is this the swagger we were promised?

[UMcheer2000]

PR, could you pose these questions to the players and coaches at the next party on the lake?

Asking for a friend

 

[PlayerRep]

We're only a year away from swaggertown.

Concur with your comment. Impatience and the thought Coach Hauck and staff would swing this Team to a BSC championship this year have rose colored glasses on. There should be continued support for the Team and coaching staff this year vs the blatant criticism every week.

Agreed. Plus, we know BH will definitely better last year's record given the easier schedule. That will be enough to get into the playoffs and maybe it will all fall in place at the right time.

I don't think this year's schedule is easier than last year's.

Two MV schools and Drake (only loss is to Griz) is tougher than UW, Valpo and Savannah (won 2 last year), in my view.

I think ND, MSU and PSU are better this year than last year.

SS (BH said they were best team we'd played), CP (they came alive last week), Davis (very good), So. Utah (0-5 with losses to Oregon St, Arizona, EWU, NAU and No. Ala.) and Idaho (2-3) v. EWU (good), ISU (4-7 ), Weber (good), NAU (good) and UNC (3-7). This part of the schedule was probably tougher last year, unless So Utah and/or Ida. come alive.

 

[PlayerRep]

PR, could you pose these questions to the players and coaches at the next party on the lake?

Asking for a friend

I already have. They said they are working on it.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

We're only a year away from swaggertown.

Concur with your comment. Impatience and the thought Coach Hauck and staff would swing this Team to a BSC championship this year have rose colored glasses on. There should be continued support for the Team and coaching staff this year vs the blatant criticism every week.

Agreed. Plus, we know BH will definitely better last year's record given the easier schedule. That will be enough to get into the playoffs and maybe it will all fall in place at the right time.

I don't think this year's schedule is easier than last year's.

Two MV schools and Drake (only loss is to Griz) is tougher than UW, Valpo and Savannah (won 2 last year), in my view.

I think ND, MSU and PSU are better this year than last year.

SS (BH said they were best team we'd played), CP (they came alive last week), Davis (very good), So. Utah (0-5 with losses to Oregon St, Arizona, EWU, NAU and No. Ala.) and Idaho (2-3) v. EWU (good), ISU (4-7 ), Weber (good), NAU (good) and UNC (3-7). This part of the schedule was probably tougher last year, unless So Utah and/or Ida. come alive.

Shhhhh! You're blowing up my swaggerwagon!

 

[kemajic]

the attitude? the toughness that was missing? the i'm-gonna-compete-harder-than-the-other-guy belief that was supposed to be instilled in the players? i really want to know, are we there yet? there were so many "promises" made about the magic of hauck, i lost count. was the swagger visible in that big win over sac state, or maybe cal poly? drake?

also, which win was the big 'signature' type win that the old coaches couldn't manage? uni? drake? sac state? cal poly? please help me out here, those who can see bobby's greatness. where can i find the swagger?

Who promised swagger? Some posters on egriz? Don't think Hauck did. If he did, call it to our attention.

Swagger comes with success and continued success. It doesn't happen overnight, if it ever happens. It often doesn't happen quickly under a new coach, where it wasn't there previously.

If you can see that the Griz are playing harder and more physical this year, than past years, then I can't help you. It's clear to me.

The Griz lost to CP in 2015 and 2016. So, Stitt never beat them. I think I heard that UM hadn't beaten CP on the road since Hauck was last here. So that was a good win, and looked even better when CP beat SS last weekend.

NI was a good win. We'll see how they do the rest of the season. Their losses are to UM, NDSU and Iowa (or St). SS was a nice win.

The 2 losses were unfortunate. It's pretty hard to win games when there have been 4 or 5 turnovers and a punt or punt return disaster.

