Interstate team, I'm worried

[Grisly Fan]

The Bobcats are a southern team (from Missoula) and you know the hallmark of southern teams is speed. There’s no way the Griz will keep up. They are also a coastal team (if you consider the shit pond an ocean). Coastal Carolina cleaned our clocks. This is shaping up to be a disaster!

 

[fencer24]

Couple that with their being preseason favorites, it's a good thing I am not going to waste money to go to Bozeman to watch this potential debacle.

 

[ABQCat]

Here's what to expect next week kiddos.

The Cats will make every effort to make this game an ugly, sloppy slugfest. We will make every effort to take the natural rhythm and style away from you and avoid the lighting flashes of productivity that you guys routinely pull off. The Cats will want the announcers to comment about all the penalties from both teams and eventually say something to the effect of "just let the kids play". Hopefully they'll also comment well into the second half how far below the averages the grizz O is sitting (just like at Davis last night).

This style favors the Cats and gives us the best chance at a win. We will bring the game down to our level and then beat you with experience.

kudos, made me smile.

I actually made a serious post there... At times I'm not trolling over here.

The Davis game is good example of the game plan for this week. I'm positive Hawkins thought they were going to win this game, and I'm pretty sure he saw the game playing out similar to the road trip to PSU the week before. He felt is All American QB, emerging elite RB, and deep WR core were going to start to roll. I'm sure he was absolutely convinced they would get to knock off a wounded Sac St the following week in the rivalry game and get right back into the playoffs where they belong. I'm sure his team believed it too.

But as the game was progressing into an ugly, slow slugfest, Davis started to get impatient. Inexplicably they went for a 4th and 1 in their own territory with the lead even though the defense had made several consecutive stops. Every slice of analytics would have said to punt it away at that point in the game. They got stuffed and the Cats scored at TD right away on the short field to take the lead for good.

Davis and their All American QB didn't even get a first down in the last 20 minutes of the game. They only got about 100 yards of offense in the entire second half, and the All American QB finished with a paltry 5.5 YPA. He was trying to do too much too fast, they took too many shots downfield because they were out of their rhythm and lost patience.

For as good as Sneed is, he has the propensity to become impatient and try to do too much when the game isn't going like they prepared. He has a propensity to make ill-advised risks and turn the ball over at the worst possible times in these situations.

I know some on here our doubting the Cat defense, and even some unnamed poster loves talk about stats with our #37, but it is highly ill-advised to do so. For those who didn't take too many shots in their leather-helmeted heads, and/or those who actually understand the game of football, will recognize that the Cat defense passes the eye test and the Cat #37 is exceptional. Even with the loss at UND, the D played extremely well and only gave up one TD on a trick play. Even giving up 35 to a fully healthy Sac St team was probably good enough to win if we had a decent day on offense (we didn't).

It's no accident that Sterk was invited to East West Shine Bowl, and his inevitable All American status is no fluke. They kid is doing a tremendous job anchoring the edge and is a keystone to the success the Cat D is having this year. Stats are for losers. This D is for real.

UND was the closest thing to a good offense the Cats have seen since Sac State. I really don’t think the UCD game showed much - other than a very undisciplined team. Have not seen that many missed tackles or catches in quite awhile. How good is the Cat D? Will be interesting to see. The Griz Oline did a great job against Weber yesterday. The same D line that dominated Sac State. I don’t blame you for being an optimistic fan. Just not sure how realistic. Especially when you consider the collective experience of your coaching staff. Especially on D. Cats have one hope. Get up early and pray their defense is stout. Cats get behind and you can stick a fork in them. No passing attack whatsoever.

I agree and I really wasn't expecting a good post from one of you guys. I'm not predicting a Cat win but rather painting a picture of the kind of game the Cats can win. They have been pretty good at home this year, so I'm not expecting the same kind of ST and TO implosions that Weber showed up with yesterday. If that happens the Cats will lose by 40 points. Choate has been very good in preparing his teams and staff for this game and I expect the same this year.

Davis did what every team does against the Cats: stack the box and send everybody. That was largely successful and I'm sure the grizz will do the same thing. Just a couple cautionary notes:

1. When the safeties charge downhill and either Jonsen or Andersen breaks through, it will be a TD. Yesterday it was Jonsen with a 75 yard TD, but it could have easily been Andersen. You might stuff the run 10 times in a row and then boom.

