If it is Hauck....

[NLGrizFan]

If it is Hauck.... it will be yet another experiment at the HC position. Yes Bobby was a proven winner in a weak Big Sky a long time ago, but will he be able to win there again? It will be like taking your ex girlfriend back. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Will he be the guy that can compete for the Big Sky title again? You'll find out in 2020, 2021 or so.

Isn't every hire of a HC another experiment? Wasn't Choate?

No Choate was hired to field test the Manzier (aka the Bro). You ever watch him on the side lines jump up and down . Jesus he is going to knock himself out with those :shock:

You don't want to talk to him if he's in a bad moob. Very mooby guy.

I hear his halftime pep talks are moobing!! But if he doesn’t coming up an above .500 record he might be moobing soon.

 

[Ursus1]

Isn't every hire of a HC another experiment? Wasn't Choate?

No Choate was hired to field test the Manzier (aka the Bro). You ever watch him on the side lines jump up and down . Jesus he is going to knock himself out with those :shock:

You don't want to talk to him if he's in a bad moob. Very mooby guy.

I hear his halftime pep talks are moobing!! But if he doesn’t coming up an above .500 record he might be moobing soon.

And will slobber all over the front row so watch out

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Isn't every hire of a HC another experiment? Wasn't Choate?

No Choate was hired to field test the Manzier (aka the Bro). You ever watch him on the side lines jump up and down . Jesus he is going to knock himself out with those :shock:

You don't want to talk to him if he's in a bad moob. Very mooby guy.

I hear his halftime pep talks are moobing!! But if he doesn’t coming up an above .500 record he might be moobing soon.

Maybe to Cleave-land? A motorboat on Lake Erie can get a bit nippy in the winters. I guess he could just move to Inland OC and fake it.

 

[Catsrgrood]

If it is Hauck.... it will be yet another experiment at the HC position. Yes Bobby was a proven winner in a weak Big Sky a long time ago, but will he be able to win there again? It will be like taking your ex girlfriend back. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Will he be the guy that can compete for the Big Sky title again? You'll find out in 2020, 2021 or so.

That is very true, but from a personal standpoint, I would rather take on this experiment than hope for similar results from someone who hasn't been a HC before. And I honestly think we will know if Hauck was a good choice or not sooner than 2020. There is enough talent on this team that he can at least be very competitive earlier than that.

If Hauck is not hired this time around & whoever the next coach is doesn't pan out, Hauck will go down as one of the great unknowns.

Serious question, honestly not trolling or trying to stir things up. I'm not a big fan of that and like to actually talk about both the Cats and Griz in at least a semi-civil manner.

What if Hauck comes in and goes 6-5 or 7-4 in year one and misses the playoffs? Are these boosters going to be calling for his head right away? Is there going to be some patience in Griz nation to see what he can do with 2-3 years if the results aren't immediate like some assume they will be? (This is almost a rhetorical question, of course Hauck will be here for at least 3 years barring a crazy 1-10 season or something, but how much grumbling will be happening if he does struggle?)

It seems the majority of fans on this board are for the Hauck hire, but the ones are against it will be screaming "I told you so" if he's anything less than 8-3 right away.

There is no doubt the Griz were damn good in Haucks first tenure, but as its been stated many times now, the Big Sky is different now, a lot more even across the board. Also, Hauck stepped into a great situation and really kept it rolling the first time around. He hasn't had to "build" a program yet as a head coach. He'd be taking over what is frankly a decent team at best and there will most likely be some substantial turnover from Stitts recruits. I wouldn't say it's a total rebuild, but there will most likely be some big changes on the team with the new staff.

As poorgriz said, this really is an experiment bringing him in for round 2, 8 years later.

If nothing else it'll be interesting to see it all go down.

Hauck didn't come into a great situation last time. Team had lost 3 of last 4 games. Recruiting had slipped. This time, there is talent but some holes (as there always is) and some perceived lack of toughness, at least by some, including some Cat fans. There's a qb, some receivers, a returner, and some other very good players. I assume most of this can be filled or fixed.

As usual, poorgriz doesn't know what he's talking about. He makes an occasional good post, but he's usually a troll, or sometimes an idiot. My view of you is diminished by your citing poorgriz.

