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Investment direction for UM FB

Diesel

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From On3 article dated 09/21/2021
A nice payday and a win over a ranked team? Montana feeling pretty good
Eric Prisbell


Last spring, six Big Sky teams opted out of playing in the spring altogether; others, like Montana, played limited schedules. While Wistrcill said the financial impact was “pretty strong,” it still didn’t compare with the loss of tens of millions of dollars in ticket revenue some Power 5 schools suffered.

“It was painful, but I think we rebounded pretty quickly,” Wistrcill said, adding that season ticket numbers are up at nearly every school in the Big Sky.

The league usually distributes between $500,000 and $600,000 annually to each of its schools.

“Our financial model is the same at almost every one of our schools,” he said. “About 75 to 80 percent of our funding comes from the university. We always need to find ways to validate what we’re doing, and we look at athletics as the marketing arm of the university. More people come in touch with the university the first time through athletics than any other medium. We are very proud of that. Anytime we get a chance to have success and media attention that comes to us through the athletic department, that’s a really big thing for our schools.”

The oft-used cliché is that sports is the front porch of the university. To that end, the spotlight on Montana certainly is welcomed after a trying financial year.

“The payday is great,” Haslam said. “The win and the payday is even better.”

According to Collegefactual.com
https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/the-university-of-montana/student-life/sports/

UM annual budget for athletics is about $23.5M

FB is only sport not losing money. Bringing in a surplus of $2.6M.

From a capitalist point of view if UM with support of private donors, beer sales, clothing sales, some of the QB club money, some of the $2.6M profit were to invest up to $5M into scholarship money, stipend, NIL money above and and beyond what is being spent currently. Giving the full scholarship FB players an additional $20,000.00 per semester, would that be enough to lure the quality recruits needed to compete with NDSU?

RTD would get UM deep in playoffs and more probable to contend for national championships and get more exposure for UM and thus go further in advertising the university than any other source. The money return to UM would be much greater than the $5M investment.

Are there steps being taken in this direction?

The Jimmy and Joes seem to be more important than the Xs and Os or hope the coaches can develop lesser level players.
Wins equal money.
 
Diesel said:
From On3 article dated 09/21/2021
A nice payday and a win over a ranked team? Montana feeling pretty good
Eric Prisbell


Last spring, six Big Sky teams opted out of playing in the spring altogether; others, like Montana, played limited schedules. While Wistrcill said the financial impact was “pretty strong,” it still didn’t compare with the loss of tens of millions of dollars in ticket revenue some Power 5 schools suffered.

“It was painful, but I think we rebounded pretty quickly,” Wistrcill said, adding that season ticket numbers are up at nearly every school in the Big Sky.

The league usually distributes between $500,000 and $600,000 annually to each of its schools.

“Our financial model is the same at almost every one of our schools,” he said. “About 75 to 80 percent of our funding comes from the university. We always need to find ways to validate what we’re doing, and we look at athletics as the marketing arm of the university. More people come in touch with the university the first time through athletics than any other medium. We are very proud of that. Anytime we get a chance to have success and media attention that comes to us through the athletic department, that’s a really big thing for our schools.”

The oft-used cliché is that sports is the front porch of the university. To that end, the spotlight on Montana certainly is welcomed after a trying financial year.

“The payday is great,” Haslam said. “The win and the payday is even better.”

According to Collegefactual.com
https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/the-university-of-montana/student-life/sports/

UM annual budget for athletics is about $23.5M

FB is only sport not losing money. Bringing in a surplus of $2.6M.

From a capitalist point of view if UM with support of private donors, beer sales, clothing sales, some of the QB club money, some of the $2.6M profit were to invest up to $5M into scholarship money, stipend, NIL money above and and beyond what is being spent currently. Giving the full scholarship FB players an additional $20,000.00 per semester, would that be enough to lure the quality recruits needed to compete with NDSU?

RTD would get UM deep in playoffs and more probable to contend for national championships and get more exposure for UM and thus go further in advertising the university than any other source. The money return to UM would be much greater than the $5M investment.

Are there steps being taken in this direction?

The Jimmy and Joes seem to be more important than the Xs and Os or hope the coaches can develop lesser level players.
Wins equal money.

Isn't that essentially what Toby Weida's NIL Collective is working toward?
 
No numbers availible on Toby’s non-profit yet.


As per Toby Weida

https://406mtsports.com/college/big-sky-conference/university-of-montana/meet-the-montana-grad-whos-launching-the-nil-collective-supporting-the-grizzlies/article_49a30908-2ffc-11ed-b5b8-cbed58b6b512.html

He is working with UM along with Toby and private donors with expansion of beer sales the surplus in athletic department should be directed back to FB since it is the only sport on the black and has most potential to raise the most money. I know in past other departments would run in red knowing FB surplus would cover, but that was Hauck 1.0 so many years ago.

Does the athletic department have a goal number for FB incentives? How aggressive is UM in paying to incentivize better FB recruits? How aggressive is Bobby on this subject?
 
You are suggesting that the athletic department think outside the box and adopt a modern recruiting and retention strategy. How dare you…
 
Let me offer a thought on the gist of this, since it sounds like moving up is part of any “initiative” coming out of such a proposal.

Oregon State, still not really a “have” in the Pac, just tore up Jonathan Smith’s contract and signs him to a new 6-year contract at $5 million per year. Furthermore, there’s an understanding in the contract that OSU will commit at least another $7 million a year to football coaches and support staff. Oh, they’re renovating Reser Stadium with a downsizing, but with more “value-added” big donor options.

You’d want to compete with that, right?
 
