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is this any way to run a program?

truth is always seen and seldom heard. (remember katrina?) and i've been guilty of praising some recruits i hadn't seen--stockton, woods, ward. still haven't seen woods or ward, but when i finally saw stockton last year at portland state, i thought he was awfully slow. but then our entire team looked like ice sculptures that game.

as to the two i saw before their arrival--swift and cherry. swift was a very good player on a high school championship team but something happened at montana. krysko "heidelbergered" him as a freshman, blowing off a redshirt year for about twenty minutes. even at sac state, with the game decided and many of swift's family and friends in the crowd, krysko did not play him a single second. the next year at sacto he got into the game, and quickly demonstrated he was about the only montana player capable of creating his own shot, of slicing to the basket. still, he only got a few minutes. what the behind-the-scenes story was, i never knew.

cherry has a lousy shot--that's why we got him. still, his quicks and athleticism are incredible. if he's not a star in the big sky conference, i will have created yet another "hairy" situation.
 
citygriz said:
truth is always seen and seldom heard. (remember katrina?) and i've been guilty of praising some recruits i hadn't seen--stockton, woods, ward. still haven't seen woods or ward, but when i finally saw stockton last year at portland state, i thought he was awfully slow. but then our entire team looked like ice sculptures that game.

as to the two i saw before their arrival--swift and cherry. swift was a very good player on a high school championship team but something happened at montana. krysko "heidelbergered" him as a freshman, blowing off a redshirt year for about twenty minutes. even at sac state, with the game decided and many of swift's family and friends in the crowd, krysko did not play him a single second. the next year at sacto he got into the game, and quickly demonstrated he was about the only montana player capable of creating his own shot, of slicing to the basket. still, he only got a few minutes. what the behind-the-scenes story was, i never knew.

cherry has a lousy shot--that's why we got him. still, his quicks and athleticism are incredible. if he's not a star in the big sky conference, i will have created yet another "hairy" situation.
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Swift isn't exactly lighting it up at the D-II level either. He may have been a stud in HS, but during his D-II playing time he hasn't looked like a guy that should be playing D-I to me. Maybe TInkle just learned that he wasn't as good as was anticipated.
 
Grizfan-24 said:
You are entitled to your opinion. My point and argument was that TInkle is recruiting. Moreover, difficult to recruit into a confernce that boasts directional schools. Not saying it is impossible, just difficult to get 4 year talent here. Howland proved in his time at NAU you can go find recruits in the same places that everyone else is looking and fit what you are tryin to accomplish.Tinkle in his years here is using the same formula. The era the UofM had a chance to establish itself (much like the football team did) as the class of the conference, we failed to do so and NAU, Weber State and PSU are consistently better. We ran out mediocre recruit after recruit until the end of Kennedy era (I still don't call Criswell a recruit, we were lucky that someone didn't offer him a fully scholly somewhere else).

Looking at the roster...two things jump out at me. First AJ is a legit talent. Second, Selvig when healthy is a game changer. I really belive more than any other new or returing player that will change the landscpae of this team is Selvig getting 25-30 minutes of playing time this year. Really, he is the complimentary player AJ needs to open the floor up. Sharp nor Qvale couldn't provide that last year.

What tinkle needs to refine isn't his recruiting, it is on court stuff. People who criticize him for that are well founded. Teams have struggled for consistency and leadership in his tenure and if things don't change then maybe they need to go in another direction. Offensively, he reminds me of the first years that I started coaching basketball, a lot of offenses but very few of them run really well.


This is the year for me. Things don't work out, then I am open to seeing a potential change down the road. Because i see some if not all of the puzzle pieces could be in place.
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Selvig is a "game changer"? Oh please!
 
Just a quick question Hairy,

is it your opinion that Selvig isn't a significant upgrade at the 4 over sharp? He has four inches, great hands, and a scoring touch of which Sharp had none of. Of the number of games that i observed last year, we were much better with Selvig on the floor. I belive he makes our offense significantly better. Teams won't be able to pack the key as they did at the end of the year against AJ.
 
