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Instate Recruiting

A lot more of the top in state guys are going to FBS programs as well. Over at Billings West they have a Michigan commit and had someone else go to Kentucky 2 years ago. This is also the first time I can remember the Griz not having any Golden Bears on their roster, coincidence or not?
 
PTGrizzly said:
I’ve never said the need is to get the most, but the best. Quite frankly, they bring in far too many mediocre Montana players. The problem is they’re missing on the best.

I strongly disagree with your statement btw. The goal should be to get the best OOS, in state, and transfer players. Ignoring any of those is stupid.
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But ignoring that they HAVE to choose between those when there is a roster limit is also stupid...
 
ElrodGrizzly said:
But ignoring that they HAVE to choose between those when there is a roster limit is also stupid...
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Before the ISU game, their coach made a point to mention that a particular strength of MSU is their ability to retain players and not use the portal. I would think retaining impactful Montana-born players would be easier than retaining impactful out-of-state players. If MSU is getting the bulk of the best Montana-born players, do you agree that it puts them in a better place in terms of continuity and culture? I fear the Griz are sacrificing stability by not winning the in-state recruiting battle. Am I overthinking this?
 
catgrizfan said:
Before the ISU game, their coach made a point to mention that a particular strength of MSU is their ability to retain players and not use the portal. I would think retaining impactful Montana-born players would be easier than retaining impactful out-of-state players. If MSU is getting the bulk of the best Montana-born players, do you agree that it puts them in a better place in terms of continuity and culture? I fear the Griz are sacrificing stability by not winning the in-state recruiting battle. Am I overthinking this?
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Cats have lost more good players to Portal than Griz. Griz have done way better in Portal than Cats. My view is Cats are not going to be able to sustain strength without going more to Portal. I don’t think the few more good MT players is close to being enough for Cats, in this day of Portal. My impression is that this year’s Griz team is cohesive. Bobby really likes this team, how they respond to coaching, and says they are smart. Don’t know the answers to your questions.
 
catgrizfan said:
Before the ISU game, their coach made a point to mention that a particular strength of MSU is their ability to retain players and not use the portal. I would think retaining impactful Montana-born players would be easier than retaining impactful out-of-state players. If MSU is getting the bulk of the best Montana-born players, do you agree that it puts them in a better place in terms of continuity and culture? I fear the Griz are sacrificing stability by not winning the in-state recruiting battle. Am I overthinking this?
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I don't think you are over thinking it, just thinkin'. Which can be dangerous. ;)

I don't actually know if retaining Montana born players is necessarily easier. I just have no idea on the data there. What I will say is that the quote from him isn't really gospel.

Montana has lost very few players in the portal in recent years, and have retained a lot of the talent here, including Eli, who was offered plenty of money to move up to the FBS, and chose to stay for less money. Rather then geography, I think the staying will end up being more about the type of person a kid is and the culture of a team. Staff continuity helps.

I think that quote was also just not very factually correct. The only players we lost last year were --
QB- Logan Fife (1 to play 1) (To New Mexico State)
QB- Kaden Hout (to Carroll College)
WR- Sawyer Racanelli (1 to play 1) (To Wake Forest)
DE- Riley Wilson (1 to play 1) (To Arizona)
DE- Tyson Simmons
LB- Cooper Walton
CB- Ronald Jackson

Among those, there were only two that we wanted to keep, to my knowledge (Wilson and Racanelli). Whereas I know that MSU lost a pretty good chunk of the team. So I don't think you are overthinking it, I just think that wasn't a very accurate quote to base anything on.
 
catgrizfan said:
Before the ISU game, their coach made a point to mention that a particular strength of MSU is their ability to retain players and not use the portal. I would think retaining impactful Montana-born players would be easier than retaining impactful out-of-state players. If MSU is getting the bulk of the best Montana-born players, do you agree that it puts them in a better place in terms of continuity and culture? I fear the Griz are sacrificing stability by not winning the in-state recruiting battle. Am I overthinking this?
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Talented Montana born players also enter the portal with the goal of playing in the FBS. Years ago, an example was Milan Lazetich transferred from UM to Michigan. This was before the portal, of course. Another example was a kicker from Kalispell playing for UM transferring to Nebraska. Sorry, I don’t recall his name.
 
