If you can't handle losing or adversity....

[PlayerRep]

at $50+ per ticket...better hope nobody chooses to go out that door-

Or the program budget will be shot...

If some fans are going to complain and react like this over a loss, then the program would be better off without them,in my view. The program has to win consistently to keep the big crowds and stadium atmosphere, but the program is hurt by some of this BS complaining and attacking of coaches, again in my view. For example, there's a big difference between the post immediately above this post, and calling for the head coach to be fired.

 

[seataccat]

Everyone needs to go back and re-read the prediction thread from last week going into the sac state game. After the EWU win everyone was optimistic about the season. The team didn't look good against SSU but it was only one game and you are still talking about the same team. Next week the BSC will have a whole new look and feel.

 

[getgrizzy]

A well coached team will win on the road in big games and pflus teams haven't yet shown they could do that.

we're 9-6 under pflugrad.
7-1 at home; 2-5 on the road.
we have home games vs. no. colo, wsu w. oregon and psu.
road games at isu, nau and msu.
wsu is the only team that has real shot at beating us at home.
we could go 2-1 on the road.
that's 6-1, which would be a vast improvement on 9-6.
that would put us back in the playoffs.
that would be a good starting point.
even if we don't win a p.o. game, it's something to build on.
i'm expecting 7-4, which is ok.
hoping for 8-3.
that would be awesome.

 

[putter]

Lots of football to play. We are 2-2 and 6 weeks ago many of us (including myself) would have been happy with 2-2. I am not happy with 2-2 because of the embarrassing showing and the potential to be 3-1, but it is time to learn what you can from the film and forget the rest. Remember how crappy you felt getting B-----slapped and don't let it happen again. On to the little bears from northern colorado. Go Griz.

Right there with you, I was fairly convinced after good wins vs CP and EWU that this team would go on the road and come back 3-1. I'm disappointed to, but I think that this team can refocus in a hurry and get better.

I have to disagree with you - although not totally. If you take the purely emotional posts out I see fans who are frustrated, not because of a conference loss, but rather the continuation of last years theme. I give JJ a pass. He was running for his life and made bad decisions to throw the ball into heavy coverage. He is young, will learn and get better. The D looked terrible and this is supposed to be the strength of this team. Our WR need to step up and get more physical. Someone mentioned the bubble screens and how it seems like everyone but Montana can get 8 -9 yards per pass. For the 2nd straight year the ST give up a score and almost 2 blocked punts - I like to see the rollout kick used to keep the D honest and thinking about the run, not a way to avoid 3 guys who have a shot to block the kick. I am not giving up on anyone but to be having the same conversations in year 2 that posters did in year 1 is a little concerning, especially on a senior heavy team.

 

[grizatheart]

I think what is frustrating is the way we turn the ball over. We have mental laspes that lead to turnovers. We are not going to win many football games being -3 or -4 what ever we were on Saturday in turnover margin.

 

[FireGriz]

A well coached team will win on the road in big games and pflus teams haven't yet shown they could do that.

we're 9-6 under pflugrad.
7-1 at home; 2-5 on the road.
we have home games vs. no. colo, wsu w. oregon and psu.
road games at isu, nau and msu.
wsu is the only team that has real shot at beating us at home.
we could go 2-1 on the road.
that's 6-1, which would be a vast improvement on 9-6.
that would put us back in the playoffs.
that would be a good starting point.
even if we don't win a p.o. game, it's something to build on.
i'm expecting 7-4, which is ok.
hoping for 8-3.
that would be awesome.

This is the problem. Since when is 7-4 ok? 7-4 is not going to win the BSC or get UM in the playoffs. Before Pflugrad, 7-4 was not even acceptable in nightmares. And now this is the new ok?

repost from a different thread:

Forever assuming Griz dominance is not fandom. It is stupidity.

By any measure, Grizzly football is in a downswing. From record, to margin of victory to something as vague as fan confidence, Griz Nation is in decline.

Blindly trumpeting the dominance of a team that could not even make the playoffs last year and has struggled to win half it's games this year makes you look like an ass, not a superfan.

I'm as big a Griz fan as anyone, but I also have the ability to see reality and recognize when the koolaid drinkers aren't any part of reality. I want the Griz to win championships as much or more than anyone, but I won't let my hope over power my realism.

This team, with this coaching staff, is a 6-5 team, with losses to WSU, MSU and probably PSU. The sooner this awful season is done, the sonner UM can realize it's mistake and send Robin Pflugrad back to assistant coaching, where he belongs.

 

[mcg]

I must say that it is a sad state of affairs where we actually hope the Griz lose. I'm not sure that is the best response.

 

[GrizGuy]

Then there's the door ------>

Griz fans need to settle down, get behind the players, and support the program. No program ever has or ever will remain a continual dominant force during it's entire existence, it's simply not possible. We all knew coming into this season that there were going to be more harsh adjustments, an incredibly tough conference, and that this team was going to be breaking in a relatively inexperienced QB regardless who won the starting spot. There were plenty of signs of bumps along the road this season.