2. When teams stack the box and send everybody, Rovig just need to be slightly better than shitty. Yesterday he was actually above the mediocre range. He was 17-25 for 217 with zero turnovers. That forced Davis to loosen the box just enough for the ground game to get going. If there's one weakness I've seen from the grizz D, is that the safeties tend to crash too hard and get exposed downfield. The Cats need Rovig to be at least mediocre Saturday otherwise the ground game will never get going and it will be a long day.

3. For the last couple games Rovig has been much better as the +1 in the RPO. He has recognized the right time to keep, and for as lanky and awkward as he runs, he's been able to chunk some nice gains when we need it. He'll need to do it again Saturday.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Rovig reminds me of watching Gustafson run.

Also, the main difference between UCD’s D and the Griz D is the quality of the LB core. (Well, that and the scheme...lol)....I expect there will be 1-2 long runs by scat players, but I think we’ll survive it.

 

[fencer24]

1. When the safeties charge downhill and either Jonsen or Andersen breaks through, it will be a TD. Yesterday it was Jonsen with a 75 yard TD, but it could have easily been Andersen. You might stuff the run 10 times in a row and then boom.

The problem with 10 times in a row is, that it would mean 3 TDs by the Griz in the interim.

 

[tnt]

What concerns ME is none of what has been mentioned. MSU's Prez in terms of intensity for the game makes Bobby look lethargic. I was in a meeting last week held on BOZO that included a number of folks (some VIP) from around the country. She breezed in to the meeting. Looked around singled out two who had griz (like) colors on to remove them or cover them and informed the rest of the attendees everyone on her campus will wear cat colors at this time of year. Mostly a joke but she did open up the case with her and passed out bobcat ties for the men and scarves for the women.... They are ready at all levels

 

[Grisly Fan]

1. When the safeties charge downhill and either Jonsen or Andersen breaks through, it will be a TD. Yesterday it was Jonsen with a 75 yard TD, but it could have easily been Andersen. You might stuff the run 10 times in a row and then boom.

The problem with 10 times in a row is, that it would mean 3 TDs by the Griz in the interim.

And, yeah, the play is either stuffed or it is a touchdown. There cannot possibly be anything in between. Apocalyptic.

 

[HookedonGriz]

Ran the compuratings which are eerily spot on about 90% of the time. Says Griz win in bozeman 31-22.

One stat it showed was that Griz are 3-2 vs teams who have a greater than .500 record. While the cats are 1-2 there. Griz seem much more battle tested.

 

[The.Real.2506]

1. When the safeties charge downhill and either Jonsen or Andersen breaks through, it will be a TD. Yesterday it was Jonsen with a 75 yard TD, but it could have easily been Andersen. You might stuff the run 10 times in a row and then boom.

The problem with 10 times in a row is, that it would mean 3 TDs by the Griz in the interim.

Keep in mind that everybody (and I mean everybody) stacks the box and concentrates on the qb when either Jonsen or Anderson are getting the snap, yet the combined average is over 6 yards per carry. Crazy isn't it.

Also, every time Anderson carries the ball its a 1 in 7 chance that it is a TD.

That is not even taking into account the "decoy" plays that the run from those formations where they hand off or pitch to another ball carrier who usually then has open field for long gains or a TD.

Cats are very one dimensional and should be easy to stop, and yet they are still the top BSC rushing team by 1.8 yards per carry over the #2 Cal Poly.

 

[Copper Griz]

1. When the safeties charge downhill and either Jonsen or Andersen breaks through, it will be a TD. Yesterday it was Jonsen with a 75 yard TD, but it could have easily been Andersen. You might stuff the run 10 times in a row and then boom.

The problem with 10 times in a row is, that it would mean 3 TDs by the Griz in the interim.

Keep in mind that everybody (and I mean everybody) stacks the box and concentrates on the qb when either Jonsen or Anderson are getting the snap, yet the combined average is over 6 yards per carry. Crazy isn't it.

Also, every time Anderson carries the ball its a 1 in 7 chance that it is a TD.

That is not even taking into account the "decoy" plays that the run from those formations where they hand off or pitch to another ball carrier who usually then has open field for long gains or a TD.

Cats are very one dimensional and should be easy to stop, and yet they are still the top BSC rushing team by 1.8 yards per carry over the #2 Cal Poly.

Actually pretty impressive stats for the Cats from a rushing perspective. Quality of opponent may also have something to do with it. That is not a slam. They can’t choose who they play and they play hard. Just an observation.

 

[The.Real.2506]

1. When the safeties charge downhill and either Jonsen or Andersen breaks through, it will be a TD. Yesterday it was Jonsen with a 75 yard TD, but it could have easily been Andersen. You might stuff the run 10 times in a row and then boom.