Grizfan-24 said:
Just a quick question Hairy,

is it your opinion that Selvig isn't a significant upgrade at the 4 over sharp? He has four inches, great hands, and a scoring touch of which Sharp had none of. Of the number of games that i observed last year, we were much better with Selvig on the floor. I belive he makes our offense significantly better. Teams won't be able to pack the key as they did at the end of the year against AJ.
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I 100% agree the GRIZ were a better team, offensively and defensively with Selvig on the floor. Defensively he can defend the paint or keep the perimeter in check with his length. Offensively, continiutity was much better.

Is he game changer? It depends on your definition of game changer. At this stage in his career, not yet. Is he capable of being a game changer? IF healthy, he is capable of being a game changer on both sides of the court, and he does have the skill set and understanding to make team mates better. I do not expect him to elevate his game to game changer until end of this year or jr year.

When that happens will depend on how his team mates perform and when Tinkle feels Selvig is ready to take on that kind of role.
 
To me, a game changer is a first team All-Conference player who can single-handedly take over a game and lead his team to victory. Selvig will never be that player.
 
i think you all underestimate the importance of having a guy like kyle sharp on the floor. he was an absolute monster on the boards, both offensively and defensively, which is something the griz desperately needed because the rest of their bigs like hasquet and strait were as soft as butter. don't get me wrong, those guys could score, but neither one could guard a soul or get a rebound when it mattered. hasquet could rebound offensively but only because he knew it was a way to get easy buckets and he wanted nothing to do with the defensive rebounds. derek selvig is 7 feet and can shoot, and that is it. he is way to light in the pants to do anything in the paint, and way too slow with no handles to do anything on the perimeter. has anyone ever seen him dunk?if you have you know it's a struggle because he has zero athleticism. i would take a guy like sharp any day over selvig because there is no comparison on the toughness level, plus i like sharp's offensive game better anyways.
 
grizzle said:
i think you all underestimate the importance of having a guy like kyle sharp on the floor. he was an absolute monster on the boards, both offensively and defensively, which is something the griz desperately needed because the rest of their bigs like hasquet and strait were as soft as butter. don't get me wrong, those guys could score, but neither one could guard a soul or get a rebound when it mattered. hasquet could rebound offensively but only because he knew it was a way to get easy buckets and he wanted nothing to do with the defensive rebounds. derek selvig is 7 feet and can shoot, and that is it. he is way to light in the pants to do anything in the paint, and way too slow with no handles to do anything on the perimeter. has anyone ever seen him dunk?if you have you know it's a struggle because he has zero athleticism. i would take a guy like sharp any day over selvig because there is no comparison on the toughness level, plus i like sharp's offensive game better anyways.
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I think you may be in for a surprise or two next fall concerning Selvig! ;) ! I do agree that Sharp was a tough and extremely tenacious player. I also think you you sold Strait short "soft as butter" :? .???
 
I feel Strait and Hasquet both should have been better with interior defense and rebounding. With that said, Strait's rebounding numbers in the pro league he played in were surprisingly solid. I think Strait could have averaged 8 boards per game his JR and SR years. Hasquet should have averaged 10 boards, due to the matchup problem he was.

I wish both would have been asked and expected to do more on the boards and interior defense. I felt Strait did well offensively in the paint. Which I pray that does not hurt us again this year. So much depends on the development of Selvig, Qvale, and Ward. If we do not have consistent inside scoring and rebounding, we again will have a rollercoaster season, which at this stage of Tinkle's coaching progress, would not be good.

I feel it is time for the talent to develop on the floor. If it develops, Tinkle will be here for a while. If it falters, we may see another coach when his contract is up. I am hoping for the 1st mentioned option. I like Tinkle as our coach, but yet want the GRIZ to be much better nationally.
 
It's simple people, Tinkle is entering his 4th year (not 3rd like was stated earlier), which means all the players in the program were recruited under his tenure as HC. So this season will be a defining one when it comes to whether or not the program is moving in the right direction or not. Critics will either grow or disappear and hopefully many questions will be answered. As for the topic well my opinion is that they could do a better job of running the program but, I'm not there everyday and I haven't walked in the coach's shoes and I can tell you NCAA rules are a bear especially on what you can report on scheduling and recruiting.

On a side note I came across P Kennedy's bio at Towson and he's trying to take credit for Larry K's run at Montana. Check it out and I will say that no coach can do worse than he did in Missoula.
 