That said, there are plenty of signs that not only can this team salvage the entire season but it can still win the conference, make the playoffs, and hit all of their team goals. We've seen countless teams build from the adversity of tough road losses ('08 vs Weber, '04 vs PSU AND SHSU, '95 vs Idaho, and so on). So don't tell me b/c this team has 1 conference road loss that the season is over. We have a team that is top-heavy with senior leadership that will not let this loss just slide.

I know there's a ton of concerns, there always is after a tough loss on the road. This team is full of smart players and coaches that are working their butts off this week to learn from it, improve on it, and get better. I have my big concerns with special teams, playcalling, and suddenly the rush defense, however I know that the best people to make those adjustments (the players and coaches) are working on it with one common goal, to improve.

As fans, it's time to rally and support the Griz. I'm not saying to hold back your concerns or criticizm, but don't give up on these guys after this loss. I think that with this reality check the Griz are going to start playing tougher, meaner, and more efficiently. I'm excited for the rest of this season, and I'm not quitting on this team and I hope all of you won't either.

GO GRIZ

:thumb: :clap:

 

[GrizGuy]

Next week's game will be crucial. Good football programs learn from a bad performance and improve upon it. All of this chatter about firing coaches and calling our players poor athletes has to stop. They are capable. I'm looking forward to see how they respond.

:clap: :thumb:

 

[zengriz]

Next week's game will be crucial. Good football programs learn from a bad performance and improve upon it. All of this chatter about firing coaches and calling our players poor athletes has to stop. They are capable. I'm looking forward to see how they respond.

:clap: :thumb:

...when i got my ticketz...
...wazn't to excited about...
...homecoming and no. colo...
...but all that haz changed now...
...maybe the most important game...

... ...

 

[AZGrizFan]

This team is full of smart players and coaches that are working their butts off this week to learn from it, improve on it, and get better. I have my big concerns with special teams, playcalling, and suddenly the rush defense, however I know that the best people to make those adjustments (the players and coaches) are working on it with one common goal, to improve.

Are you sure about that? There's been no measurable improvement in 15 games. Why would you expect some miraculous turnaround in the next 6? Oh, we'll beat UNC and that'll prove absolutely NOTHING. It's going to take a lot more than just "improving" to beat the likes of Weber, MSU and even NAU/PSU.

This team/coaching staff is gradually taking on a new identity...and it ain't a good one.

 

[kemajic]

Lots of football to play. We are 2-2 and 6 weeks ago many of us (including myself) would have been happy with 2-2. I am not happy with 2-2 because of the embarrassing showing and the potential to be 3-1, but it is time to learn what you can from the film and forget the rest. Remember how crappy you felt getting B-----slapped and don't let it happen again. On to the little bears from northern colorado. Go Griz.

Right there with you, I was fairly convinced after good wins vs CP and EWU that this team would go on the road and come back 3-1. I'm disappointed to, but I think that this team can refocus in a hurry and get better.

Agree; this game was hardly any different from the '08 Weber game in Ogden, from which we rebounded the next week to hold EWU to a field goal, kill the Bobcats, get revenge on Weber in the playoffs and move on to the NC game. Some have very short memories; there was the same doom's day whining back then. Hauck's staff had not even recognized the value of Chase Reynolds at that time (184 yards in 5 games). The relevant differences are that we had an experienced QB in '08 and we had Hauck vs. Pflu coaching. So maybe how the Griz respond to this stinker will be a good comparision of the grit of a Hauck UM team vs. RP.

 

[George Ferguson]

to argrizfan..if this is the worst and most complete beating you've ever seen the Griz take then I'm assuming you were not yet a fan in 1998 because this game doesn't even come CLOSE to the ass beating the Griz took at Western Illinois. Not even remotely close in any stretch of the imagination. And that's after the Griz had had won a national title mind you! It's not even close to the beatdown against Marshall in 1996 either. So while I'm disappointed in Saturday night's loss too, it has happened before and it will most certainly happen again.

 

[Grizmayor]

Good thing this is just an "opinion" board... and I know this is Obama's New America, but until all his Minions fully take over the airwaves and internet, I think we are all still free to comment on what we think and believe from viewing the same game. 2000 E-Grizzers = 2000 different opinions. I agree with some of Brint's post, and think some of it is BS. But please don't order E-Grizzers to do anything or agree with you, or this place wouldn't be worth a siht to tune in to. :argue:

 

[Grizo406]

This team is full of smart players and coaches that are working their butts off this week to learn from it, improve on it, and get better. I have my big concerns with special teams, playcalling, and suddenly the rush defense, however I know that the best people to make those adjustments (the players and coaches) are working on it with one common goal, to improve.

Are you sure about that? There's been no measurable improvement in 15 games. Why would you expect some miraculous turnaround in the next 6? Oh, we'll beat UNC and that'll prove absolutely NOTHING. It's going to take a lot more than just "improving" to beat the likes of Weber, MSU and even NAU/PSU.

