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Interesting article on MSU funding...

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Silvertip

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...and somewhat embarrassing when compared with UM numbers. If not there already we are well on are way to becoming a clear #2 in the MT higher education system...

http://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/news/montana_state_university/article_5ab8911c-3b89-11e2-ba21-001a4bcf887a.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
Silvertip said:
...and somewhat embarrassing when compared with UM numbers. If not there already we are well on are way to becoming a clear #2 in the MT higher education system...

http://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/news/montana_state_university/article_5ab8911c-3b89-11e2-ba21-001a4bcf887a.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Cruzado is not long for MSU; she's been talking to Purdue.
 
Silvertip said:
...and somewhat embarrassing when compared with UM numbers. If not there already we are well on are way to becoming a clear #2 in the MT higher education system...

http://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/news/montana_state_university/article_5ab8911c-3b89-11e2-ba21-001a4bcf887a.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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I am not really seeing anything to be overly alarmed about. They had a one time 25 million dollar donation and spent a lot on a one time stadium expansion. I would think if you looked back over the past 10 years, you would see it go back and forth about the spending. Also, UM numbers show the UM foundation giving more to academics, as it should be. I would also think that the structures of the respective foundations are different. I don't recall the UM alumni foundation ever being involved in any of the stadium expansions. I could be wrong, but haven't most of those expansions gone through a different vessel?
 
Heard MSU's athletic budget is now $20 million, compared to UM's $16 million, due to increased institutional support of the university.
 
Skookum-Jim said:
They have alumni with jobs.
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:lol: :lol: Or they have alumni that want to work? All the lazy college kids seem to flock to Missoula, with the exception of the student athletes.
 
Missoula's economy and ability to plan for the future is representative of the general malaise accompanying the vast majority of graduates who stay in Missoula. It is embarrassing to live here. The mayor and the city council do not seem concerned about any fluctuations in the economy, nor do they seem concerned about bringing jobs to our city. They are lazy, and it shows.

A few successful business owners, on the other hand, care about the direction of the economy. If only the local government would get out of the way.
 
The two square block area downtown which contains the county and city offices is as insular and inbred as I have ever seen it. Good times or hard times, everybody gets raises. Good times or hard times, those folks never have to share them with the rest of the citizens. It's a small clique of people who run for office, attend each other's parties, encourage each other to run for office, put each other on commissions, and committees, and boards, give each other special awards, and then all get together at budget time to raise the mill levies to pay for their life styles and privileges, fancy bike lanes, and baseball stadiums. Sorry if I sound cynical, but it is a very definitive mind set that offers little to the average citizen who is struggling to make ends meet, but then sees their tax bills go up, and up, and up, while the average wage goes down, and down, and down.

As to thread content, over many years, even with inferior sport programs across the board, MSU always had better funding, even as the BOR would mouth platitudes about keeping the programs "equal."

All that ever meant was that, when UM should have been able to channel more revenue to improved salaries and facilities, nope, can't do it; but when MSU wanted to channel lower revenues and divert more student funds, well, that was always OK, and the disparity has long been in the $2-3 million range, even as UM had more students the last 20 years ostensibly justifying more sport funding. Failure was rewarded and success was punished. If the tables turn, it will be a turnaround on that as well, that success should be rewarded and failure punished.
 
PlayerRep said:
Heard MSU's athletic budget is now $20 million, compared to UM's $16 million, due to increased institutional support of the university.
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Is that an annual budget? Or does it include a temporary facilities portion?

I believe Eastern is still around $11m.
 
UMGriz75 said:
The two square block area downtown which contains the county and city offices is as insular and inbred as I have ever seen it. Good times or hard times, everybody gets raises. Good times or hard times, those folks never have to share them with the rest of the citizens. It's a small clique of people who run for office, attend each other's parties, encourage each other to run for office, put each other on commissions, and committees, and boards, give each other special awards, and then all get together at budget time to raise the mill levies to pay for their life styles and privileges, fancy bike lanes, and baseball stadiums. Sorry if I sound cynical, but it is a very definitive mind set that offers little to the average citizen who is struggling to make ends meet, but then sees their tax bills go up, and up, and up, while the average wage goes down, and down, and down.

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This is pretty much true for all government, everywhere. I find it ridiculous and outrageous that public employees anywhere get annual payraises in this economy when the people who pay for them keep getting cuts in the private sector. Worse yet, most of them don't even have to worry about a 401k and the performance of the broader economy because they get a pension that is, again, funded by taxpayers.

If I were in the federal government, I'd be happy to tell them how to avoid the fiscal cliff. One side can raise taxes, but in exchange they have to guarantee by law that no public employess receive a pay increase that outpaces those of the public sector and not one dime can be used to shore up public pensions.
 
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