I didn't see the PSU game, so can't comment specifically there. The ND game on the road will be a big and important test. I have liked what I have seen with the team and Sneed so far (again missed the last game). I am hopeful. But even prior to the PSU loss, it wasn't clear to me how good the Griz were and would be this year. I am hoping they can beat ND and show improvement as the season continues.

haslem said he hired hauck to get the swagger back. pretty sure he did indeed use the word "swagger". dunno if hauck ever said it.

i think the griz have played hard every year i've watched. while i suppose there are ways one could try to quantify "playing hard" by counting plays taken off (given up on by a player) during the game, or some such measure, i don't know how accurate it would be. the only ones who could probably reallyanswer are the players themselves - and only really for themselves as individuals. ask ten from this year and ten from last year if their team played "harder", you might get 20 different answers. also, what's more important, playing hard, or playing smart and efficient? you have heard of the phrase 'trying too hard', right? maybe this team has been put in a position where they are doing just that, and making extra mistakes because of it?

it was good that um won the uni game, but uni, which overall appeared to have the better team, doesn't look like that good of a team, given their record. in fact, none of the teams montana have played look that good on paper, yet they are only 4 - 2. not sure what losing to cal poly in 2015 and 2016 has to do with anything.

are you trying to say that attitude/emotion don't affect how college football players play? i thought one of the points of hiring bobby was to instill the attitude it takes to win?

on another note, anybody know what the combined records are of the teams montana has played so far? i'm guessing it isn't very good.

You clearly either missed the CPSLO game or watched through your "Never Hauck" narrative. Protheroe was quoted after the game that he had never played against a more physical team. They are young and going to be up and down, but they are hitting people hard. Consistency will come in time. A work in progress after 6 games.

The only opponent W/L record that is important is UND. They are 3-2.

 

[PlayerRep]

the attitude? the toughness that was missing? the i'm-gonna-compete-harder-than-the-other-guy belief that was supposed to be instilled in the players? i really want to know, are we there yet? there were so many "promises" made about the magic of hauck, i lost count. was the swagger visible in that big win over sac state, or maybe cal poly? drake?

also, which win was the big 'signature' type win that the old coaches couldn't manage? uni? drake? sac state? cal poly? please help me out here, those who can see bobby's greatness. where can i find the swagger?

Who promised swagger? Some posters on egriz? Don't think Hauck did. If he did, call it to our attention.

Swagger comes with success and continued success. It doesn't happen overnight, if it ever happens. It often doesn't happen quickly under a new coach, where it wasn't there previously.

If you can see that the Griz are playing harder and more physical this year, than past years, then I can't help you. It's clear to me.

The Griz lost to CP in 2015 and 2016. So, Stitt never beat them. I think I heard that UM hadn't beaten CP on the road since Hauck was last here. So that was a good win, and looked even better when CP beat SS last weekend.

NI was a good win. We'll see how they do the rest of the season. Their losses are to UM, NDSU and Iowa (or St). SS was a nice win.

The 2 losses were unfortunate. It's pretty hard to win games when there have been 4 or 5 turnovers and a punt or punt return disaster.

I didn't see the PSU game, so can't comment specifically there. The ND game on the road will be a big and important test. I have liked what I have seen with the team and Sneed so far (again missed the last game). I am hopeful. But even prior to the PSU loss, it wasn't clear to me how good the Griz were and would be this year. I am hoping they can beat ND and show improvement as the season continues.

haslem said he hired hauck to get the swagger back. pretty sure he did indeed use the word "swagger". dunno if hauck ever said it.

i think the griz have played hard every year i've watched. while i suppose there are ways one could try to quantify "playing hard" by counting plays taken off (given up on by a player) during the game, or some such measure, i don't know how accurate it would be. the only ones who could probably reallyanswer are the players themselves - and only really for themselves as individuals. ask ten from this year and ten from last year if their team played "harder", you might get 20 different answers. also, what's more important, playing hard, or playing smart and efficient? you have heard of the phrase 'trying too hard', right? maybe this team has been put in a position where they are doing just that, and making extra mistakes because of it?

it was good that um won the uni game, but uni, which overall appeared to have the better team, doesn't look like that good of a team, given their record. in fact, none of the teams montana have played look that good on paper, yet they are only 4 - 2. not sure what losing to cal poly in 2015 and 2016 has to do with anything.

are you trying to say that attitude/emotion don't affect how college football players play? i thought one of the points of hiring bobby was to instill the attitude it takes to win?

on another note, anybody know what the combined records are of the teams montana has played so far? i'm guessing it isn't very good.