I suppose when one gets older they have more than a passing interest in looking back and reflecting upon the way things were years ago. This all inclusive list since the formation of what is now called FCS has a quite a few success stories and more than a few failures. 130 FCS schools. Subtract those their Regents and conferences choose to not participate in the farce called the playoffs and what is the number of actual 1-AA playoff worthy teams?

The only comparison I can make is the Montana AA schools actually having a playoff or divisional tournaments in order to qualify and make a run at a "State Championship." What a total, complete joke.

Look at the list of former 1-AA schools who are actually successful at the next level. Look at the schools that have dropped football (and no, I won't mention those conferences that do not participate in anything more than a couple OOC games against the little sisters of the poor and their conference games because the playoffs will interfere with their finals...).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCAA_Division_I_FCS_football_programs

You want to move up? Into what conference? Who the hell is going to take either Montana school? Seriously. Do like the Ivies or HBCU schools and just play a conference schedule? Hope for a bowl game in fucking Boise? Or El Paso? How about Tuscon (or Mesa)? Maybe Reno? Vegas????

Best stand pat. Play the cards you're dealt and piss, bitch and moan about the seedings. And hope for a deep playoff run...
 
Pounder said:
Let me offer a thought on the gist of this, since it sounds like moving up is part of any “initiative” coming out of such a proposal.

Oregon State, still not really a “have” in the Pac, just tore up Jonathan Smith’s contract and signs him to a new 6-year contract at $5 million per year. Furthermore, there’s an understanding in the contract that OSU will commit at least another $7 million a year to football coaches and support staff. Oh, they’re renovating Reser Stadium with a downsizing, but with more “value-added” big donor options.

You’d want to compete with that, right?
So you're thinking PAC12, right? That hardly lets you in the conversation.
 
Pounder said:
Let me offer a thought on the gist of this, since it sounds like moving up is part of any “initiative” coming out of such a proposal.

Oregon State, still not really a “have” in the Pac, just tore up Jonathan Smith’s contract and signs him to a new 6-year contract at $5 million per year. Furthermore, there’s an understanding in the contract that OSU will commit at least another $7 million a year to football coaches and support staff. Oh, they’re renovating Reser Stadium with a downsizing, but with more “value-added” big donor options.

You’d want to compete with that, right?

Awesome for Smith and his coaches.
 
Pounder said:
Let me offer a thought on the gist of this, since it sounds like moving up is part of any “initiative” coming out of such a proposal.

Oregon State, still not really a “have” in the Pac, just tore up Jonathan Smith’s contract and signs him to a new 6-year contract at $5 million per year. Furthermore, there’s an understanding in the contract that OSU will commit at least another $7 million a year to football coaches and support staff. Oh, they’re renovating Reser Stadium with a downsizing, but with more “value-added” big donor options.

You’d want to compete with that, right?

Personally I would not want UM to move to FBS. To be able to take advantage of the support of Griz FB and keep as much UM FB program money invested back into the players since they are the big generators of funds for UM athletic dept. Same way with QB club funds, as much as possible should direct back to players.

There is no secret what a healthy FB program contributes to UM in advertising and alum money. Many on forum are unhappy with low conference results and not being competitive with NDSU. A all-star coaching staff is not the answer. The answer is better players and currently it takes money to pay players to recruit the better ones.
 
Diesel said:
Pounder said:
Let me offer a thought on the gist of this, since it sounds like moving up is part of any “initiative” coming out of such a proposal.

Oregon State, still not really a “have” in the Pac, just tore up Jonathan Smith’s contract and signs him to a new 6-year contract at $5 million per year. Furthermore, there’s an understanding in the contract that OSU will commit at least another $7 million a year to football coaches and support staff. Oh, they’re renovating Reser Stadium with a downsizing, but with more “value-added” big donor options.

You’d want to compete with that, right?

Personally I would not want UM to move to FBS. To be able to take advantage of the support of Griz FB and keep as much UM FB program money invested back into the players since they are the big generators of funds for UM athletic dept. Same way with QB club funds, as much as possible should direct back to players.

There is no secret what a healthy FB program contributes to UM in advertising and alum money. Many on forum are unhappy with low conference results and not being competitive with NDSU. A all-star coaching staff is not the answer. The answer is better players and currently it takes money to pay players to recruit the better ones.

A good chunk of QB Club funds go to summer tuition and various food/nutrition things.
 
kemajic said:
Pounder said:
Let me offer a thought on the gist of this, since it sounds like moving up is part of any “initiative” coming out of such a proposal.

Oregon State, still not really a “have” in the Pac, just tore up Jonathan Smith’s contract and signs him to a new 6-year contract at $5 million per year. Furthermore, there’s an understanding in the contract that OSU will commit at least another $7 million a year to football coaches and support staff. Oh, they’re renovating Reser Stadium with a downsizing, but with more “value-added” big donor options.

You’d want to compete with that, right?
So you're thinking PAC12, right? That hardly lets you in the conversation.

Unless they end up in the Mountain West because the Pac gets gutted.

Is an administration going to tell the alums and students “yeah, we’re going to move up to FBS and not give a thought to possibly qualifying for the playoffs” and be taken seriously?

Having said that…

…will there be an FBS or FCS after D-1 reorganizes? What do the WACASUN schools know that the rest of us don’t? Or do they?
 
The Big Sky Conference is an NCAA Division I collegiate athletic conference with soccer participating in the Football Championship Subdivision. And their rejection was due to some complications with the distribution of participants. Especially since northern Arizona, California, Colorado, Idaho, Montana and the rest failed to get the grant. Each of the four affiliated members plays one sport. The two schools from California only participate in soccer, and it takes money to do that to host those games you have to at least convene a training camp or Mortgage Advice Leeds located take.
 
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