, and I'm pumped, destroying my voice box and being excited. Some games, more than others, but, in 20-plus years of traveling to that stadium, I have yet to not be excited during a game. Do the endings (losses) kill that excitement? Yup, sure do. But, a win sure as hell never does, and especially not a playoff win.

Again, because it's about the Griz for me and nothing will ever ruin it. Not Stitt, not Royce Engstrom, not the NCAA, not dwindling enrollment, not losses, not inept play-calling, not you, not anything. There will NEVER come a day when I don't put my love of the Griz, and that university above all else. Doesn't mean I'm not concerned, worried, scared, happy, sad, or anything else. It simply means, MONTANA is what matters most to me, and it always will. And that my man, is why I was excited at the SDSU game, and that's why I thought it was an exciting game.

And the Academy Award for most passionate fan goes to.....

 

[George Ferguson]

They just had one in 2015 against South Dakota State, and it was a pretty damn exciting game actually. I'm not sure ONE YEAR, constitutes no home playoff games anymore lol.

Pretty damn exciting game alright when you're leading 24-0 at the half and have to hang on by your fingernails to get the win 24-17. That second half was a prelude to the following week.

You are a bitter man Kem, lol, and a while back I promised myself I wouldn't respond to your posts anymore, but I'm gonna go back on my word this one time, and it's actually to make you happy. I will qualify my remark about the SDSU game. I, and me alone, thought it was an exciting game. I promise I won't dare speak for anyone else that was there. You do agree though that I have the right to feel that emotion (excitement) and even express it, don't you? You do agree that in America, we are afforded that right? You do agree that we as human beings, have the right to feel any emotion we want to? And yes, I felt excitement at that particular game. I'm only talking about me, no one else. Every single other fan probably hated it. So I'm speaking just for me. Again, I thought it was an exciting game. Just me. Is that better? Will that satisfy you?

I'll even go one further, and explain to you why I felt excitement during that game. It's simple, and it is all about 16 letters. MONTANA GRIZZLIES. That's it, it's that simple. When I'm not working in Wash-Griz, I'm in the stands, and I'm pumped, destroying my voice box and being excited. Some games, more than others, but, in 20-plus years of traveling to that stadium, I have yet to not be excited during a game. Do the endings (losses) kill that excitement? Yup, sure do. But, a win sure as hell never does, and especially not a playoff win.

Again, because it's about the Griz for me and nothing will ever ruin it. Not Stitt, not Royce Engstrom, not the NCAA, not dwindling enrollment, not losses, not inept play-calling, not you, not anything. There will NEVER come a day when I don't put my love of the Griz, and that university above all else. Doesn't mean I'm not concerned, worried, scared, happy, sad, or anything else. It simply means, MONTANA is what matters most to me, and it always will. And that my man, is why I was excited at the SDSU game, and that's why I thought it was an exciting game.

And the Academy Award for most passionate fan goes to.....

Nope, not even close. Good God Griz will always have me beat on that. Just an unconditional fan. That's all. And I don't think anyone else has to be like me either.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Maybe it is time for the moderators to shut this entire forum down and decide (and I assume that would be a dictatorial decision) just what the purpose of the forum is. If it is to be a cheer leading site where the only discussion is about bright futures and pretty ponies then so be it. The image of some of you as cheer leaders is frightening and hopefully I can get it out of my mind soon. But if that is the wish put it in the rules.
However, personally find the insight of those not necessarily of that ilk to be way more interesting. Stories like that provided by 75 with his involvement with the USOC, or his knowledge of budget issues, are helpful to me when trying to understand what is going on at my alma mater. There are other posters out there with legitimate questions but when they post they just meet derision from a few, maybe ten participants, who simply can't tolerate opposing opinions, always see a deep playoff run for next year, and when that doesn't happen simply postpone the good vibes for the next year. Both sides are guilty of reaching for the poison pen before thinking things through . But instead of letting these threads fall into the bashing of a poster because that is the easiest way out, why not just let that post go. Really, it isn't going to change the won/loss record one iota next year.

Conversely, there are a few, maybe ten participants who simply can't tolerate opposing opinions, always sees 4-7 or 5-6 season for next year, and when that doom and gloom doesn't happen simply postpone the dark cloud over the program for the next year. When you challenge them on it, you get reams and reams of "statistics" and "logic" that purport to support their claim, but the reality is no matter how you "analyze it", no one KNOWS what's going to happen next year, and if some choose to be "sucrose" fans and others choose to be "depressing" fans, there ain't a damned thing either you, or I, or anybody on this forum is going to be able to do about it. At the end of the day, this forum is what it is. If you (and by you I mean the collective you, not you, specifically) don't like it, there's the door.

 

[THE BETCH]

George George you stated exactly what I feel. These are kids playing their asses off and I love em. This Fall I will be bringing out of state friends to their first Griz game. I can hardly wait for them to experience what I have always felt (and I was a fan in the 60s). They will enter the stadium, and will be utterly amazed at the experience. Probably buy Griz gear afterward. Griz football for me, is just plain fun. The neggies don't bother me, they don't get it.

