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[UMGriz75]

Kem....so you are saying that when a qb struggles like Brady did against North Dakota State, just leave him in and lose the game? Interesting view.

I didn't say that. DD had games where his O stunk the first half and he rallied them in the second half sometimes to win. You would have pulled him at halftime?

I knew Dave Dickenson and Senator, Brady is no Dave Dickenson.

 

[kemajic]

Kem....so you are saying that when a qb struggles like Brady did against North Dakota State, just leave him in and lose the game? Interesting view.

I didn't say that. DD had games where his O stunk the first half and he rallied them in the second half sometimes to win. You would have pulled him at halftime?

I knew Dave Dickenson and Senator, Brady is no Dave Dickenson.

Thanks for the enlightenment; quite a revelation.

 

[Mammabear]

Yes, our season was a rollercoaster ride. But we made 2 playoff games. Where was Eastern and where were the Cats? I went to the football banquet yesterday and yes, the mood was subdued, but pride of being a Griz was huge. Let's be happy for a change and look forward to next year.

 

[grizatwork]

The team that lost Saturday has the same weakness' that they had all year. In the playoffs, you run up against teams that don't have them. Not enough weight at defensive tackle and not enough push on the offensive line. Inexperienced quarterback. Light and inexperienced at running back. True freshman was starting to become our best option. Tendency to give up big plays on defense. None of that changed throughout the year. We ran into the 4 time defending national champion at their house and got beat by the better team. You can blame Stitt for being stubborn, but truth is any coach in any system would have gotten beat by NDSU yesterday with what we had on our roster.

 

[EverettGriz]

Let's be happy for a change and look forward to next year.

Mamma, don't be fooled by the small minority (but extremely prodigious :? ) posters. The vast majority of Griz fans are happy all the time, simply because we ARE the Griz.

 

[grizindabox]

Kem....so you are saying that when a qb struggles like Brady did against North Dakota State, just leave him in and lose the game? Interesting view.

depends on what's behind him....IF payton manning comes back and struggles, the Broncos know what they've got is adequate.

This is simply false.

Each time this season when a QB was replaced, starting with Gus, the replacement either saved the game or did far better in the subsequent game. And for each QB, starting with Gus, a good game would be followed by decreasing performances from the QBs. It was an interesting pattern.

Each time this happened the opponent did not have previous game film on the QB....once they did the replacement did not fair anywhere near as well......this is your pattern......the defense could....how do I say it.....game plan......I would suggest you run some numbers on each QB without including the August NDSU game and the UND game.....

 

[UMGriz75]

Each time this happened the opponent did not have previous game film on the QB....once they did the replacement did not fair anywhere near as well......this is your pattern......the defense could....how do I say it.....game plan......I would suggest you run some numbers on each QB without including the August NDSU game and the UND game.....

Well, it was "game film" that caused the embarrassment last Saturday. So, what's your point? That Brady should not be QB again because of so much "game film" of him? That SDSU went into the half and watched "game film" and came out "prepared?" Or are you now trying to argue in your inimitable fashion that "game film" should count against QBs you don't like, but not be an issue with QB's that you do like? As I have noted, Brady had serious meltdowns in the majority of games he played, 4 out of 7. Are you claiming that was all "game film?" Can you please advise our side to make some use of this "game film" strategy that only seems to work for everyone else when you are talking about it?

 

[UMGriz75]

..I would suggest you run some numbers on each QB without including the August NDSU game and the UND game.....

OK. Brady had meltdowns in 4 out of 6, rather than 4 out of 7, games he played this season. That's breathtaking. Are you blaming "game films?"

 

[grizindabox]

..I would suggest you run some numbers on each QB without including the August NDSU game and the UND game.....

OK. Brady had meltdowns in 4 out of 6, rather than 4 out of 7, games he played this season. That's breathtaking. Are you blaming "game films?"

Seriously....Brady has struggled at times....I have never said differently....What I did say is....since you are a stat nerd that will consider nothing else....what do the numbers tell you when you compare Brady with your love child Simis when you do not include the August NDSU game and the UND game.....