This team/coaching staff is gradually taking on a new identity...and it ain't a good one.

Well said, AZ! :thumb:

 

[Montanan]

hell, I remember some of the pre Swarthout years, now those were ugly. yet the fan base, small as it was, were truly a loyal group. if I remember right we were something like 2-8 or something like that against the Cats. what we're seeing right now is certainly a little uncomfortable, but nowhere near the realm of ugly. winning is great, but even when it doesn't happen it's possible to enjoy yourself and have fun. well, luckily for some of us it is!

 

[AZDoc]

This team is full of smart players and coaches that are working their butts off this week to learn from it, improve on it, and get better. I have my big concerns with special teams, playcalling, and suddenly the rush defense, however I know that the best people to make those adjustments (the players and coaches) are working on it with one common goal, to improve.

Are you sure about that? There's been no measurable improvement in 15 games. Why would you expect some miraculous turnaround in the next 6? Oh, we'll beat UNC and that'll prove absolutely NOTHING. It's going to take a lot more than just "improving" to beat the likes of Weber, MSU and even NAU/PSU.

This team/coaching staff is gradually taking on a new identity...and it ain't a good one.

I agree somewhat, but if we can get a rhythm on offense during the "easy" part of the schedule, then that could carry us into the playoffs. There is still the time of possession issue...but I heard a stat while watching the Oregon/Arizona game on Saturday: Oregon was next to last in the nation in TOP last year. They made it to the Championship game. What that tells me is that if the offense gets rolling and puts up points...no matter how fast...we can play from ahead and that will help the defense. We need to finish drives. That's offensive coordinator/kicker/dropped passes...whatever. If those things are improved in the next few weeks, we may make a nice run into the playoffs scoring 40 ppg. We better beat UNC by at least 30.

 

[grizatwork]

Good thing this is just an "opinion" board... and I know this is Obama's New America, but until all his Minions fully take over the airwaves and internet, I think we are all still free to comment on what we think and believe from viewing the same game. 2000 E-Grizzers = 2000 different opinions. I agree with some of Brint's post, and think some of it is BS. But please don't order E-Grizzers to do anything or agree with you, or this place wouldn't be worth a siht to tune in to. :argue:

Wow, it only took you till page two to insert your "political" rant on a sports "opinion" board. Not sure it made your post any more or less relavent, but entertaining nonetheless.

 

[grizatwork]

This team is full of smart players and coaches that are working their butts off this week to learn from it, improve on it, and get better. I have my big concerns with special teams, playcalling, and suddenly the rush defense, however I know that the best people to make those adjustments (the players and coaches) are working on it with one common goal, to improve.

Are you sure about that? There's been no measurable improvement in 15 games. Why would you expect some miraculous turnaround in the next 6? Oh, we'll beat UNC and that'll prove absolutely NOTHING. It's going to take a lot more than just "improving" to beat the likes of Weber, MSU and even NAU/PSU.

This team/coaching staff is gradually taking on a new identity...and it ain't a good one.

I agree somewhat, but if we can get a rhythm on offense during the "easy" part of the schedule, then that could carry us into the playoffs. There is still the time of possession issue...but I heard a stat while watching the Oregon/Arizona game on Saturday: Oregon was next to last in the nation in TOP last year. They made it to the Championship game. What that tells me is that if the offense gets rolling and puts up points...no matter how fast...we can play from ahead and that will help the defense. We need to finish drives. That's offensive coordinator/kicker/dropped passes...whatever. If those things are improved in the next few weeks, we may make a nice run into the playoffs scoring 40 ppg. We better beat UNC by at least 30.

Very good points. I am more interested in total plays than time of posssession anyways. Almost all plays last the same 5 to 10 seconds. The hurry up can be brutal if you are getting first downs as it does not allow for recovery time. We saw glimpses of this in the EWU game. There were times when we were moving the chains that you could see the exhaustion on the defense. If you are not moving the chains, then it can be brutal on your own defense as a three and out gives them a minute to rest instead of 3 to 4 minutes.

 

[spsyk]

hell, I remember some of the pre Swarthout years, now those were ugly. yet the fan base, small as it was, were truly a loyal group. if I remember right we were something like 2-8 or something like that against the Cats. what we're seeing right now is certainly a little uncomfortable, but nowhere near the realm of ugly. winning is great, but even when it doesn't happen it's possible to enjoy yourself and have fun. well, luckily for some of us it is!

It is a generational thing, the generation that we hail from, didn't look to instant gratification, to pursue and enjoy life.

Fans of the Swarthout days, are fans of many disappointments, till the regime of coach Read, and it was well worth the wait, to enjoy the program and teams that have evolved.

I can assure you this, after reading the tripe posted after Sat. game, there would not be many that would do what many of the fans did even while not winning conference championships, going to the playoffs and even winning National Championships, to advance and promote the program to what it has become, I glad and grateful that I was part of that, so those that seem ungrateful can enjoy and complain today.




Go Griz. I see you Sat. without even giving a thought about last week.