 

[kemajic]

It feels like all hinge UM athletics have become very average. Football: no recent championships, games that seem a bit boring, no home playoff games, dull game day atmosphere. Basketball: very little student involvement with game day, average .500 team, no real community excitement for the team; Lady Griz: average years and no championships lately, horrible team this year (injuries obvious factor). AD Haslam: never hear a word from him, no fundamental changes in anything, fundraising down (minus the Washington Bank). Hate to be super negative, but it just seems like we've lost our Mojo.

They just had one in 2015 against South Dakota State, and it was a pretty damn exciting game actually. I'm not sure ONE YEAR, constitutes no home playoff games anymore lol.

Pretty damn exciting game alright when you're leading 24-0 at the half and have to hang on by your fingernails to get the win 24-17. That second half was a prelude to the following week.

You are a bitter man Kem, lol, and a while back I promised myself I wouldn't respond to your posts anymore, but I'm gonna go back on my word this one time, and it's actually to make you happy. I will qualify my remark about the SDSU game. I, and me alone, thought it was an exciting game. I promise I won't dare speak for anyone else that was there. You do agree though that I have the right to feel that emotion (excitement) and even express it, don't you? You do agree that in America, we are afforded that right? You do agree that we as human beings, have the right to feel any emotion we want to? And yes, I felt excitement at that particular game. I'm only talking about me, no one else. Every single other fan probably hated it. So I'm speaking just for me. Again, I thought it was an exciting game. Just me. Is that better? Will that satisfy you?

I'll even go one further, and explain to you why I felt excitement during that game. It's simple, and it is all about 16 letters. MONTANA GRIZZLIES. That's it, it's that simple. When I'm not working in Wash-Griz, I'm in the stands, and I'm pumped, destroying my voice box and being excited. Some games, more than others, but, in 20-plus years of traveling to that stadium, I have yet to not be excited during a game. Do the endings (losses) kill that excitement? Yup, sure do. But, a win sure as hell never does, and especially not a playoff win.

Again, because it's about the Griz for me and nothing will ever ruin it. Not Stitt, not Royce Engstrom, not the NCAA, not dwindling enrollment, not losses, not inept play-calling, not you, not anything. There will NEVER come a day when I don't put my love of the Griz, and that university above all else. Doesn't mean I'm not concerned, worried, scared, happy, sad, or anything else. It simply means, MONTANA is what matters most to me, and it always will. And that my man, is why I was excited at the SDSU game, and that's why I thought it was an exciting game.

Sorry you are so under my spell. Not a bitter man at all. Just sticking to observations and facts more than emotion. And gatekeepting those that can't.

Personally, I'm excited when the Griz are playing well. I was excited, very excited, for the first half of that game. I thought maybe we were getting things fixed. I haven't been so excited since.

 

[Sam A. Blitz]

Most on this board just need to get laid...

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

It is impressive how some people can take any subject and turn it into a Stitt bashing opportunity over and over again....like we didn't get it the first several hundred times.

 

[brewskis]

It is impressive how some people can take any subject and turn it into a Stitt bashing opportunity over and over again....like we didn't get it the first several hundred times.

Hey everybody has got to have a skill!


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[Ursa Major]

Holy f***[*]! You cannot be this dumb.

These are the "they", direct from your own (admittedly very poorly written) post:

Pointing out that some posters, who post incorrect stuff, and who can't back up what they say, is not being petty.

And then I simply stated that you were the only one posting unable to back up what "they" say.

Thx for putting in English. At least I now know what you were trying to say. Sorry, but I dont back up people who are wrong and people I don't agree with. Just like I won't back you up on saying the current griz performance is roughly the same as the glory days. Doubt that any other sane poster would either.

What you "did", PR, is what you always do. You "cooked the books", manipulated the information to make it fit your argument. EG, or anyone else should not be surprised by this. This is your training, your pattern and your world view. As an attorney, it's second nature to you, and others, on this board to create a reality that isn't based on an objective truth but based on your ability to control the message. Why would you not want to examine all of the facts (i.e. playoff performance regardless of home or away)?

If you truly want to do an "autopsy" on what this program has been thru over the past 5 years and the reason why there were firings then you have to look at what happened before then to give context. I would argue that an objective observer would come to the conclusion that there were problems in this program that extend before Pflugrad. Also, contextually, society and the times have been a changing. All the mitigating arguments that YOU'VE made over the years about athletes that got into fights, robbed and raped are a part of the problem. Shit had to change. Even a reformer like Pflugrad got caught up in that vortex. Not as much for what he said but when he said it (i.e. after all the other problems).