Being one year removed from a National Championship and the 2nd in 6 years is the definition of coming into a great situation, regardless if they lost 3 of the last 4 in 2002. Recruiting is going to be a little easier when a team has won it all as recently as that. Hauck obviously did a great job continuing to bring in the talent by making it to 3 more national championships over the next few years, but from my point of view, it seemed he kept things rolling more than building from the ground up. This time around he's working with a team that hasn't seen the post season in 2 years and hasn't won the big sky in 8 years. The difference in the situation the first time compared to this time is clear.


Fair point on your last point, I know he tends to troll more often than not. I cited him simply because he was one of the last people that commented on this thread at the time and I happened to agree with that point. Really I just didn't make my point very well, my point is that the common thought here seems to be that everyone expects him to be winning the big sky by year 2 at the latest. I think he's just as much of an "experiment" as any other new coach they could bring in. It's not a forgone conclusion he's going to excel again. Maybe he will, but we'll see.

 

[HookedonGriz]

Interesting from our senior LB....guessing a "bring back bobby"

[tweet]https://twitter.com/connorstrahm/status/935351324501204992[/tweet]

 

[1972]

Interesting from our senior LB....guessing a "bring back bobby"

[tweet]https://twitter.com/connorstrahm/status/935351324501204992[/tweet]

Just to clear up any confusion!!

https://twitter.com/connorstrahm/status/935379121261101056

 

[NLGrizFan]

Interesting from our senior LB....guessing a "bring back bobby"

[tweet]https://twitter.com/connorstrahm/status/935351324501204992[/tweet]

Robby liked the tweet. Don’t think that means a lot but...

 

[PlayerRep]

That is very true, but from a personal standpoint, I would rather take on this experiment than hope for similar results from someone who hasn't been a HC before. And I honestly think we will know if Hauck was a good choice or not sooner than 2020. There is enough talent on this team that he can at least be very competitive earlier than that.

If Hauck is not hired this time around & whoever the next coach is doesn't pan out, Hauck will go down as one of the great unknowns.

Serious question, honestly not trolling or trying to stir things up. I'm not a big fan of that and like to actually talk about both the Cats and Griz in at least a semi-civil manner.

What if Hauck comes in and goes 6-5 or 7-4 in year one and misses the playoffs? Are these boosters going to be calling for his head right away? Is there going to be some patience in Griz nation to see what he can do with 2-3 years if the results aren't immediate like some assume they will be? (This is almost a rhetorical question, of course Hauck will be here for at least 3 years barring a crazy 1-10 season or something, but how much grumbling will be happening if he does struggle?)

It seems the majority of fans on this board are for the Hauck hire, but the ones are against it will be screaming "I told you so" if he's anything less than 8-3 right away.

There is no doubt the Griz were damn good in Haucks first tenure, but as its been stated many times now, the Big Sky is different now, a lot more even across the board. Also, Hauck stepped into a great situation and really kept it rolling the first time around. He hasn't had to "build" a program yet as a head coach. He'd be taking over what is frankly a decent team at best and there will most likely be some substantial turnover from Stitts recruits. I wouldn't say it's a total rebuild, but there will most likely be some big changes on the team with the new staff.

As poorgriz said, this really is an experiment bringing him in for round 2, 8 years later.

If nothing else it'll be interesting to see it all go down.

Hauck didn't come into a great situation last time. Team had lost 3 of last 4 games. Recruiting had slipped. This time, there is talent but some holes (as there always is) and some perceived lack of toughness, at least by some, including some Cat fans. There's a qb, some receivers, a returner, and some other very good players. I assume most of this can be filled or fixed.

As usual, poorgriz doesn't know what he's talking about. He makes an occasional good post, but he's usually a troll, or sometimes an idiot. My view of you is diminished by your citing poorgriz.

Being one year removed from a National Championship and the 2nd in 6 years is the definition of coming into a great situation, regardless if they lost 3 of the last 4 in 2002. Recruiting is going to be a little easier when a team has won it all as recently as that. Hauck obviously did a great job continuing to bring in the talent by making it to 3 more national championships over the next few years, but from my point of view, it seemed he kept things rolling more than building from the ground up. This time around he's working with a team that hasn't seen the post season in 2 years and hasn't won the big sky in 8 years. The difference in the situation the first time compared to this time is clear.