 

[PlayerRep]

..I would suggest you run some numbers on each QB without including the August NDSU game and the UND game.....

OK. Brady had meltdowns in 4 out of 6, rather than 4 out of 7, games he played this season. That's breathtaking. Are you blaming "game films?"

Seriously....Brady has struggled at times....I have never said differently....What I did say is....since you are a stat nerd that will consider nothing else....what do the numbers tell you when you compare Brady with your love child Simis when you do not include the August NDSU game and the UND game.....

Brady didn't melt down in any game. He played 6.25 games. He threw 3 picks against CP, when he had a rib injury. He threw 4 picks on Saturday. Other than those games, he threw 2 picks.

See his stats for throwing, picks, yards, TD's and long pass of game. He list 1 fumble for the year. His completion percentage was 57.6%. In his 6 full games, he passed for 321 yards per game. By comparison, only 1 qb in the Big Sky averaged over 300 yards (300.2, West). By comparison again, only 1 QB, the Murry St QB, averaged more than 321, in fact he was the only QB above Jordan West in the national stats.


Aug 29, 2015 NORTH DAKOTA STATE 30-55-1 434 3 62
Sep 5, 2015 CAL POLY 40-64-3 353 1 44
Sep 19, 2015 at Liberty 7-13-0 54 0 12
Nov 14, 2015 EASTERN WASHINGTON 20-34-0 266 1 45
Nov 21, 2015 at Montana State 23-39-1 353 4 54
Nov 28, 2015 SOUTH DAKOTA STATE 24-39-0 295 2 62
Dec 5, 2015 at North Dakota State 23-46-4 229 1 39
Totals 167-290-9 1984 12 62

 

[UMGriz75]

Seriously....Brady has struggled at times....I have never said differently....What I did say is....since you are a stat nerd that will consider nothing else....what do the numbers tell you when you compare Brady with your love child Simis when you do not include the August NDSU game and the UND game.....

Your primary method of dispute -- snark -- has never offered much. I don't refer to Brady as your "love child," so grow up a bit. The fact is, I pointed to the weaknesses of a QB like Brady in detail three weeks ago and you raised a fit, arguing that such things are not relevant to the magical mystery tour that you seem to be on.

The fact is, everything I specifically pointed to, and raised concerns about in advance of last Saturday, happened last Saturday. Every. Single. One.

That's really the problem you have here, and its one you can't cure with ad hominem remarks, because your self-proclaimed infinite knowledge turned out to be wrong and my analysis turned out to be correct. At every point there is a bottom line, and that's the bottom line here.

 

[grizindabox]

Seriously....Brady has struggled at times....I have never said differently....What I did say is....since you are a stat nerd that will consider nothing else....what do the numbers tell you when you compare Brady with your love child Simis when you do not include the August NDSU game and the UND game.....

Your primary method of dispute -- snark -- has never offered much. I don't refer to Brady as your "love child," so grow up a bit. The fact is, I pointed to the weaknesses of a QB like Brady in detail three weeks ago and you raised a fit, arguing that such things are not relevant to the magical mystery tour that you seem to be on.

The fact is, everything I specifically pointed to, and raised concerns about in advance of last Saturday, happened last Saturday. Every. Single. One.

That's really the problem you have here, and its one you can't cure with ad hominem remarks, because your self-proclaimed infinite knowledge turned out to be wrong and my analysis turned out to be correct. At every point there is a bottom line, and that's the bottom line here.

Actually what I did was say that even with the weaknesses of Brady...he is a better option at QB than Simis.....I never ever stated that Brady did not have weaknesses....or even that Brady was a good QB.....did I........

 

[UMGriz75]

Actually what I did was say that even with the weaknesses of Brady...he is a better option at QB than Simis.....I never ever stated that Brady did not have weaknesses....or even that Brady was a good QB.....did I........

Get over yourself. You claimed that "stats" were not a guide to QB performance and could not describe something as "complex" as football, a statement I could somewhat agree with, but also pointed out that certain kinds of stats, used properly, can indeed be an analytical tool. And proceeded to use them to analyze the problems I saw with Brady, in precise detail. Your response was hyperbolic arm waving. OK. We tested my theory against yours. The stats won. That game is over.

