• Hi Guest, want to participate in the discussions, keep track of read/unread posts access private forums and more? Create your free account and increase the benefits of your eGriz.com experience today!

Is UM basketball the only team in the country.....

Sweetwyne

Well-known member
That does not get to practice on their home court. I am baffled to why they have to practice at the WAG. It makes no sense to me at all.

They can expect little homecourt advantage since they are basically strangers to Dahlberg Arena.

Is it becaue the Lady Griz complain about court time or what???

All other schools in the country practice on teh court that they play games on.


Someone explain this to me..
 
Sweetwyne said:
That does not get to practice on their home court. I am baffled to why they have to practice at the WAG. It makes no sense to me at all.

They can expect little homecourt advantage since they are basically strangers to Dahlberg Arena.

Is it becaue the Lady Griz complain about court time or what???

All other schools in the country practice on teh court that they play games on.


Someone explain this to me..


I have seen the men practice on the main floor. Also, the UM athletic department does not control the field house arena.

The reason they built the auxiliary gyms is to make it easier to practice, both the mens and womens teams.
 
TrueGriz-

I am not quite understanding you when you say that the athletic department does not control the arena???

That doesnt seem to make too much sense does it???

thanks for the info.
 
After the re-hab of the field house, the tab couldn't be paid by the athletic Dept. so the school now runs the Fieldhouse and pays for it from the General fund. The Athletic Dept pays the school to hold events at the Fieldhouse and the school is able to sched. concert and gun shows for revenue. Did I get it right guys?
 
jagur1 said:
After the re-hab of the field house, the tab couldn't be paid by the athletic Dept. so the school now runs the Fieldhouse and pays for it from the General fund. The Athletic Dept pays the school to hold events at the Fieldhouse and the school is able to sched. concert and gun shows for revenue. Did I get it right guys?

Yep, that is about the guts of it in a nutshell.

I do not like it all. Since the Athletic department has to pay for it, it now goes against the Athletic budget which is in a deficit. I do blame the fieldhouse remodel and the way it is now managed for part of that $1 million deficit. The Athletic department is now responsible to pay off the bonds of that remodel and it is going to take a long time to pay it off.

The Remodel lost 1,500 seats. That is about the amount in average attendance lost per game now. Most of the seats lost were between the baskets, which were the highest revenue seats. To me, the remodel was a Colossal mistake that should never happened.
 
True -

What about after the remodel how the UM "moved" the students off the floor to the 2nd deck for a year or two. Seemed to make a lot of student fans upset and stop going to the games.

I also think the firing of Holst was something that did not make the average Griz fan too happy either.
 
I agree. Pat Kennedy was a Train Wreck. But at the time, no one questioned why he left a $600,000 per year contract at DePaul to get a whopping $110,000 at MT. He left here before he got ran out like he did at DePaul. Towson has cursed themselves. There is one thing Pat Kennedy cares about in life...and that's Pat Kennedy. It is good that the Hogan/Kennedy era is over and that the Griz went to their MT roots in Read, Krysco & Haulk.
 
Re/MaxGriz said:
True -

What about after the remodel how the UM "moved" the students off the floor to the 2nd deck for a year or two. Seemed to make a lot of student fans upset and stop going to the games.

I also think the firing of Holst was something that did not make the average Griz fan too happy either.

There were a declining number of students even before the remodel. Pretty throughout the '90s, student attendance has declined. I sat on the opposite side of the student seating thru the '90s and kept noticing more empty seats each year in the student section. But, yes, it did lose some attendance from students not going. But, the way it was trending, the student section would likely be near empty now. Blaine Taylor was putting out a less than exciting product even though it did win some conference championships. I really hated his revolving door substitution pattern. Killed several rallies.