Fair point on your last point, I know he tends to troll more often than not. I cited him simply because he was one of the last people that commented on this thread at the time and I happened to agree with that point. Really I just didn't make my point very well, my point is that the common thought here seems to be that everyone expects him to be winning the big sky by year 2 at the latest. I think he's just as much of an "experiment" as any other new coach they could bring in. It's not a forgone conclusion he's going to excel again. Maybe he will, but we'll see.

Nope, most UM fans don't expect Hauck to be winning the conference by year 2. You need to listen to the people who know what they are talking about, not the others.

You are completely wrong that bringing back Hauck is any big experiment. It is not. He was successful here. He is a very experienced coach. He will keep multiple assistants and bring in others who are familiar with UM. He will know how to recruit MT and have people, including himself, with significant experience. He knows how to recruit the West, and has many more contacts than when he left. His holdovers already know the players and their strengths.

He also knows many in Griz Nation. He has many friends and supporters in Griz Nation. He is good friends with and has the current support of virtually all of the big financial supporters of UM.

Can you point out any situation in Division I football with all of these positives?

Sorry, but your "experiment" comment is just plain dumb.

Yes, nothing is a foregone conclusion, but his likelihood of success is very high.

 

[Catsrgrood]

Serious question, honestly not trolling or trying to stir things up. I'm not a big fan of that and like to actually talk about both the Cats and Griz in at least a semi-civil manner.

What if Hauck comes in and goes 6-5 or 7-4 in year one and misses the playoffs? Are these boosters going to be calling for his head right away? Is there going to be some patience in Griz nation to see what he can do with 2-3 years if the results aren't immediate like some assume they will be? (This is almost a rhetorical question, of course Hauck will be here for at least 3 years barring a crazy 1-10 season or something, but how much grumbling will be happening if he does struggle?)

It seems the majority of fans on this board are for the Hauck hire, but the ones are against it will be screaming "I told you so" if he's anything less than 8-3 right away.

There is no doubt the Griz were damn good in Haucks first tenure, but as its been stated many times now, the Big Sky is different now, a lot more even across the board. Also, Hauck stepped into a great situation and really kept it rolling the first time around. He hasn't had to "build" a program yet as a head coach. He'd be taking over what is frankly a decent team at best and there will most likely be some substantial turnover from Stitts recruits. I wouldn't say it's a total rebuild, but there will most likely be some big changes on the team with the new staff.

As poorgriz said, this really is an experiment bringing him in for round 2, 8 years later.

If nothing else it'll be interesting to see it all go down.

Hauck didn't come into a great situation last time. Team had lost 3 of last 4 games. Recruiting had slipped. This time, there is talent but some holes (as there always is) and some perceived lack of toughness, at least by some, including some Cat fans. There's a qb, some receivers, a returner, and some other very good players. I assume most of this can be filled or fixed.

As usual, poorgriz doesn't know what he's talking about. He makes an occasional good post, but he's usually a troll, or sometimes an idiot. My view of you is diminished by your citing poorgriz.

Being one year removed from a National Championship and the 2nd in 6 years is the definition of coming into a great situation, regardless if they lost 3 of the last 4 in 2002. Recruiting is going to be a little easier when a team has won it all as recently as that. Hauck obviously did a great job continuing to bring in the talent by making it to 3 more national championships over the next few years, but from my point of view, it seemed he kept things rolling more than building from the ground up. This time around he's working with a team that hasn't seen the post season in 2 years and hasn't won the big sky in 8 years. The difference in the situation the first time compared to this time is clear.


Fair point on your last point, I know he tends to troll more often than not. I cited him simply because he was one of the last people that commented on this thread at the time and I happened to agree with that point. Really I just didn't make my point very well, my point is that the common thought here seems to be that everyone expects him to be winning the big sky by year 2 at the latest. I think he's just as much of an "experiment" as any other new coach they could bring in. It's not a forgone conclusion he's going to excel again. Maybe he will, but we'll see.

Nope, most UM fans don't expect Hauck to be winning the conference by year 2. You need to listen to the people who know what they are talking about, not the others.