Thought I heard during the football 1/2 time show that this year will be an exciting one for Giz fans. Different team from years past, very athletic team. I will say Tinks has scheduled good teams (Away from Dahlberg), hope he is right and this is the year talent is utilized.
 
More athletic? Define the word "more".

Gone are Elgin-Taylor, Sharp, and Hasquet.
Coming in Young, Cherry, and Hutchison OK that is a plus on athletisisim.

Now lets look at posisiton.

Sharp Gone and Qvale new starter, thats a negative (athletic wise)
Hasquet gone and Selvig new stater, wash / maybe negative (If Ward negative)
McGillis returns
Staudacher return but assume Young takes this spot, big plus
Johnson returns but a big drop off at this spot when (if) he leaves the game.

Cherry and Young will give the Griz a more athletisim when or if they can take Staudacher off the court. If Cherry can earn the back up role from Stockton that will offset somewhat the loss of Elgin-Taylor athleticism. So the guards could be more athletic. The front court positions though are going to be much less athletic, unless Tinkle starts McGillis and Young at the forward spots and Cherry at the shooting guard, other wise I find a starting line up of Johnson Young McGillis Selvig and Qvale at best slightly more athletic than Sharp, Hasquet, McGillis, Staudacher, and Johnson.

Losing Woods really hurt the athleticism argument

Now do not get me wrong, I beleive the Griz are going to be a top 2-4 team next year especially with Johnson back, but if you were to rank the athleticism of the 9 Big Sky teams the Griz would definitely be in the bottom of the list.-
 
Actually, I feel pretty safe in saying that in addition to Johnson starting at least that the Griz return starters Staudacher and Mcgillis. For argument purposes I said that Young could earn a starting spot, that's not guaranteed. Additionally Qvale started the first half of last season so he is not a totally new entity.

The Griz will be very deep at the guard/wing spots. As it stands right now every single player at the 1, 2 , and 3 positions on the roster has a chance to compete for major playing time next year, so it would not surprise me if roles change this year as competition with in the team intensifies. Competition is good, and change is not always bad.
 
Mslacat said:
Actually, I feel pretty safe in saying that in addition to Johnson starting at least that the Griz return starters Staudacher and Mcgillis. For argument purposes I said that Young could earn a starting spot, that's not guaranteed. Additionally Qvale started the first half of last season so he is not a totally new entity.

The Griz will be very deep at the guard/wing spots. As it stands right now every single player at the 1, 2 , and 3 positions on the roster has a chance to compete for major playing time next year, so it would not surprise me if roles change this year as competition with in the team intensifies. Competition is good, and change is not always bad.
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As long as the change includes some guts when it comes to the big games I am all for it.
 
Does not matter who come and goes in this program. Wayne will coach them to underperform their talent level. The guy just can't coach at this level. Face the facts.
 
I too have been disappointed with the team's performance the last four years. Perhaps the the two years preceeding Tinkle were the outlier. I have once question for those of you who are constantly bashing the Tinkle and Hauck. Do you cheer for the Grizzlies to lose in order to be right. I know one thing Tinkle has done everything in his power to improve: super recruits and bringing in assistants that might shore up some of his alleged weak areas.
 
IronMountainGriz&Cat said:
I too have been disappointed with the team's performance the last four years. Perhaps the the two years preceeding Tinkle were the outlier. I have once question for those of you who are constantly bashing the Tinkle and Hauck. Do you cheer for the Grizzlies to lose in order to be right. I know one thing Tinkle has done everything in his power to improve: super recruits and bringing in assistants that might shore up some of his alleged weak areas.
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I cheer for the Griz because I am a die-hard fan. Does that mean I have to like the coaches? Not even! Tinkle is clearly over his head, in many areas. He can not develop players. He does not seem to have the ability to inspire his team, because of his demeanor. And, jis game-time coaching and ability to make adjustments is not there. So, there you have it. He can recruit all of the players you desire, and the results will continue to disappoint.

As for Hauck, my only problem(s) with him are his refusal to fire Phenicie, and his personality, which I just don't like, compared to the class acts who used to coach our football team.
 
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