Is Recruiting Important?

[kemajic]

They did adapt and change. The hole was too big.

If this is true, and the players they have recruited are not skilled and/or prepared enough to play FCS football, that once again reveals a shortcoming in their leadership. They simply don't do a good job of player development, and that should be the first problem they fix.

It is really difficult to associate this over-the-top rhetoric with a team that is 28-12 over the last three years with a playoff win in each year. "Players they have recruited are not skilled and/or prepared enough to play FCS football" really?? So you can win 70% of your games and be nationally ranked without skilled players? How stupid can you be.

Help us understand while you're at it, your measurement for "don't do a good job of player development" when each year several Griz players are all-conference and nationally ranked. You are the judge? You and your bandwagon are making stuff up and you deserve to be called out. We all want improvements, but you're stupidly throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

 

[mthoopsfan]

I appreciate this post, but especially this part: If the coaches purposely sent an injured guy into a key game, it's on them.

Starting an injured, tentative, LJ led to some slow starts, momentum killers, and early deficits that we were unable to bounce back from. I know that Kris Brown gets bagged on a lot on this site, and I'm sure I'll get hated on for this comment, but I do think a healthy KB would have been a better option than an injured LJ if he was given a game plan adjusted to his strengths and abilities (which I'm not convinced happened, but I don't know). And of course it took the coaching staff too long to see that Daniel Britt could outperform both of them (healthy KB and injured LJ), when finally given the chance.

If the team got "derailed" (as mthoopsfan says) - regardless of the reason - it was the coaching staff's responsibility to get it back on track as soon as possible. That's what good leaders do. The offense never really looked "on track" after LJ's injury - it looked like it just kept barreling off course without anyone driving it or giving it direction. And that's a leadership/coaching issue, not a skill/athlete issue.

I do get what youre saying about starting a healthy QB. We'd disagree on whether or not that was Brown. The coaching staff put the injured guy on the field because they believed he was their best chance to win. None of the backups got substantial reps past the last week of fall camp. And absent the bubble, how many substantial reps did anyone get in the week prior to the NDSU game? I'm not sure they could have put anything together to suit any of them given the O-Line was always an up-or-down proposition week to week, which meant the running game was far from dependable. Britt was closer in makeup and skills to Johnson than Brown. So if he actually got in on the entire game plan, my belief is that he might have performed better in the only meaningful reps he got all season. Every other game was long decided by the time he got snaps.

We are in agreement about the coaching staff & leadership component. This offensive side of the team was without identity because they were always compensating for something. Not unlike Hoops.

Britt had had a weak spring and was way down the chart. When Johnson got hurt, Britt hadn't mastered parts of the O. I had heard that Britt didn't always do what the coaches wanted, but didn't hear that from the coaches. Just from looking at pieces on egriz, I wondered about Britt's attitude. Any player, let alone a team player, doesn't tell people who will leak it that he's better than the guy in front of him. I assume the coaches thought Brown would do better. Britt didn't show me much. While NDSU was a tough and he gave it his best, he wasn't very good. Not good enough to be the top qb next fall. It didn't surprise me that Britt left. Fine with me. It was clear to me the Griz would get a drop down. Ask those in the know about Britt's spring.

 

[mthoopsfan]

If this is true, and the players they have recruited are not skilled and/or prepared enough to play FCS football, that once again reveals a shortcoming in their leadership. They simply don't do a good job of player development, and that should be the first problem they fix.

It is really difficult to associate this over-the-top rhetoric with a team that is 28-12 over the last three years with a playoff win in each year. "Players they have recruited are not skilled and/or prepared enough to play FCS football" really?? So you can win 70% of your games and be nationally ranked without skilled players? How stupid can you be.