You are completely wrong that bringing back Hauck is any big experiment. It is not. He was successful here. He is a very experienced coach. He will keep multiple assistants and bring in others who are familiar with UM. He will know how to recruit MT and have people, including himself, with significant experience. He knows how to recruit the West, and has many more contacts than when he left. His holdovers already know the players and their strengths.

He also knows many in Griz Nation. He has many friends and supporters in Griz Nation. He is good friends with and has the current support of virtually all of the big financial supporters of UM.

Can you point out any situation in Division I football with all of these positives?

Sorry, but your "experiment" comment is just plain dumb.

Yes, nothing is a foregone conclusion, but his likelihood of success is very high.

Seems a little defensive...
Yes you pointed out some positives, although I’d say that just about every coaching change that happens anywhere, the new coach keeps some position coaches in place to have some kind of continuity and familiarity with the players that are there now. So I see that one as a moot point.

How clean is he going to keep the program this time? There were a lot of legal issues with players last time around. All his fault? Of course not, but something to watch, will he keep the players in line a little or will he bring in some of the same type guys he had last time that we’re causing some of the issues? This guy was damn near ran out of town last time around between the legal issues and not being to “win the big one”. But a handful of so-so seasons sure do change some perspective around here.

It’s for this reason and reasons I stated before (Big Sky has changed, he’s having to build from a mediocre team rather than taking over a team that is a year removed from a national championship, etc) that I say it is some kind of “experiment”. Maybe that’s not necessarily the right word for it, but the general idea I’ve stated is my opinion and your comments haven’t changed that.

But I guess since my opinion doesn’t fall in line with what you think, it’s dumb. That’s cool.

 

[Catsrgrood]

Interesting from our senior LB....guessing a "bring back bobby"

[tweet]https://twitter.com/connorstrahm/status/935351324501204992[/tweet]

He’s clearly pleading to Lavar Ball to bring his Big Baller Brand to Missoula and sponser the team.

 

[poorgriz]

If it is Hauck.... it will be yet another experiment at the HC position. Yes Bobby was a proven winner in a weak Big Sky a long time ago, but will he be able to win there again? It will be like taking your ex girlfriend back. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Will he be the guy that can compete for the Big Sky title again? You'll find out in 2020, 2021 or so.

That is very true, but from a personal standpoint, I would rather take on this experiment than hope for similar results from someone who hasn't been a HC before. And I honestly think we will know if Hauck was a good choice or not sooner than 2020. There is enough talent on this team that he can at least be very competitive earlier than that.

If Hauck is not hired this time around & whoever the next coach is doesn't pan out, Hauck will go down as one of the great unknowns.

Serious question, honestly not trolling or trying to stir things up. I'm not a big fan of that and like to actually talk about both the Cats and Griz in at least a semi-civil manner.

What if Hauck comes in and goes 6-5 or 7-4 in year one and misses the playoffs? Are these boosters going to be calling for his head right away? Is there going to be some patience in Griz nation to see what he can do with 2-3 years if the results aren't immediate like some assume they will be? (This is almost a rhetorical question, of course Hauck will be here for at least 3 years barring a crazy 1-10 season or something, but how much grumbling will be happening if he does struggle?)

It seems the majority of fans on this board are for the Hauck hire, but the ones are against it will be screaming "I told you so" if he's anything less than 8-3 right away.

There is no doubt the Griz were damn good in Haucks first tenure, but as its been stated many times now, the Big Sky is different now, a lot more even across the board. Also, Hauck stepped into a great situation and really kept it rolling the first time around. He hasn't had to "build" a program yet as a head coach. He'd be taking over what is frankly a decent team at best and there will most likely be some substantial turnover from Stitts recruits. I wouldn't say it's a total rebuild, but there will most likely be some big changes on the team with the new staff.

As poorgriz said, this really is an experiment bringing him in for round 2, 8 years later.

If nothing else it'll be interesting to see it all go down.

Serious answer. There will be no calling for Hauck's head if that happens in year one. Not even grumbling. But most will think it didn't go as well as hoped for. Other factors will come into play too. There will be enough patience for 2 or 3 years, unless things really don't look good.