You clearly either missed the CPSLO game or watched through your "Never Hauck" narrative. Protheroe was quoted after the game that he had never played against a more physical team. They are young and going to be up and down, but they are hitting people hard. Consistency will come in time. A work in progress after 6 games.

The only opponent W/L record that is important is UND. They are 3-2.

How can you judge NI as weak, at this point? They have lost only to UM, Iowa (38-14) and NDSU.

WI has lost to MSU, Illinois and Ill. St. Ill St. is 4-1.

Drake has lost only to UM.

Aren't you a researcher.? Try doing some research before posting.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

I checked my Swagger-O-Meter towards the end of the PSU game, and it registered a 145, which falls into the "Tail Between Your Legs" category. 300 is "Average Swag." What do we need to do to get into the "Rooster Strut" area at least?

 

[MikeyGriz]

the attitude? the toughness that was missing? the i'm-gonna-compete-harder-than-the-other-guy belief that was supposed to be instilled in the players? i really want to know, are we there yet? there were so many "promises" made about the magic of hauck, i lost count. was the swagger visible in that big win over sac state, or maybe cal poly? drake?

also, which win was the big 'signature' type win that the old coaches couldn't manage? uni? drake? sac state? cal poly? please help me out here, those who can see bobby's greatness. where can i find the swagger?

It may not be the swagger, but it is the whining we've come to expect.

 

[argh!]

the attitude? the toughness that was missing? the i'm-gonna-compete-harder-than-the-other-guy belief that was supposed to be instilled in the players? i really want to know, are we there yet? there were so many "promises" made about the magic of hauck, i lost count. was the swagger visible in that big win over sac state, or maybe cal poly? drake?

also, which win was the big 'signature' type win that the old coaches couldn't manage? uni? drake? sac state? cal poly? please help me out here, those who can see bobby's greatness. where can i find the swagger?

It may not be the swagger, but it is the whining we've come to expect.

just carrying on the tradition from the last 3 years.

 

[argh!]

Who promised swagger? Some posters on egriz? Don't think Hauck did. If he did, call it to our attention.

Swagger comes with success and continued success. It doesn't happen overnight, if it ever happens. It often doesn't happen quickly under a new coach, where it wasn't there previously.

If you can see that the Griz are playing harder and more physical this year, than past years, then I can't help you. It's clear to me.

The Griz lost to CP in 2015 and 2016. So, Stitt never beat them. I think I heard that UM hadn't beaten CP on the road since Hauck was last here. So that was a good win, and looked even better when CP beat SS last weekend.

NI was a good win. We'll see how they do the rest of the season. Their losses are to UM, NDSU and Iowa (or St). SS was a nice win.

The 2 losses were unfortunate. It's pretty hard to win games when there have been 4 or 5 turnovers and a punt or punt return disaster.

I didn't see the PSU game, so can't comment specifically there. The ND game on the road will be a big and important test. I have liked what I have seen with the team and Sneed so far (again missed the last game). I am hopeful. But even prior to the PSU loss, it wasn't clear to me how good the Griz were and would be this year. I am hoping they can beat ND and show improvement as the season continues.

haslem said he hired hauck to get the swagger back. pretty sure he did indeed use the word "swagger". dunno if hauck ever said it.

i think the griz have played hard every year i've watched. while i suppose there are ways one could try to quantify "playing hard" by counting plays taken off (given up on by a player) during the game, or some such measure, i don't know how accurate it would be. the only ones who could probably reallyanswer are the players themselves - and only really for themselves as individuals. ask ten from this year and ten from last year if their team played "harder", you might get 20 different answers. also, what's more important, playing hard, or playing smart and efficient? you have heard of the phrase 'trying too hard', right? maybe this team has been put in a position where they are doing just that, and making extra mistakes because of it?

it was good that um won the uni game, but uni, which overall appeared to have the better team, doesn't look like that good of a team, given their record. in fact, none of the teams montana have played look that good on paper, yet they are only 4 - 2. not sure what losing to cal poly in 2015 and 2016 has to do with anything.

are you trying to say that attitude/emotion don't affect how college football players play? i thought one of the points of hiring bobby was to instill the attitude it takes to win?

on another note, anybody know what the combined records are of the teams montana has played so far? i'm guessing it isn't very good.