Help us understand while you're at it, your measurement for "don't do a good job of player development" when each year several Griz players are all-conference and nationally ranked. You are the judge? You and your bandwagon are making stuff up and you deserve to be called out. We all want improvements, but you're stupidly throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Alright Kem. I feel that way every time I come to egriz.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I do get what youre saying about starting a healthy QB. We'd disagree on whether or not that was Brown. The coaching staff put the injured guy on the field because they believed he was their best chance to win. None of the backups got substantial reps past the last week of fall camp. And absent the bubble, how many substantial reps did anyone get in the week prior to the NDSU game? I'm not sure they could have put anything together to suit any of them given the O-Line was always an up-or-down proposition week to week, which meant the running game was far from dependable. Britt was closer in makeup and skills to Johnson than Brown. So if he actually got in on the entire game plan, my belief is that he might have performed better in the only meaningful reps he got all season. Every other game was long decided by the time he got snaps.

We are in agreement about the coaching staff & leadership component. This offensive side of the team was without identity because they were always compensating for something. Not unlike Hoops.

Britt had had a weak spring and was way down the chart. When Johnson got hurt, Britt hadn't mastered parts of the O. I had heard that Britt didn't always do what the coaches wanted, but didn't hear that from the coaches. Just from looking at pieces on egriz, I wondered about Britt's attitude. Any player, let alone a team player, doesn't tell people who will leak it that he's better than the guy in front of him. I assume the coaches thought Brown would do better. Britt didn't show me much. While NDSU was a tough and he gave it his best, he wasn't very good. Not good enough to be the top qb next fall. It didn't surprise me that Britt left. Fine with me. It was clear to me the Griz would get a drop down. Ask those in the know about Britt's spring.

Daniel Britt ALONE got more yards against freaking NDSU in a little more than 2 quarters than Brown did against Weber in an ENTIRE GAME. So tell me again how Brown had "mastered the offense" but somehow Britt "wasn't very good"??

 

[AZGrizFan]

It is really difficult to associate this over-the-top rhetoric with a team that is 28-12 over the last three years with a playoff win in each year. "Players they have recruited are not skilled and/or prepared enough to play FCS football" really?? So you can win 70% of your games and be nationally ranked without skilled players? How stupid can you be.

Help us understand while you're at it, your measurement for "don't do a good job of player development" when each year several Griz players are all-conference and nationally ranked. You are the judge? You and your bandwagon are making stuff up and you deserve to be called out. We all want improvements, but you're stupidly throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Alright Kem. I feel that way every time I come to egriz.

How about "not skilled enough to play FCS football AT THE LEVEL WE NEED TO BE COMPETITIVE FOR CHAMPIONSHIPS AGAIN"?

 

[Ringneck]

If this is true, and the players they have recruited are not skilled and/or prepared enough to play FCS football, that once again reveals a shortcoming in their leadership. They simply don't do a good job of player development, and that should be the first problem they fix.

It is really difficult to associate this over-the-top rhetoric with a team that is 28-12 over the last three years with a playoff win in each year. "Players they have recruited are not skilled and/or prepared enough to play FCS football" really?? So you can win 70% of your games and be nationally ranked without skilled players? How stupid can you be.

Help us understand while you're at it, your measurement for "don't do a good job of player development" when each year several Griz players are all-conference and nationally ranked. You are the judge? You and your bandwagon are making stuff up and you deserve to be called out. We all want improvements, but you're stupidly throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Wow, talk about a textbook strawman argument, haha.

First of all, it was mthoops/PlayerRep (not me) who suggested that after LJ's injury "the hole was too big," and I was simply pointing out that IF that was true (note, that was the first word I used in my response to him), then it reflected a problem with player skill or development that needed to be fixed. Hence my comment about not having players skilled or prepared enough for FCS football; you know, players who could effectively fill "the hole." I didn't feel that I needed to specifically say I was talking about the QB position, because I assumed most readers could make that connection based on the context of the dialogue.

 

[kemajic]

Alright Kem. I feel that way every time I come to egriz.

How about "not skilled enough to play FCS football AT THE LEVEL WE NEED TO BE COMPETITIVE FOR CHAMPIONSHIPS AGAIN"?