The ones who are against it are not big supporters and are just big or little mouths on the internet. No one of importance will pay attention to them.

Hauck didn't come into a great situation last time. Team had lost 3 of last 4 games. Recruiting had slipped. This time, there is talent but some holes (as there always is) and some perceived lack of toughness, at least by some, including some Cat fans. There's a qb, some receivers, a returner, and some other very good players. I assume most of this can be filled or fixed.

He doesn't have to build a program. Neither did Stitt, but he apparently thought he did, and changed too many things and people. He wanted too much to be his way.

Many of the big assistants will stay under Hauck. Other coaches will be people familiar to the remaining staff and Griz fans, is my guess.

As usual, poorgriz doesn't know what he's talking about. He makes an occasional good post, but he's usually a troll, or sometimes an idiot. My view of you is diminished by your citing poorgriz.

So I re read my post a couple times and I can't seem to find which part exactly you're disagreeing with? That Hauck is an experiment? Yes, it's been discussed that all coaching hires are an experiment at some level, Choate was an experiment for MSU because he has never been a head coach. I think he's going to work out quite well when it's all said and done but we'll see. Or maybe you're disagreeing with me that if it is Hauck it will be 2020 or 2021 before you know if it was a great hire? Would you care to wager that if Hauck gets hired you won't win the Big Sky in 2018 or 2019? For someone that understands the game I'd think you would understand what is happening with some of the other programs. There are several teams in the Big Sky that have made great coaching hires and the programs are getting stronger.

Before you agree to a wager however, keep in mind that I was right about a lot of things this year. You may notice I don't have one single post coming on there after we beat you to rub it in or brag about everything that I was right about but since you just called me out for being an idiot and a troll, here are the things I can think of off the top of my head.

Stitt's system is flawed (at this level at least) and with it the griz will never consistently win the Big Sky. Check.

Stitt's system puts too much stress on the QB and is too dependent on the QB, so it's a double whammy in that if the QB has a bad day, you lose. Secondly, his system leads to the QBs getting injured more often than most other programs. Check, check.

UM wasn't getting better each game and peaking at the right time towards the end of the season, but rather was gifted a W when Cookus got ejected and had the luxury of playing bad teams. Check. (I think the Cat-griz game proved this).

The griz will end the season at 7-4 (Yes ,this was my pre season prediction). :thumb: CHECK!

The griz will be a bubble team for the playoffs at 7-4. Kind of a check, although you were pretty much not on the bubble any more after we beat you.

Cats end up 6-5. (Yep, missed this one by one game but pretty damn close.)

So yes, I'm going to keep calling out stupid posters and stupid predictions when we get around to the prediction threads and some of you dumbasses predict a 11-0, 10-1, even 9-2 season for you now that your savior is back, and I'll be right again.

 

[Stop_HammerTime69]

Bobby Hauck is a great coach for the Griz. You haters, please stop with bringing up the past and the hateful comments. Bobby knows what happened here before, I am sure he will do all in his power to see that it doesn't happen again. I know this is asking a lot for this site. Now, let the positive energy flow all the way to Frisco. For once I might get to use my hotel reservations down there.

I'm sorry, but what do you mean by that? Are you saying we should just forget the fact that he and his players weren't exactly saints off the field, especially when we're talking about bringing that back?

 

[Stop_HammerTime69]

So yes, I'm going to keep calling out stupid posters and stupid predictions when we get around to the prediction threads and some of you dumbasses predict a 11-0, 10-1, even 9-2 season for you now that your savior is back, and I'll be right again.

I mean, we fired a coach who won 60% of his games while dealing with scholarship restrictions three years in, you better believe the next guy should be held to a higher standard. That's why we fired Stitt.

 

[poorgriz]

So yes, I'm going to keep calling out stupid posters and stupid predictions when we get around to the prediction threads and some of you dumbasses predict a 11-0, 10-1, even 9-2 season for you now that your savior is back, and I'll be right again.

I mean, we fired a coach who won 60% of his games while dealing with scholarship restrictions three years in, you better believe the next guy should be held to a higher standard. That's why we fired Stitt.