You clearly either missed the CPSLO game or watched through your "Never Hauck" narrative. Protheroe was quoted after the game that he had never played against a more physical team. They are young and going to be up and down, but they are hitting people hard. Consistency will come in time. A work in progress after 6 games.

The only opponent W/L record that is important is UND. They are 3-2.

How can you judge NI as weak, at this point? They have lost only to UM, Iowa (38-14) and NDSU.

WI has lost to MSU, Illinois and Ill. St. Ill St. is 4-1.

Drake has lost only to UM.

Aren't you a researcher.? Try doing some research before posting.

what am i supposed to research, "greenie's alternative facts", the resource that says uni and wiu are good teams, despite their losing records? ok. i guess i should've qualified that 'good' meant at least winning more games than losing.

and drake is... drake.

as for the cal poly comment about hard hitting, i'm pretty sure other teams in the last three years came away saying the griz were 'hard hitting', probably because the previous coaches recruited some good, hard-hitting players like buss, olsen, etc... it wasn't like they were going to stop hitting hard because hauck is the coach.

geez you old men are bad at arguing.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

the attitude? the toughness that was missing? the i'm-gonna-compete-harder-than-the-other-guy belief that was supposed to be instilled in the players? i really want to know, are we there yet? there were so many "promises" made about the magic of hauck, i lost count. was the swagger visible in that big win over sac state, or maybe cal poly? drake?

also, which win was the big 'signature' type win that the old coaches couldn't manage? uni? drake? sac state? cal poly? please help me out here, those who can see bobby's greatness. where can i find the swagger?

Lot of swagger at my tailgate by god!

Swagger or Stagger?

All Schweiger, no braun. Pretty lily-livered if you ask me. Very veak! Guten abend und guten nacht!

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I checked my Swagger-O-Meter towards the end of the PSU game, and it registered a 145, which falls into the "Tail Between Your Legs" category. 300 is "Average Swag." What do we need to do to get into the "Rooster Strut" area at least?

A win this weekend could get us to 450, which is just short of "Rooster Strut". Finishing 9-2 would rocket us well into the "1960s Arnold Palmer" swag area.

 

[zengriz]

...swagger conjures thoughts of john wayne...
..."character" might be a better sematic to use...
...losing is a great motivator in building character...
...let's see how they respond before you condemn them...

... ...

 

[AZGrizFan]

the attitude? the toughness that was missing? the i'm-gonna-compete-harder-than-the-other-guy belief that was supposed to be instilled in the players? i really want to know, are we there yet? there were so many "promises" made about the magic of hauck, i lost count. was the swagger visible in that big win over sac state, or maybe cal poly? drake?

also, which win was the big 'signature' type win that the old coaches couldn't manage? uni? drake? sac state? cal poly? please help me out here, those who can see bobby's greatness. where can i find the swagger?

Who promised swagger? Some posters on egriz? Don't think Hauck did. If he did, call it to our attention.

Swagger comes with success and continued success. It doesn't happen overnight, if it ever happens. It often doesn't happen quickly under a new coach, where it wasn't there previously.

If you can see that the Griz are playing harder and more physical this year, than past years, then I can't help you. It's clear to me.

The Griz lost to CP in 2015 and 2016. So, Stitt never beat them. I think I heard that UM hadn't beaten CP on the road since Hauck was last here. So that was a good win, and looked even better when CP beat SS last weekend.

NI was a good win. We'll see how they do the rest of the season. Their losses are to UM, NDSU and Iowa (or St). SS was a nice win.

The 2 losses were unfortunate. It's pretty hard to win games when there have been 4 or 5 turnovers and a punt or punt return disaster.