Do you actually believe that in a general sense? Because you are clearly generalizing. And you know better.

 

[kemajic]

It is really difficult to associate this over-the-top rhetoric with a team that is 28-12 over the last three years with a playoff win in each year. "Players they have recruited are not skilled and/or prepared enough to play FCS football" really?? So you can win 70% of your games and be nationally ranked without skilled players? How stupid can you be.

Help us understand while you're at it, your measurement for "don't do a good job of player development" when each year several Griz players are all-conference and nationally ranked. You are the judge? You and your bandwagon are making stuff up and you deserve to be called out. We all want improvements, but you're stupidly throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Wow, talk about a textbook strawman argument, haha.

First of all, it was mthoops/PlayerRep (not me) who suggested that after LJ's injury "the hole was too big," and I was simply pointing out that IF that was true (note, that was the first word I used in my response to him), then it reflected a problem with player skill or development that needed to be fixed. Hence my comment about not having players skilled or prepared enough for FCS football; you know, players who could effectively fill "the hole." I didn't feel that I needed to specifically say I was talking about the QB position, because I assumed most readers could make that connection based on the context of the dialogue.

Nothing strawman about it. You directly tie your IF into your statement "They simply don't do a good job of player development." When you say "players" and "player development" it is very general and in no way implies a limitation to QB. I suggest you forget context like many readers would and read your post. It is hard to believe you wanted your statements limited.

 

[Bok_Choi]

It is really difficult to associate this over-the-top rhetoric with a team that is 28-12 over the last three years with a playoff win in each year. "Players they have recruited are not skilled and/or prepared enough to play FCS football" really?? So you can win 70% of your games and be nationally ranked without skilled players? How stupid can you be.

Help us understand while you're at it, your measurement for "don't do a good job of player development" when each year several Griz players are all-conference and nationally ranked. You are the judge? You and your bandwagon are making stuff up and you deserve to be called out. We all want improvements, but you're stupidly throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Wow, talk about a textbook strawman argument, haha.

First of all, it was mthoops/PlayerRep (not me) who suggested that after LJ's injury "the hole was too big," and I was simply pointing out that IF that was true (note, that was the first word I used in my response to him), then it reflected a problem with player skill or development that needed to be fixed. Hence my comment about not having players skilled or prepared enough for FCS football; you know, players who could effectively fill "the hole." I didn't feel that I needed to specifically say I was talking about the QB position, because I assumed most readers could make that connection based on the context of the dialogue.

Whoa there pardner. Hang on with the big words and concepts. These are college professors and legal beagles you're talking to here. What's more, they played the game. Nobody bags on their boy without their permission. And that won't be forthcoming anytime soon. You were right by the way, but I'm inconsequential as an observer here, so don't get a big head.

 

[uptopgriz]

I do get what youre saying about starting a healthy QB. We'd disagree on whether or not that was Brown. The coaching staff put the injured guy on the field because they believed he was their best chance to win. None of the backups got substantial reps past the last week of fall camp. And absent the bubble, how many substantial reps did anyone get in the week prior to the NDSU game? I'm not sure they could have put anything together to suit any of them given the O-Line was always an up-or-down proposition week to week, which meant the running game was far from dependable. Britt was closer in makeup and skills to Johnson than Brown. So if he actually got in on the entire game plan, my belief is that he might have performed better in the only meaningful reps he got all season. Every other game was long decided by the time he got snaps.

We are in agreement about the coaching staff & leadership component. This offensive side of the team was without identity because they were always compensating for something. Not unlike Hoops.

Britt had had a weak spring and was way down the chart. When Johnson got hurt, Britt hadn't mastered parts of the O. I had heard that Britt didn't always do what the coaches wanted, but didn't hear that from the coaches. Just from looking at pieces on egriz, I wondered about Britt's attitude. Any player, let alone a team player, doesn't tell people who will leak it that he's better than the guy in front of him. I assume the coaches thought Brown would do better. Britt didn't show me much. While NDSU was a tough and he gave it his best, he wasn't very good. Not good enough to be the top qb next fall. It didn't surprise me that Britt left. Fine with me. It was clear to me the Griz would get a drop down. Ask those in the know about Britt's spring.

