It's all become so average

[EverettGriz]

I think some people forget how many one and done playoff seasons the Griz have had over the years.

As for basketball, it'd be difficult to find a better 10 year stretch in the 100 year history of the program.

 

[PlayerRep]

A lot has changed in the world of college athletics, a HUGE amount of change has incurred in the culture of Missoula and Montana as a whole. We got used to things being done in a much more predictable manner, ain't the same. Since the scandal, Montana has been on the BLEEDING edge....it's taking some time, but we will be back on the CUTTING edge soon enough. Hang in there griz nation.


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The "scandal"? How would you describe the scandal? What scandal besides than caused or magnified by mistakes by Engstrom and the dean, and dishonest press from the Missoulian and Krakauer, and then related bad press fueled by Engstrom/dean mistakes and Missoulian/Krakauer? Of course, the Engstrom/dean mistakes and Missoulian/Krakauer dishonesty and exaggeration were huge.

Nothing has hurt UM football more than the firing of Pflu and O'Day. Nothing else is even close what that huge mistake caused. Created coaching carousel, uncertainty, change, lack of continuity, suspicion, etc. That was the "scandal", in my view. And at the same time, the new president was unable to address the declining enrollment, or even to slow it. Perhaps not a death spiral, but UM has been severely wounded and damaged by the enrollment decline and related huge drop in funding (the per capita part).

 

[PlayerRep]

I think some people forget how many one and done playoff seasons the Griz have had over the years.

As for basketball, it'd be difficult to find a better 10 year stretch in the 100 year history of the program.

How many? Virtually none where the first playoff game was at home.

 

[ordigger]

......

As for basketball, it'd be difficult to find a better 10 year stretch in the 100 year history of the program.

Not difficult at all....

2007/08 - 2016/17: 196-116 .628
1973/74 - 1996/97: 467-223 .676 (Take your pick of which 10 years of the 24)

1997/98 - 2016/17 (20 years) btw....351-256 .578
Now if you had said last 8 years.... 165-88 .651 BUT still not as good as that 24 year run.

Prior to 1973.....hard to find a 10 year stretch where we were over .500 very much.

 

[getgrizzy]

I think some people forget how many one and done playoff seasons the Griz have had over the years.

As for basketball, it'd be difficult to find a better 10 year stretch in the 100 year history of the program.

How many? Virtually none where the first playoff game was at home.

We lost at home in the opening round in 2003 (W. Illinois), 2005 (Cal Poly), 2007 (Wofford), and 2013 (Coastal Carolina). We are 7-4 since 2003 in first round home games.

 

[EverettGriz]

......

As for basketball, it'd be difficult to find a better 10 year stretch in the 100 year history of the program.

Not difficult at all....

2007/08 - 2016/17: 196-116 .628
1973/74 - 1996/97: 467-223 .676 (Take your pick of which 10 years of the 24)

1997/98 - 2016/17 (20 years) btw....351-256 .578
Now if you had said last 8 years.... 165-88 .651 BUT still not as good as that 24 year run.

Prior to 1973.....hard to find a 10 year stretch where we were over .500 very much.

Yes, those were good stretches. But how many BSC titles and NCAA trips during that period?

And again, I didn't say it was impossible, but rather suggesting that UM basketball has been pretty damn good lately.

 

[EverettGriz]

I think some people forget how many one and done playoff seasons the Griz have had over the years.

As for basketball, it'd be difficult to find a better 10 year stretch in the 100 year history of the program.

How many? Virtually none where the first playoff game was at home.

Really?

1997: One playoff game, a loss at McNeese
1998: One playoff game, a loss at West Ill (by 43 incidentally)
1999: One playoff game, a loss at Youngstown
2002: Two playoff games, a home win, a road loss
2003: One playoff game, a home loss to West Ill
2005: One playoff game, a home loss to CP
2007: One playoff game, a home loss to Wofford
2010: No playoffs
2012: No playoffs
2013: One playoff game, a home loss to Coastal


That's during what most would consider the glory days of Griz football. Frankly, it looks pretty similar to what we've seen the last few years.

The other thing to consider, of course, is that most of those "down" periods were followed by deep playoff runs. Give this staff the same chance others got. Good things are on the horizon despite the "death spiral".

 

[PlayerRep]

I think some people forget how many one and done playoff seasons the Griz have had over the years.

As for basketball, it'd be difficult to find a better 10 year stretch in the 100 year history of the program.

How many? Virtually none where the first playoff game was at home.

Really?

1997: One playoff game, a loss at McNeese
1998: One playoff game, a loss at West Ill (by 43 incidentally)
1999: One playoff game, a loss at Youngstown
2002: Two playoff games, a home win, a road loss
2003: One playoff game, a home loss to West Ill
2005: One playoff game, a home loss to CP
2007: One playoff game, a home loss to Wofford
2010: No playoffs
2012: No playoffs



That's during what most would consider the glory days of Griz football. Frankly, it looks pretty similar to what we've seen the last few years.