I didn't see the PSU game, so can't comment specifically there. The ND game on the road will be a big and important test. I have liked what I have seen with the team and Sneed so far (again missed the last game). I am hopeful. But even prior to the PSU loss, it wasn't clear to me how good the Griz were and would be this year. I am hoping they can beat ND and show improvement as the season continues.

haslem said he hired hauck to get the swagger back. pretty sure he did indeed use the word "swagger". dunno if hauck ever said it.

i think the griz have played hard every year i've watched. while i suppose there are ways one could try to quantify "playing hard" by counting plays taken off (given up on by a player) during the game, or some such measure, i don't know how accurate it would be. the only ones who could probably reallyanswer are the players themselves - and only really for themselves as individuals. ask ten from this year and ten from last year if their team played "harder", you might get 20 different answers. also, what's more important, playing hard, or playing smart and efficient? you have heard of the phrase 'trying too hard', right? maybe this team has been put in a position where they are doing just that, and making extra mistakes because of it?

it was good that um won the uni game, but uni, which overall appeared to have the better team, doesn't look like that good of a team, given their record. in fact, none of the teams montana have played look that good on paper, yet they are only 4 - 2. not sure what losing to cal poly in 2015 and 2016 has to do with anything.

are you trying to say that attitude/emotion don't affect how college football players play? i thought one of the points of hiring bobby was to instill the attitude it takes to win?

on another note, anybody know what the combined records are of the teams montana has played so far? i'm guessing it isn't very good.

13-18

UNI 2-3
Drake 3-1
WIU 2-3
Sac State 2-3
Cal Poly 2-4
PSU 2-4

Not sure why this matters, but whatever.

 

[argh!]

the attitude? the toughness that was missing? the i'm-gonna-compete-harder-than-the-other-guy belief that was supposed to be instilled in the players? i really want to know, are we there yet? there were so many "promises" made about the magic of hauck, i lost count. was the swagger visible in that big win over sac state, or maybe cal poly? drake?

also, which win was the big 'signature' type win that the old coaches couldn't manage? uni? drake? sac state? cal poly? please help me out here, those who can see bobby's greatness. where can i find the swagger?

Who promised swagger? Some posters on egriz? Don't think Hauck did. If he did, call it to our attention.

Swagger comes with success and continued success. It doesn't happen overnight, if it ever happens. It often doesn't happen quickly under a new coach, where it wasn't there previously.

If you can see that the Griz are playing harder and more physical this year, than past years, then I can't help you. It's clear to me.

The Griz lost to CP in 2015 and 2016. So, Stitt never beat them. I think I heard that UM hadn't beaten CP on the road since Hauck was last here. So that was a good win, and looked even better when CP beat SS last weekend.

NI was a good win. We'll see how they do the rest of the season. Their losses are to UM, NDSU and Iowa (or St). SS was a nice win.

The 2 losses were unfortunate. It's pretty hard to win games when there have been 4 or 5 turnovers and a punt or punt return disaster.

I didn't see the PSU game, so can't comment specifically there. The ND game on the road will be a big and important test. I have liked what I have seen with the team and Sneed so far (again missed the last game). I am hopeful. But even prior to the PSU loss, it wasn't clear to me how good the Griz were and would be this year. I am hoping they can beat ND and show improvement as the season continues.

haslem said he hired hauck to get the swagger back. pretty sure he did indeed use the word "swagger". dunno if hauck ever said it.

i think the griz have played hard every year i've watched. while i suppose there are ways one could try to quantify "playing hard" by counting plays taken off (given up on by a player) during the game, or some such measure, i don't know how accurate it would be. the only ones who could probably reallyanswer are the players themselves - and only really for themselves as individuals. ask ten from this year and ten from last year if their team played "harder", you might get 20 different answers. also, what's more important, playing hard, or playing smart and efficient? you have heard of the phrase 'trying too hard', right? maybe this team has been put in a position where they are doing just that, and making extra mistakes because of it?

it was good that um won the uni game, but uni, which overall appeared to have the better team, doesn't look like that good of a team, given their record. in fact, none of the teams montana have played look that good on paper, yet they are only 4 - 2. not sure what losing to cal poly in 2015 and 2016 has to do with anything.

are you trying to say that attitude/emotion don't affect how college football players play? i thought one of the points of hiring bobby was to instill the attitude it takes to win?

on another note, anybody know what the combined records are of the teams montana has played so far? i'm guessing it isn't very good.