Don't listen to word this guy says. The coaches are still in shock that Britt entered the portal. They have no current plan forward at qb. Brown will be the starting QB going into winter conditioning.

 

[Bok_Choi]

Britt had had a weak spring and was way down the chart. When Johnson got hurt, Britt hadn't mastered parts of the O. I had heard that Britt didn't always do what the coaches wanted, but didn't hear that from the coaches. Just from looking at pieces on egriz, I wondered about Britt's attitude. Any player, let alone a team player, doesn't tell people who will leak it that he's better than the guy in front of him. I assume the coaches thought Brown would do better. Britt didn't show me much. While NDSU was a tough and he gave it his best, he wasn't very good. Not good enough to be the top qb next fall. It didn't surprise me that Britt left. Fine with me. It was clear to me the Griz would get a drop down. Ask those in the know about Britt's spring.

Don't listen to word this guy says. The coaches are still in shock that Britt entered the portal. They have no current plan forward at qb. Brown will be the starting QB going into winter conditioning.

I wouldn’t take that bet to Vegas. But KB will definitely have an impact if things hold true to form.

 

['68griz]

Britt had had a weak spring and was way down the chart. When Johnson got hurt, Britt hadn't mastered parts of the O. I had heard that Britt didn't always do what the coaches wanted, but didn't hear that from the coaches. Just from looking at pieces on egriz, I wondered about Britt's attitude. Any player, let alone a team player, doesn't tell people who will leak it that he's better than the guy in front of him. I assume the coaches thought Brown would do better. Britt didn't show me much. While NDSU was a tough and he gave it his best, he wasn't very good. Not good enough to be the top qb next fall. It didn't surprise me that Britt left. Fine with me. It was clear to me the Griz would get a drop down. Ask those in the know about Britt's spring.

Don't listen to word this guy says. The coaches are still in shock that Britt entered the portal. They have no current plan forward at qb. Brown will be the starting QB going into winter conditioning.

If Brown is the QB going forward, the Griz are in a whole lot of hurt.

 

[Griz Addict]

Don't listen to word this guy says. The coaches are still in shock that Britt entered the portal. They have no current plan forward at qb. Brown will be the starting QB going into winter conditioning.

If Brown is the QB going forward, the Griz are in a whole lot of hurt.

Brown can win us games, he just won't take us into a deep playoff run.

Our schedule next year, almost resembles a Bobcat schedule, we should have a pretty good W/L record regardless.

I also believe if we don't, for some reason get a transfer qb, we will be relying on the run game, which we have the guys to do it.. I'd like to see Abbott be the starter though. Another year under his belt and he should be big time for us.

 

[AZGrizFan]

How about "not skilled enough to play FCS football AT THE LEVEL WE NEED TO BE COMPETITIVE FOR CHAMPIONSHIPS AGAIN"?

Do you actually believe that in a general sense? Because you are clearly generalizing. And you know better.

Well we got blown off the field by 2 of the 4 semifinal teams, so I’d say yes, with a few exceptions we do not have the talent level at a number of positions to compete for championships. Again, if you’re happy with 8-9 win seasons, a playoff win and 3rd-5th in conference every year, then good on ya. We’re there. But it was shown very, very clearly where we’re NOT. And it does not appear at this point that Bobby is going to be able to bring us there. In fact, he may very well already have peaked in 2021.

 

[RoseyMustGo]

Do you actually believe that in a general sense? Because you are clearly generalizing. And you know better.

Well we got blown off the field by 2 of the 4 semifinal teams, so I’d say yes, with a few exceptions we do not have the talent level at a number of positions to compete for championships. Again, if you’re happy with 8-9 win seasons, a playoff win and 3rd-5th in conference every year, then good on ya. We’re there. But it was shown very, very clearly where we’re NOT. And it does not appear at this point that Bobby is going to be able to bring us there. In fact, he may very well already have peaked in 2021.