There really hasn't been any decline in attendance due to Holst being fired. It did make some fans mad the way it was done, but the program was still declining even with Holst. The players were not really playing for Holst. The team barely made the tournament in 2002. It took Holst to make some kind of bribe the players to play for him that enabled the Griz to win the tournament. Basically, he would let them play if they play defense. That tells me he never let them play during the regular season. If he did, I think Griz would have hosted the tournament that year. Also, in 2000, the Griz were off to the worst start in many years in conference, 1 - 4. It took a motivation speech by Kryskoviak, assistant coach at the time, to turn the team around. Holst was quite lucky to have Krysko as an assistant that year.


But, Hogan fires Holst, and makes a bad decision hiring his buddy from Florida State. I consider that two bad coaches were hired by Hogan. But, coaching isn't the reason for the bad remodel. It is hard to get around the seats unless there are nobody in them. The concession areas are so cramped that it doesn't take to many people to make it to crowded to get around, but I guess with the low attendance at the games it doesn't matter. The east side is the best side as most fans go to the west side concessions. Also, The railings in the front row of the upper levels are so low, you are in danger of falling over and cracking your skull hitting the cement concrete floor if your not careful enough.

And, lastly, the arena is so sterile it creates somewhat bad environment. The old arena had it so that noise would bounce off the ceilings, echo throughout and it would be so much noisier. Lady Griz BB team sold out the arena (first team to do it) and if it was in the old arena, the decibel level from the fans would be so much higher. But in the new arena, Some of that noise would have been lost in the rafters.

But, because of the remodel and that the noise doesn't echo off the ceilings like it did before, concerts are better, with better accoustics.
 
'TrueGriz', you seem to be pretty hard on Holst. If someone told you bofore they hired a coach, that 1) We are going to hire this guy for four seasons, 2) We are going to make him play one season in a High School gym, 3) When we move him back to the new gym, he will loose the student section to big money boosters who use their season tickets maybe half the time but He, on behalf of the students, will try harder than anyone in Griz athletics to get those seats back to the loud effective students, 4) He will go through a divorce in his final year, but will battle back from a subpar season to accomplish a Big Sky teams ultimate goal of Going to the NCAA tournament, 5) He will win 1 regular season conference championship, 6) He will win 1 Big Sky Tournament championship (without Krysco on the bench). What would you think?
 
monthoops said:
'TrueGriz', you seem to be pretty hard on Holst. If someone told you bofore they hired a coach, that 1) We are going to hire this guy for four seasons, 2) We are going to make him play one season in a High School gym, 3) When we move him back to the new gym, he will loose the student section to big money boosters who use their season tickets maybe half the time but He, on behalf of the students, will try harder than anyone in Griz athletics to get those seats back to the loud effective students, 4) He will go through a divorce in his final year, but will battle back from a subpar season to accomplish a Big Sky teams ultimate goal of Going to the NCAA tournament, 5) He will win 1 regular season conference championship, 6) He will win 1 Big Sky Tournament championship (without Krysco on the bench). What would you think?

I never was in favor of Holst before they hired him. I wanted a whole different coaching staff. Because BB was declining while Blaine Taylor was coach, especially when it comes to being exciting to watch. Hiring from within a coaching staff that I didn't care for much in the first place was just not what I favored.

The team's that he had were not that exciting to watch, but I still watched them anyway because I am a strong Griz BB supporter, and it was clear to me that the players were not really playing that hard for him his last season, until Holst finally let loose the strings. If he did that the whole season, the Griz would have finished higher up in the standings, with a good chance at first place, and the team would have been so much more fun to watch. And, if we continued with him, the program would have gone into a deeper funk. I do not let the Big Sky Tournament mask the problems that were sprouting with the team like some fans.

It is unfortunate though that Hogan hired a worse coach in Kennedy, but Kennedy has recruited some players that is going to improve the Griz in the future.