 

[grizindabox]

Actually what I did was say that even with the weaknesses of Brady...he is a better option at QB than Simis.....I never ever stated that Brady did not have weaknesses....or even that Brady was a good QB.....did I........

Get over yourself. You claimed that "stats" were not a guide to QB performance and could not describe something as "complex" as football, a statement I could somewhat agree with, but also pointed out that certain kinds of stats, used properly, can indeed be an analytical tool. And proceeded to use them to analyze the problems I saw with Brady, in precise detail. Your response was hyperbolic arm waving. OK. We tested my theory against yours. The stats won. That game is over.

Actually what I said was that stats are not the only thing used to evaluate the QB position....you obviously believe otherwise....you ever hear the adage "Stats can be deceiving"....well, that is Simis.....

 

[UMGriz75]

Actually what I said was that stats are not the only thing used to evaluate the QB position....you obviously believe otherwise....you ever hear the adage "Stats can be deceiving"....well, that is Simis.....

And this goes to how you think. We can't test my (or your) opinion of Simis subsequent to my analysis. We can test my analysis of Brady because he has played subsequent to that point in time. On everything that was a testable hypothesis, I was correct and you were wrong. That game is still over.

 

[grizindabox]

Actually what I said was that stats are not the only thing used to evaluate the QB position....you obviously believe otherwise....you ever hear the adage "Stats can be deceiving"....well, that is Simis.....

And this goes to how you think. We can't test my (or your) opinion of Simis subsequent to my analysis. We can test my analysis of Brady because he has played subsequent to that point in time. On everything that was a testable hypothesis, I was correct and you were wrong. That game is still over.

You do realize that you are the ONLY person that believes that Simis is a better option at QB.....doesn't that tell you anything....

 

[UMGriz75]

Actually what I said was that stats are not the only thing used to evaluate the QB position....you obviously believe otherwise....you ever hear the adage "Stats can be deceiving"....well, that is Simis.....

And this goes to how you think. We can't test my (or your) opinion of Simis subsequent to my analysis. We can test my analysis of Brady because he has played subsequent to that point in time. On everything that was a testable hypothesis, I was correct and you were wrong. That game is still over.

You do realize that you are the ONLY person that believes that Simis is a better option at QB.....doesn't that tell you anything....

That also defines your strategy: the standard straw man. I did specifically say "I do not know who is the better QB" because, among other things, each is following to some extent "orders." But, you got in a belly bumping frenzy over this, and just can't let go of the fact that you were wrong, and now your only retort is to fabricate words I did not say. It adds dishonesty to your list of tactics. Get over it. You were wrong. It is something you will have to live with not only for the rest of your life, but all eternity.

 

[grizindabox]

Actually what I said was that stats are not the only thing used to evaluate the QB position....you obviously believe otherwise....you ever hear the adage "Stats can be deceiving"....well, that is Simis.....

And this goes to how you think. We can't test my (or your) opinion of Simis subsequent to my analysis. We can test my analysis of Brady because he has played subsequent to that point in time. On everything that was a testable hypothesis, I was correct and you were wrong. That game is still over.

You do realize that you are the ONLY person that believes that Simis is a better option at QB.....doesn't that tell you anything....

That also defines your strategy: the standard straw man. I did specifically say "i do not know who is the better QB" because, among other things, each is following to some extent "orders." But, you got in a belly bumping frenzy over this, and just can't let go of the fact that you were wrong, and now your only retort is to fabricate words I did not say. It adds dishonesty to your list of tactics. Get over it. You were wrong. It is something you will have to live with not only for the rest of your life, but all eternity.

About what....

 

[UMGriz75]

About what....

Let it go. Being wrong is at one level, pretending ignorance is at another level.

 

[grizindabox]

About what....

Let it go. Being wrong is at one level, pretending ignorance is at another level.

So you are stating that I was wrong about Brady being the better QB option than Simis......and this was proved how by you.....