100% agree with your post. I can not get excited about our 2023 team. We lose our four best defensive players, who made the vast majority of tackles. We lose our other starting CB besides Ford. We lose the nation's best KO returner, our most consistent WR (Roberts), our starting QB, and our left O-tackle. And, we have no experienced QB currently on the roster except Brown. How can anyone be excited about next year being better than 2022? If anyone thinks we can just add a bunch of portal players and replace the talent we are losing, I totally disagree. 2023 may finally be the nail in Bobby's 6-year RTD coffin.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Do you actually believe that in a general sense? Because you are clearly generalizing. And you know better.

Well we got blown off the field by 2 of the 4 semifinal teams, so I’d say yes, with a few exceptions we do not have the talent level at a number of positions to compete for championships. Again, if you’re happy with 8-9 win seasons, a playoff win and 3rd-5th in conference every year, then good on ya. We’re there. But it was shown very, very clearly where we’re NOT. And it does not appear at this point that Bobby is going to be able to bring us there. In fact, he may very well already have peaked in 2021.

Hauck has already won 10 games twice. Why do you act that this was our only season?

 

[AZGrizFan]

Well we got blown off the field by 2 of the 4 semifinal teams, so I’d say yes, with a few exceptions we do not have the talent level at a number of positions to compete for championships. Again, if you’re happy with 8-9 win seasons, a playoff win and 3rd-5th in conference every year, then good on ya. We’re there. But it was shown very, very clearly where we’re NOT. And it does not appear at this point that Bobby is going to be able to bring us there. In fact, he may very well already have peaked in 2021.

Hauck has already won 10 games twice. Why do you act that this was our only season?

Why do you deny the way this team is trending?

 

[mthoopsfan]

Well we got blown off the field by 2 of the 4 semifinal teams, so I’d say yes, with a few exceptions we do not have the talent level at a number of positions to compete for championships. Again, if you’re happy with 8-9 win seasons, a playoff win and 3rd-5th in conference every year, then good on ya. We’re there. But it was shown very, very clearly where we’re NOT. And it does not appear at this point that Bobby is going to be able to bring us there. In fact, he may very well already have peaked in 2021.

100% agree with your post. I can not get excited about our 2023 team. We lose our four best defensive players, who made the vast majority of tackles. We lose our other starting CB besides Ford. We lose the nation's best KO returner, our most consistent WR (Roberts), our starting QB, and our left O-tackle. And, we have no experienced QB currently on the roster except Brown. How can anyone be excited about next year being better than 2022? If anyone thinks we can just add a bunch of portal players and replace the talent we are losing, I totally disagree. 2023 may finally be the nail in Bobby's 6-year RTD coffin.

How can anyone not be excited about 2023? Who do you think the 4 best defensive players are? Isn't the left tackle returning? 5 of top 8 tacklers return. Walker started 10 games at corner. Dawson 3. Walker had gotten hurt.

I hope the Griz get portal players. Looks like they got a qb already. Would be good to get a corner. Griz have depth at lb, safety , receiver and d-line. More would be great. Griz have other returners.

 

[kemajic]

Don't listen to word this guy says. The coaches are still in shock that Britt entered the portal. They have no current plan forward at qb. Brown will be the starting QB going into winter conditioning.

If Brown is the QB going forward, the Griz are in a whole lot of hurt.

Relax, he won't be. With Vidlak, Abbott and Huot competing this spring, we'll be very happy with our QB depth. Brown may not even be on the team.

 

[fanofzoo]

If Brown is the QB going forward, the Griz are in a whole lot of hurt.

Relax, he won't be. With Vidlak, Abbott and Huot competing this spring, we'll be very happy with our QB depth. Brown may not even be on the team.

Those guys are gone after next year cause bob is bringing in a transfer that will start ahead of them and they won't be given a chance to compete, wait for it as we have next to zero player development.