I'm not suggesting that these players didn't deserve due process of the law but lets be intellectually honest: there were a lot of players getting into trouble and making the front page of the paper. Right or wrong. there was a perception that UM football was a culture that was out of control and a small minority of these student athletes were out of control. A historian would suggest to understand any time in history one must look 5-25 years in the precedent years to understand that investigated time. I suggest you examine the legal problems and the general populations perceptions of this program during the Hauck years and also look at societal changes that took place during that time especially those changes of opinion regarding sexual assault. Guilty or not guilty, the UM football program had an image problem. Pflugrad was the last straw.

As a UM graduate, I will gladly exchange a win or two a season to not see a player on the crime log of the local paper.

For those of you who made it through this, I apologize about the length. I'm a bit dizzy and worn from the "Death Spiral".

 

[Ursa Major]

Maybe it is time for the moderators to shut this entire forum down and decide (and I assume that would be a dictatorial decision) just what the purpose of the forum is. If it is to be a cheer leading site where the only discussion is about bright futures and pretty ponies then so be it. The image of some of you as cheer leaders is frightening and hopefully I can get it out of my mind soon. But if that is the wish put it in the rules.
However, personally find the insight of those not necessarily of that ilk to be way more interesting. Stories like that provided by 75 with his involvement with the USOC, or his knowledge of budget issues, are helpful to me when trying to understand what is going on at my alma mater. There are other posters out there with legitimate questions but when they post they just meet derision from a few, maybe ten participants, who simply can't tolerate opposing opinions, always see a deep playoff run for next year, and when that doesn't happen simply postpone the good vibes for the next year. Both sides are guilty of reaching for the poison pen before thinking things through . But instead of letting these threads fall into the bashing of a poster because that is the easiest way out, why not just let that post go. Really, it isn't going to change the won/loss record one iota next year.

Conversely, there are a few, maybe ten participants who simply can't tolerate opposing opinions, always sees 4-7 or 5-6 season for next year, and when that doom and gloom doesn't happen simply postpone the dark cloud over the program for the next year. When you challenge them on it, you get reams and reams of "statistics" and "logic" that purport to support their claim, but the reality is no matter how you "analyze it", no one KNOWS what's going to happen next year, and if some choose to be "sucrose" fans and others choose to be "depressing" fans, there ain't a damned thing either you, or I, or anybody on this forum is going to be able to do about it. At the end of the day, this forum is what it is. If you (and by you I mean the collective you, not you, specifically) don't like it, there's the door.

Good post, AZ!

 

[PlayerRep]

It feels like all hinge UM athletics have become very average. Football: no recent championships, games that seem a bit boring, no home playoff games, dull game day atmosphere. Basketball: very little student involvement with game day, average .500 team, no real community excitement for the team; Lady Griz: average years and no championships lately, horrible team this year (injuries obvious factor). AD Haslam: never hear a word from him, no fundamental changes in anything, fundraising down (minus the Washington Bank). Hate to be super negative, but it just seems like we've lost our Mojo.

They just had one in 2015 against South Dakota State, and it was a pretty damn exciting game actually. I'm not sure ONE YEAR, constitutes no home playoff games anymore lol.

Pretty damn exciting game alright when you're leading 24-0 at the half and have to hang on by your fingernails to get the win 24-17. That second half was a prelude to the following week.

You are a bitter man Kem, lol, and a while back I promised myself I wouldn't respond to your posts anymore, but I'm gonna go back on my word this one time, and it's actually to make you happy. I will qualify my remark about the SDSU game. I, and me alone, thought it was an exciting game. I promise I won't dare speak for anyone else that was there. You do agree though that I have the right to feel that emotion (excitement) and even express it, don't you? You do agree that in America, we are afforded that right? You do agree that we as human beings, have the right to feel any emotion we want to? And yes, I felt excitement at that particular game. I'm only talking about me, no one else. Every single other fan probably hated it. So I'm speaking just for me. Again, I thought it was an exciting game. Just me. Is that better? Will that satisfy you?

I'll even go one further, and explain to you why I felt excitement during that game. It's simple, and it is all about 16 letters. MONTANA GRIZZLIES. That's it, it's that simple. When I'm not working in Wash-Griz, I'm in the stands, and I'm pumped, destroying my voice box and being excited. Some games, more than others, but, in 20-plus years of traveling to that stadium, I have yet to not be excited during a game. Do the endings (losses) kill that excitement? Yup, sure do. But, a win sure as hell never does, and especially not a playoff win.

Again, because it's about the Griz for me and nothing will ever ruin it. Not Stitt, not Royce Engstrom, not the NCAA, not dwindling enrollment, not losses, not inept play-calling, not you, not anything. There will NEVER come a day when I don't put my love of the Griz, and that university above all else. Doesn't mean I'm not concerned, worried, scared, happy, sad, or anything else. It simply means, MONTANA is what matters most to me, and it always will. And that my man, is why I was excited at the SDSU game, and that's why I thought it was an exciting game.

I liked the SDS game too. Not because I love the UM or the Griz no matter what, but because I love and appreciate football, sport and competitive. It was a very good game and very good day.

Hav, I always love and appreciate your posts, even the occasionally ones I don't agree with.

Kem, I find myself agreeing with you fairly often in the past couple months.