The problem with 10 times in a row is, that it would mean 3 TDs by the Griz in the interim.

Keep in mind that everybody (and I mean everybody) stacks the box and concentrates on the qb when either Jonsen or Anderson are getting the snap, yet the combined average is over 6 yards per carry. Crazy isn't it.

Also, every time Anderson carries the ball its a 1 in 7 chance that it is a TD.

That is not even taking into account the "decoy" plays that the run from those formations where they hand off or pitch to another ball carrier who usually then has open field for long gains or a TD.

Cats are very one dimensional and should be easy to stop, and yet they are still the top BSC rushing team by 1.8 yards per carry over the #2 Cal Poly.

Actually pretty impressive stats for the Cats from a rushing perspective. Quality of opponent may also have something to do with it. That is not a slam. They can’t choose who they play and they play hard. Just an observation.

I agree with you quality of opponents comment, but I think the same can be said of the griz run D, they have not played the top 2 run offense in the league yet.

The advantage MSU has is that their run game is very unorthodox, making it difficult to game plan for. Like the triple option, which teams don't see often a team has to adjust their schemes from the normal to defend them. Unlike the triple option there is no real book written on how to defend it, so each defensive coordinator will develop a game plan based on what he sees on film and develop schemes that he may have never used before.

 

[ranco]

I really don't think this game will be very close, unless we have a bunch of turnovers. The Cats, like Weber, play to our strength - stopping the run. Plus, the Griz will be more motivated and will be more physical. The Cats have only beaten one team with a winning record and that stat won't change a week from now.

 

[AZGrizFan]

The problem with 10 times in a row is, that it would mean 3 TDs by the Griz in the interim.

Keep in mind that everybody (and I mean everybody) stacks the box and concentrates on the qb when either Jonsen or Anderson are getting the snap, yet the combined average is over 6 yards per carry. Crazy isn't it.

Also, every time Anderson carries the ball its a 1 in 7 chance that it is a TD.

That is not even taking into account the "decoy" plays that the run from those formations where they hand off or pitch to another ball carrier who usually then has open field for long gains or a TD.

Cats are very one dimensional and should be easy to stop, and yet they are still the top BSC rushing team by 1.8 yards per carry over the #2 Cal Poly.

Actually pretty impressive stats for the Cats from a rushing perspective. Quality of opponent may also have something to do with it. That is not a slam. They can’t choose who they play and they play hard. Just an observation.

I agree with you quality of opponents comment, but I think the same can be said of the griz run D, they have not played the top 2 run offense in the league yet.

The advantage MSU has is that their run game is very unorthodox, making it difficult to game plan for. Like the triple option, which teams don't see often a team has to adjust their schemes from the normal to defend them. Unlike the triple option there is no real book written on how to defend it, so each defensive coordinator will develop a game plan based on what he sees on film and develop schemes that he may have never used before.

According to conference only stats, Griz have played #2, #3, #5 & #6 in terms of run offenses in the BSC. ‘Scats are #1 and CP is #4. When it’s all said and done, the ONLY top 6 team in rushing we won’t have played is CP. We just held a team that averaged 241 to 69.

But I agree with the “unorthodox” comment...

 

[The.Real.2506]

Keep in mind that everybody (and I mean everybody) stacks the box and concentrates on the qb when either Jonsen or Anderson are getting the snap, yet the combined average is over 6 yards per carry. Crazy isn't it.

Also, every time Anderson carries the ball its a 1 in 7 chance that it is a TD.

That is not even taking into account the "decoy" plays that the run from those formations where they hand off or pitch to another ball carrier who usually then has open field for long gains or a TD.

Cats are very one dimensional and should be easy to stop, and yet they are still the top BSC rushing team by 1.8 yards per carry over the #2 Cal Poly.

Actually pretty impressive stats for the Cats from a rushing perspective. Quality of opponent may also have something to do with it. That is not a slam. They can’t choose who they play and they play hard. Just an observation.

I agree with you quality of opponents comment, but I think the same can be said of the griz run D, they have not played the top 2 run offense in the league yet.

The advantage MSU has is that their run game is very unorthodox, making it difficult to game plan for. Like the triple option, which teams don't see often a team has to adjust their schemes from the normal to defend them. Unlike the triple option there is no real book written on how to defend it, so each defensive coordinator will develop a game plan based on what he sees on film and develop schemes that he may have never used before.