13-18

UNI 2-3
Drake 3-1
WIU 2-3
Sac State 2-3
Cal Poly 2-4
PSU 2-4

Not sure why this matters, but whatever.

standard football cliche: the thought that you can measure your team by the records of the teams your team has won (or lost) games with.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Who promised swagger? Some posters on egriz? Don't think Hauck did. If he did, call it to our attention.

Swagger comes with success and continued success. It doesn't happen overnight, if it ever happens. It often doesn't happen quickly under a new coach, where it wasn't there previously.

If you can see that the Griz are playing harder and more physical this year, than past years, then I can't help you. It's clear to me.

The Griz lost to CP in 2015 and 2016. So, Stitt never beat them. I think I heard that UM hadn't beaten CP on the road since Hauck was last here. So that was a good win, and looked even better when CP beat SS last weekend.

NI was a good win. We'll see how they do the rest of the season. Their losses are to UM, NDSU and Iowa (or St). SS was a nice win.

The 2 losses were unfortunate. It's pretty hard to win games when there have been 4 or 5 turnovers and a punt or punt return disaster.

I didn't see the PSU game, so can't comment specifically there. The ND game on the road will be a big and important test. I have liked what I have seen with the team and Sneed so far (again missed the last game). I am hopeful. But even prior to the PSU loss, it wasn't clear to me how good the Griz were and would be this year. I am hoping they can beat ND and show improvement as the season continues.

haslem said he hired hauck to get the swagger back. pretty sure he did indeed use the word "swagger". dunno if hauck ever said it.

i think the griz have played hard every year i've watched. while i suppose there are ways one could try to quantify "playing hard" by counting plays taken off (given up on by a player) during the game, or some such measure, i don't know how accurate it would be. the only ones who could probably reallyanswer are the players themselves - and only really for themselves as individuals. ask ten from this year and ten from last year if their team played "harder", you might get 20 different answers. also, what's more important, playing hard, or playing smart and efficient? you have heard of the phrase 'trying too hard', right? maybe this team has been put in a position where they are doing just that, and making extra mistakes because of it?

it was good that um won the uni game, but uni, which overall appeared to have the better team, doesn't look like that good of a team, given their record. in fact, none of the teams montana have played look that good on paper, yet they are only 4 - 2. not sure what losing to cal poly in 2015 and 2016 has to do with anything.

are you trying to say that attitude/emotion don't affect how college football players play? i thought one of the points of hiring bobby was to instill the attitude it takes to win?

on another note, anybody know what the combined records are of the teams montana has played so far? i'm guessing it isn't very good.

13-18

UNI 2-3
Drake 3-1
WIU 2-3
Sac State 2-3
Cal Poly 2-4
PSU 2-4

Not sure why this matters, but whatever.

standard football cliche: the thought that you can measure your team by the records of the teams your team has won (or lost) games with.

Well they'd be 11-14 if they hadn't played Montana. Does that help?

 

[reinell30]

Two teams we played and the Cats played are WIU and PSU Cats beat them both and we lost to both...This teams swagger is not present yet!

 

[griznation23]

:shock: R U Serious!?! Is this a serious question? Dude this is haucks first year back with a team that had 16 scholarships to WR and 6 Oline with scholarships. This is not his team at all. I Think you need to hold off on ignorant questions like this until next year this time... dang :roll:

 

[CDAGRIZ]

The time-honored Transitive Property gets really fun later in the season.

 

[argh!]

The time-honored Transitive Property gets really fun later in the season.

yeah, can't wait for the discussions about how some other coach would've done.

*edit* - not counting the ones that have already been made about how much more fire, grit, focus and determination this team has compared to, say, last year's. as evidenced by last saturday, especially.