The other thing to consider, of course, is that most of those "down" periods were followed by deep playoff runs. Give this staff the same chance others got. Good things are on the horizon despite the "death spiral".

What an idiot you are. Apparently you don't understand what "at home" means. Your first 3 examples were road games. You are worse than Price Waterhouse at the Oscars.

 

[EverettGriz]

Uhhh, I didn't say anything about home games. I said one and dones. You mentioned home games, for what reason who the fuck knows.

In either event, there was a large number of both, losses on the road and losses at home. Seemingly to anyone who has played the game, first round road losses would be an indicator of a worse year since the team wasn't good enough to secure a home game. But then it's you, so....

 

[brewskis]

A lot has changed in the world of college athletics, a HUGE amount of change has incurred in the culture of Missoula and Montana as a whole. We got used to things being done in a much more predictable manner, ain't the same. Since the scandal, Montana has been on the BLEEDING edge....it's taking some time, but we will be back on the CUTTING edge soon enough. Hang in there griz nation.


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The "scandal"? How would you describe the scandal? What scandal besides than caused or magnified by mistakes by Engstrom and the dean, and dishonest press from the Missoulian and Krakauer, and then related bad press fueled by Engstrom/dean mistakes and Missoulian/Krakauer? Of course, the Engstrom/dean mistakes and Missoulian/Krakauer dishonesty and exaggeration were huge.

Nothing has hurt UM football more than the firing of Pflu and O'Day. Nothing else is even close what that huge mistake caused. Created coaching carousel, uncertainty, change, lack of continuity, suspicion, etc. That was the "scandal", in my view. And at the same time, the new president was unable to address the declining enrollment, or even to slow it. Perhaps not a death spiral, but UM has been severely wounded and damaged by the enrollment decline and related huge drop in funding (the per capita part).

Yes.....that is how I would describe it. Calm down dude haha that put us severely behind the curve. Instead of focusing on moving forward, we shot ourselves in the dick and struggled just to keep our head above water.

That's all behind us, we've stabilized, we have continuity, and we can focus on being on the cutting edge and not the bleeding edge.


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[brewskis]

I think some people forget how many one and done playoff seasons the Griz have had over the years.

As for basketball, it'd be difficult to find a better 10 year stretch in the 100 year history of the program.

How many? Virtually none where the first playoff game was at home.

Really?

1997: One playoff game, a loss at McNeese
1998: One playoff game, a loss at West Ill (by 43 incidentally)
1999: One playoff game, a loss at Youngstown
2002: Two playoff games, a home win, a road loss
2003: One playoff game, a home loss to West Ill
2005: One playoff game, a home loss to CP
2007: One playoff game, a home loss to Wofford
2010: No playoffs
2012: No playoffs



That's during what most would consider the glory days of Griz football. Frankly, it looks pretty similar to what we've seen the last few years.

The other thing to consider, of course, is that most of those "down" periods were followed by deep playoff runs. Give this staff the same chance others got. Good things are on the horizon despite the "death spiral".

What an idiot you are. Apparently you don't understand what "at home" means. Your first 3 examples were road games. You are worse than Price Waterhouse at the Oscars.

I guess losing on the road is an excuse as long as it was pre-Stitt.


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[PlayerRep]

Uhhh, I didn't say anything about home games. I said one and dones. You mentioned home games, for what reason who the f*** knows.

In either event, there was a large number of both, losses on the road and losses at home. Seemingly to anyone who has played the game, first round road losses would be an indicator of a worse year since the team wasn't good enough to secure a home game. But then it's you, so....

You responded to my post, and commented on it; in fact, doubted it. My post said playoff games at home, not on the road. See below. You then recited playoff losses on road. See below. Noticed that you blew your comment on basketball wins too. You are almost as bad at stats and facts as Growler.

PR: How many? Virtually none where the first playoff game was at home.

Everett: Really?

1997: One playoff game, a loss at McNeese
1998: One playoff game, a loss at West Ill (by 43 incidentally)
1999: One playoff game, a loss at Youngstown

....

 

[PlayerRep]

How many? Virtually none where the first playoff game was at home.

Really?

1997: One playoff game, a loss at McNeese
1998: One playoff game, a loss at West Ill (by 43 incidentally)
1999: One playoff game, a loss at Youngstown
2002: Two playoff games, a home win, a road loss
2003: One playoff game, a home loss to West Ill
2005: One playoff game, a home loss to CP
2007: One playoff game, a home loss to Wofford
2010: No playoffs
2012: No playoffs



That's during what most would consider the glory days of Griz football. Frankly, it looks pretty similar to what we've seen the last few years.