According to conference only stats, Griz have played #2, #3, #5 & #6 in terms of run offenses in the BSC. ‘Scats are #1 and CP is #4. When it’s all said and done, the ONLY top 6 team in rushing we won’t have played is CP. We just held a team that averaged 241 to 69.

But I agree with the “unorthodox” comment...

https://static.bigskyconf.com/custompages/football/2019/confonly.htm

https://static.bigskyconf.com/custompages/football/2019/confldrs.htm

According to this, 1, 2 & 3 are the same in Rush Offense using both BSC only and all games

#1 MSU
#2 Cal Poly
#3 EWU

 

[AZGrizFan]

Actually pretty impressive stats for the Cats from a rushing perspective. Quality of opponent may also have something to do with it. That is not a slam. They can’t choose who they play and they play hard. Just an observation.

I agree with you quality of opponents comment, but I think the same can be said of the griz run D, they have not played the top 2 run offense in the league yet.

The advantage MSU has is that their run game is very unorthodox, making it difficult to game plan for. Like the triple option, which teams don't see often a team has to adjust their schemes from the normal to defend them. Unlike the triple option there is no real book written on how to defend it, so each defensive coordinator will develop a game plan based on what he sees on film and develop schemes that he may have never used before.

According to conference only stats, Griz have played #2, #3, #5 & #6 in terms of run offenses in the BSC. ‘Scats are #1 and CP is #4. When it’s all said and done, the ONLY top 6 team in rushing we won’t have played is CP. We just held a team that averaged 241 to 69.

But I agree with the “unorthodox” comment...

https://static.bigskyconf.com/custompages/football/2019/confonly.htm

https://static.bigskyconf.com/custompages/football/2019/confldrs.htm

According to this, 1, 2 & 3 are the same in Rush Offense using both BSC only and all games

#1 MSU
#2 Cal Poly
#3 EWU

Yes. Weber WAS #2, but not any more.

 

[The.Real.2506]

Keep in mind that everybody (and I mean everybody) stacks the box and concentrates on the qb when either Jonsen or Anderson are getting the snap, yet the combined average is over 6 yards per carry. Crazy isn't it.

Also, every time Anderson carries the ball its a 1 in 7 chance that it is a TD.

That is not even taking into account the "decoy" plays that the run from those formations where they hand off or pitch to another ball carrier who usually then has open field for long gains or a TD.

Cats are very one dimensional and should be easy to stop, and yet they are still the top BSC rushing team by 1.8 yards per carry over the #2 Cal Poly.

Actually pretty impressive stats for the Cats from a rushing perspective. Quality of opponent may also have something to do with it. That is not a slam. They can’t choose who they play and they play hard. Just an observation.

I agree with you quality of opponents comment, but I think the same can be said of the griz run D, they have not played the top 2 run offense in the league yet.

The advantage MSU has is that their run game is very unorthodox, making it difficult to game plan for. Like the triple option, which teams don't see often a team has to adjust their schemes from the normal to defend them. Unlike the triple option there is no real book written on how to defend it, so each defensive coordinator will develop a game plan based on what he sees on film and develop schemes that he may have never used before.

According to conference only stats, Griz have played #2, #3, #5 & #6 in terms of run offenses in the BSC. ‘Scats are #1 and CP is #4. When it’s all said and done, the ONLY top 6 team in rushing we won’t have played is CP. We just held a team that averaged 241 to 69.

But I agree with the “unorthodox” comment...

as to the other part your comment, while you held WSU to 69 they were missing their top 2 receivers and their top RB was limited. Why does that matter? WSU runs a typical run offense that is dependent on play action and RPO, when WSU got behind due to 2 longsnapper mistakes and combined with a ineffective pass game due to the above injuries, it changes the whole complexion of their run game. Add in one mistake by their DB and they were behind enough that they need to go pass heavy in the second half, diminishing their run game further.

I think you are trying to compare apples to green beans, but maybe that is just me :thumb:

 

[The.Real.2506]

I agree with you quality of opponents comment, but I think the same can be said of the griz run D, they have not played the top 2 run offense in the league yet.

The advantage MSU has is that their run game is very unorthodox, making it difficult to game plan for. Like the triple option, which teams don't see often a team has to adjust their schemes from the normal to defend them. Unlike the triple option there is no real book written on how to defend it, so each defensive coordinator will develop a game plan based on what he sees on film and develop schemes that he may have never used before.

According to conference only stats, Griz have played #2, #3, #5 & #6 in terms of run offenses in the BSC. ‘Scats are #1 and CP is #4. When it’s all said and done, the ONLY top 6 team in rushing we won’t have played is CP. We just held a team that averaged 241 to 69.