Krysko has a base to work with. I hope he can expand upon it. I see an upside to the program now. I have not seen it during anytime of Holst's career here as head coach. Heck, in a way, the program was in decline when Blaine Taylor was head coach. Blaine didn't leave anything for Holst. And Holst really didn't leave much for Kennedy except David Bell. Griz were really lucky to win that 2002 Big Sky tournament. And it was because of the players, not the coach. If the coach didn't let loose the strings he had attached on his players throughout the whole regular season, the Griz would not have won that tournament.

And yes, I am hard on him, because I am hard on Griz BB. I will be hard on Krysko once he gets the program back on track, if he does. I sure hope he does. I expect a lot from it, and the coaches. Why should we not.


Coaches have gone through a lot worse than what Holst has been through and succeeded. EWU's Paul Wulf is an example of that.
 
Monthoops, I have been doing extra thinking, and really, I do not have anything against Holst. The roots of my displeasure really started with Blaine Taylor, though the cause of that may have started with Stew Morrill.

You see, I really loved to watch the basketball program back in the late '70s and '80s. Outside of Jud Heathcote, Griz never won a big sky tournament, never won the Big sky conference from '78 to '91. But I really liked to watch the teams more than watching Blaine Taylor and Don Holst coached teams. It really isn't necessarily winning something, be it the conference championship which I think has more meaning than just a 3 game series in one week when the rest of the season was mediocre at best. You might as well not even come to watch the regular season games, just go to the tournament and watch that.

But the difference between Mike Montgomery coached teams and Blaine Taylor/ Don Holst coached teams were the dependency on freshman players who stick around for 4 years versus trying to maintain and/or build a program around 2 year players. I cannot think of very many JC recruits at all in the late '70s and '80s.

Stew Morrill did recruit a couple of JC recruits, Kevin Kearney and Delvon Anderson. They were good, helped win a couple of Big Sky Conference and tournament championships. Great. But, somehow, it seemed Blaine Taylor started to bring in more JC recruits, most of them, if any, not close to the calibre of player that Kearney and Anderson. Too many 2 year players reduce consistency of success every season. Plus, Taylor's substitution pattern seemed to have killed rallies and thus the excitement of the game.

The attendance during the period that Taylor coached dropped over 2,000 fans a game, from around 7,000 a game, down to just under 5,000 a game. Seems many fans were getting bored with Griz BB under Taylor.

So, after Taylor, I wanted a whole different staff. Holst I felt would just continue what Blaine Taylor brought us. More JC recruits and the same kind of system. He did just that, and he also was quite a bit more uptight, to top it off. He relied to heavily on JC recruits. The lack of consistency of the teams showed throughout all the years he was coach.

Kennedy, though, it didn't appear he was that good of a coach on the floor, at least recruited a pair of good freshman players, and Krysko signed 3 new high school recruits. The return to relying on high school players to build a program is good in my opinion. IMHO, you build a program with 4 year players, but you can fill any small holes with 1 or 2 JC players. Taylor went the JC route and program started to slide. Holst and Kennedy (his first year) tried to rebuild the program around to many JC players and program slid further, though they did find success when one of the best JC recruit, Matt Williams had his outstanding senior season which is about the most you can expect from a JC recruit, 1 year. Taylor and Holst relied to heavily on JC recruits and thus the program started to slide and would have continued to slide if Holst remained as coach and continued to rely on JC recruits which he would have.

The only way out was to find a coach that can return back to how it was done in the '80s and hire Krysko. And from what I am seeing from the recruits he already signed, He is doing that. Krysko's mentor, Montgomery, relied almost strictly to 4 year players. I expect that will be where it will be going, and I see only an upside to that. Fans will be able to identify more with the players having them in the system longer.

Thus, attendance should hopefully improve, but no longer decline as it has been.

So, finally, It has more to do than just being hard on Holst.
 
Coach K is a massive improvement over Kennedy. Given time I think that
that he will improve things. The key is recruiting-EWU has recruited great the last 2yrs-no reason why Montana can't do the same-the key is nationally-not local focus.
 
Back
Top