The other thing to consider, of course, is that most of those "down" periods were followed by deep playoff runs. Give this staff the same chance others got. Good things are on the horizon despite the "death spiral".

What an idiot you are. Apparently you don't understand what "at home" means. Your first 3 examples were road games. You are worse than Price Waterhouse at the Oscars.

I guess losing on the road is an excuse as long as it was pre-Stitt.


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I hope you know that's it's much harder to win playoff games on the road, than it is in Griz stadium. Jeez, look at the stats. Look at how few playoff games have been won by the Griz on the road.

 

[PlayerRep]

A lot has changed in the world of college athletics, a HUGE amount of change has incurred in the culture of Missoula and Montana as a whole. We got used to things being done in a much more predictable manner, ain't the same. Since the scandal, Montana has been on the BLEEDING edge....it's taking some time, but we will be back on the CUTTING edge soon enough. Hang in there griz nation.


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The "scandal"? How would you describe the scandal? What scandal besides than caused or magnified by mistakes by Engstrom and the dean, and dishonest press from the Missoulian and Krakauer, and then related bad press fueled by Engstrom/dean mistakes and Missoulian/Krakauer? Of course, the Engstrom/dean mistakes and Missoulian/Krakauer dishonesty and exaggeration were huge.

Nothing has hurt UM football more than the firing of Pflu and O'Day. Nothing else is even close what that huge mistake caused. Created coaching carousel, uncertainty, change, lack of continuity, suspicion, etc. That was the "scandal", in my view. And at the same time, the new president was unable to address the declining enrollment, or even to slow it. Perhaps not a death spiral, but UM has been severely wounded and damaged by the enrollment decline and related huge drop in funding (the per capita part).

Yes.....that is how I would describe it. Calm down dude haha that put us severely behind the curve. Instead of focusing on moving forward, we shot ourselves in the dick and struggled just to keep our head above water.

That's all behind us, we've stabilized, we have continuity, and we can focus on being on the cutting edge and not the bleeding edge.


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Okay, then let's see you describe the "SCANDAL".

You think UM has "stabilized"? What do you base that on?

 

[George Ferguson]

The 99 Youngstown loss was a home one and done too BTW. Classic mudpit game in Wash Griz. Griz had a chance to tie the game with :03 on a pretty short FG, and missed it.

 

[PlayerRep]

The 99 Youngstown loss was a home one and done too BTW. Classic mudpit game in Wash Griz. Griz had a chance to tie the game with :03 on a pretty short FG, and missed it.

So, 4 home playoff losses in 18 years. I don't recall many, if any, others in the 90's. I wonder if the total of home playoff games is 4. In about 25 years. Road playoff record, excluding national champ games, is not very good.

I attended 3 of those home losses (not CP). Very painful. Especially Wofford. All of the ones I attended were good games.

 

[brewskis]

Jesus.....mountains, meet molehills.


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[brewskis]

It's hilarious when you get picked apart over the use of the word "scandal" when giving an optimistic point of view for the future of grizzly athletics. Call it what you will. I don't give a shit either way.


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[EverettGriz]

Uhhh, I didn't say anything about home games. I said one and dones. You mentioned home games, for what reason who the f*** knows.

In either event, there was a large number of both, losses on the road and losses at home. Seemingly to anyone who has played the game, first round road losses would be an indicator of a worse year since the team wasn't good enough to secure a home game. But then it's you, so....

You responded to my post, and commented on it; in fact, doubted it. My post said playoff games at home, not on the road. See below. You then recited playoff losses on road. See below. Noticed that you blew your comment on basketball wins too. You are almost as bad at stats and facts as Growler.

PR: How many? Virtually none where the first playoff game was at home.

Everett: Really?

1997: One playoff game, a loss at McNeese
1998: One playoff game, a loss at West Ill (by 43 incidentally)
1999: One playoff game, a loss at Youngstown

....

Siiiiigh.

You responded to MY post initially, in which I said the people forget how many one and dones the Griz have had. You then inexplicably added "home" games; no one knows why.

I then clearly and objectively pointed out that in fact there have been a number of both HOME and away first round losses.

Again, my sincere apologies to the board for having to have these types of conversations with pr repeatedly.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

All this attitude and complaining seems about what most would have predicted when the beginning of this whole scandal took off.

Sanctions, bad press, horrible mismanagement of the scenario, no damage control....and on top of it a giant DBAG author decides to write a book basically bashing your schools entire culture.

Now were at the end of it, and people are kinda freaking the F out because of everything that has transpired over the last 4 years.

Hows that saying go? It always seems darkest before the dawn? Yaaa whats happened at UofM is a freaking case study for that.