But I agree with the “unorthodox” comment...

https://static.bigskyconf.com/custompages/football/2019/confonly.htm

https://static.bigskyconf.com/custompages/football/2019/confldrs.htm

According to this, 1, 2 & 3 are the same in Rush Offense using both BSC only and all games

#1 MSU
#2 Cal Poly
#3 EWU

Yes. Weber WAS #2, but not any more.

How far back are we able to go to get our preferred set of statistics.

Just trying to figure out what the rules are this week :thumb:

 

[Htowngriz]

Actually pretty impressive stats for the Cats from a rushing perspective. Quality of opponent may also have something to do with it. That is not a slam. They can’t choose who they play and they play hard. Just an observation.

I agree with you quality of opponents comment, but I think the same can be said of the griz run D, they have not played the top 2 run offense in the league yet.

The advantage MSU has is that their run game is very unorthodox, making it difficult to game plan for. Like the triple option, which teams don't see often a team has to adjust their schemes from the normal to defend them. Unlike the triple option there is no real book written on how to defend it, so each defensive coordinator will develop a game plan based on what he sees on film and develop schemes that he may have never used before.

According to conference only stats, Griz have played #2, #3, #5 & #6 in terms of run offenses in the BSC. ‘Scats are #1 and CP is #4. When it’s all said and done, the ONLY top 6 team in rushing we won’t have played is CP. We just held a team that averaged 241 to 69.

But I agree with the “unorthodox” comment...

as to the other part your comment, while you held WSU to 69 they were missing their top 2 receivers and their top RB was limited. Why does that matter? WSU runs a typical run offense that is dependent on play action and RPO, when WSU got behind due to 2 longsnapper mistakes and combined with a ineffective pass game due to the above injuries, it changes the whole complexion of their run game. Add in one mistake by their DB and they were behind enough that they need to go pass heavy in the second half, diminishing their run game further.

I think you are trying to compare apples to green beans, but maybe that is just me :thumb:

The best chance for the Griz to win this game was to get a lead early and force them to pass. If the same thing happens next week, the cats are in trouble.

 

[The.Real.2506]

I agree with you quality of opponents comment, but I think the same can be said of the griz run D, they have not played the top 2 run offense in the league yet.

The advantage MSU has is that their run game is very unorthodox, making it difficult to game plan for. Like the triple option, which teams don't see often a team has to adjust their schemes from the normal to defend them. Unlike the triple option there is no real book written on how to defend it, so each defensive coordinator will develop a game plan based on what he sees on film and develop schemes that he may have never used before.

According to conference only stats, Griz have played #2, #3, #5 & #6 in terms of run offenses in the BSC. ‘Scats are #1 and CP is #4. When it’s all said and done, the ONLY top 6 team in rushing we won’t have played is CP. We just held a team that averaged 241 to 69.

But I agree with the “unorthodox” comment...

as to the other part your comment, while you held WSU to 69 they were missing their top 2 receivers and their top RB was limited. Why does that matter? WSU runs a typical run offense that is dependent on play action and RPO, when WSU got behind due to 2 longsnapper mistakes and combined with a ineffective pass game due to the above injuries, it changes the whole complexion of their run game. Add in one mistake by their DB and they were behind enough that they need to go pass heavy in the second half, diminishing their run game further.

I think you are trying to compare apples to green beans, but maybe that is just me :thumb:

The best chance for the Griz to win this game was to get a lead early and force them to pass. If the same thing happens next week, the cats are in trouble.

completely different discussion, I'm sure it will get discussed.

 

[AZGrizFan]

According to conference only stats, Griz have played #2, #3, #5 & #6 in terms of run offenses in the BSC. ‘Scats are #1 and CP is #4. When it’s all said and done, the ONLY top 6 team in rushing we won’t have played is CP. We just held a team that averaged 241 to 69.

But I agree with the “unorthodox” comment...

https://static.bigskyconf.com/custompages/football/2019/confonly.htm

https://static.bigskyconf.com/custompages/football/2019/confldrs.htm

According to this, 1, 2 & 3 are the same in Rush Offense using both BSC only and all games

#1 MSU
#2 Cal Poly
#3 EWU

Yes. Weber WAS #2, but not any more.

How far back are we able to go to get our preferred set of statistics.

Just trying to figure out what the rules are this week :thumb:

I’m not going back at all. BEFORE yesterdays game, Weber was top 3. NOW? Not so much...