ElrodGrizzly said:
I don't think you are over thinking it, just thinkin'. Which can be dangerous. ;)

I don't actually know if retaining Montana born players is necessarily easier. I just have no idea on the data there. What I will say is that the quote from him isn't really gospel.

Montana has lost very few players in the portal in recent years, and have retained a lot of the talent here, including Eli, who was offered plenty of money to move up to the FBS, and chose to stay for less money. Rather then geography, I think the staying will end up being more about the type of person a kid is and the culture of a team. Staff continuity helps.

I think that quote was also just not very factually correct. The only players we lost last year were --
QB- Logan Fife (1 to play 1) (To New Mexico State)
QB- Kaden Hout (to Carroll College)
WR- Sawyer Racanelli (1 to play 1) (To Wake Forest)
DE- Riley Wilson (1 to play 1) (To Arizona)
DE- Tyson Simmons
LB- Cooper Walton
CB- Ronald Jackson

Among those, there were only two that we wanted to keep, to my knowledge (Wilson and Racanelli). Whereas I know that MSU lost a pretty good chunk of the team. So I don't think you are overthinking it, I just think that wasn't a very accurate quote to base anything on.
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This makes me feel a lot better :-) I can see how perception isn't necessarily reality. I think the coach from ISU must have been looking at the number of recruits they brought in from the portal (which was minimal if I remember correctly) and making the claim that this is an indicator of program stability. Transitive property. Appreciate you taking time to answer my question!
 
Spanky2 said:
Talented Montana born players also enter the portal with the goal of playing in the FBS. Years ago, an example was Milan Lazetich transferred from UM to Michigan. This was before the portal, of course. Another example was a kicker from Kalispell playing for UM transferring to Nebraska. Sorry, I don’t recall his name.
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Milan Lazetich? Years ago? Yes, it was years ago. Ha. And the kicker who transferred and then played in the NFL.
 
ElrodGrizzly said:
I don't think you are over thinking it, just thinkin'. Which can be dangerous. ;)

I don't actually know if retaining Montana born players is necessarily easier. I just have no idea on the data there. What I will say is that the quote from him isn't really gospel.

Montana has lost very few players in the portal in recent years, and have retained a lot of the talent here, including Eli, who was offered plenty of money to move up to the FBS, and chose to stay for less money. Rather then geography, I think the staying will end up being more about the type of person a kid is and the culture of a team. Staff continuity helps.

I think that quote was also just not very factually correct. The only players we lost last year were --
QB- Logan Fife (1 to play 1) (To New Mexico State)
QB- Kaden Hout (to Carroll College)
WR- Sawyer Racanelli (1 to play 1) (To Wake Forest)
DE- Riley Wilson (1 to play 1) (To Arizona)
DE- Tyson Simmons
LB- Cooper Walton
CB- Ronald Jackson

Among those, there were only two that we wanted to keep, to my knowledge (Wilson and Racanelli). Whereas I know that MSU lost a pretty good chunk of the team. So I don't think you are overthinking it, I just think that wasn't a very accurate quote to base anything on.
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Thanks for pulling this together. We could have used Jackson too this year. I think the above group was our biggest loss to the Portal. I do think Portal players are more likely to transfer than MT kids. Look at Fife, Rac, Wilson and Jackson above.
 
mthoopsfan said:
Thanks for pulling this together. We could have used Jackson too this year. I think the above group was our biggest loss to the Portal. I do think Portal players are more likely to transfer than MT kids. Look at Fife, Rac, Wilson and Jackson above.
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I think you're right about transfers in the portal being more likely. They have already done it once, so it is an easier leap to take. I'm not convinced that a high school recruit from Montana is more likely to stay than a high school recruit from, say, Minnesota, but I don't have any actual data to look at on that.
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
This has zero to do with your initial statement.


You are asking if the Griz should have recruited Jones and Taco instead of Eli and Bergen.

So now it isn't the fault of Griz coaches not recruiting them, it is they saw the roster and went elsewhere. Sounds like someone flip flopping.
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I’m saying there’s multiple reasons for a kid choosing or not choosing Montana. Is that concept too difficult for you to accept? From coaches to scheme to playing time.
 
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