Yep, agree, but there is some power in the Big Sky right now regardless of what some of you think. SUU and Weber are powerful teams. NAU, EWU, and UND are pretty damn good although UND obviously had a crazy bad year with injuries. Idaho is coming back and they're going to be tough at the FCS level. MSU is turning the corner whether you want to believe it or not. Cal Poly I believe will recover. PSU might. UC Davis and Sac are sleepers, they both might be damn good next year. Don't count out UNC or ISU either.

 

[PlayerRep]

Hauck didn't come into a great situation last time. Team had lost 3 of last 4 games. Recruiting had slipped. This time, there is talent but some holes (as there always is) and some perceived lack of toughness, at least by some, including some Cat fans. There's a qb, some receivers, a returner, and some other very good players. I assume most of this can be filled or fixed.

As usual, poorgriz doesn't know what he's talking about. He makes an occasional good post, but he's usually a troll, or sometimes an idiot. My view of you is diminished by your citing poorgriz.

Being one year removed from a National Championship and the 2nd in 6 years is the definition of coming into a great situation, regardless if they lost 3 of the last 4 in 2002. Recruiting is going to be a little easier when a team has won it all as recently as that. Hauck obviously did a great job continuing to bring in the talent by making it to 3 more national championships over the next few years, but from my point of view, it seemed he kept things rolling more than building from the ground up. This time around he's working with a team that hasn't seen the post season in 2 years and hasn't won the big sky in 8 years. The difference in the situation the first time compared to this time is clear.


Fair point on your last point, I know he tends to troll more often than not. I cited him simply because he was one of the last people that commented on this thread at the time and I happened to agree with that point. Really I just didn't make my point very well, my point is that the common thought here seems to be that everyone expects him to be winning the big sky by year 2 at the latest. I think he's just as much of an "experiment" as any other new coach they could bring in. It's not a forgone conclusion he's going to excel again. Maybe he will, but we'll see.

Nope, most UM fans don't expect Hauck to be winning the conference by year 2. You need to listen to the people who know what they are talking about, not the others.

You are completely wrong that bringing back Hauck is any big experiment. It is not. He was successful here. He is a very experienced coach. He will keep multiple assistants and bring in others who are familiar with UM. He will know how to recruit MT and have people, including himself, with significant experience. He knows how to recruit the West, and has many more contacts than when he left. His holdovers already know the players and their strengths.

He also knows many in Griz Nation. He has many friends and supporters in Griz Nation. He is good friends with and has the current support of virtually all of the big financial supporters of UM.

Can you point out any situation in Division I football with all of these positives?

Sorry, but your "experiment" comment is just plain dumb.

Yes, nothing is a foregone conclusion, but his likelihood of success is very high.

Seems a little defensive...
Yes you pointed out some positives, although I’d say that just about every coaching change that happens anywhere, the new coach keeps some position coaches in place to have some kind of continuity and familiarity with the players that are there now. So I see that one as a moot point.

How clean is he going to keep the program this time? There were a lot of legal issues with players last time around. All his fault? Of course not, but something to watch, will he keep the players in line a little or will he bring in some of the same type guys he had last time that we’re causing some of the issues? This guy was damn near ran out of town last time around between the legal issues and not being to “win the big one”. But a handful of so-so seasons sure do change some perspective around here.

It’s for this reason and reasons I stated before (Big Sky has changed, he’s having to build from a mediocre team rather than taking over a team that is a year removed from a national championship, etc) that I say it is some kind of “experiment”. Maybe that’s not necessarily the right word for it, but the general idea I’ve stated is my opinion and your comments haven’t changed that.

But I guess since my opinion doesn’t fall in line with what you think, it’s dumb. That’s cool.

Almost everything you said is incorrect. Hauck, if he is hired, will keep way more holdovers than is usually done. Stitt kept 1 holdover. How many did Choate keep?

Hauck runs, or tries to run, a tight ship. He apparently didn't have any significant issues at UNLV. Is he the recruiting coordinator at SDS? He is certainly involved there. Any issues at SDS? Don't know what he needs to clean up at UM. Stitt's players had a number of issues, but those things happen, and Stitt was fine in that regard.

I don't agree that there were lots of legal issues, i.e. real ones, during the 7 years he was here. Sure, like at every school, there were some. I don't count things like Wilson (acquitted), claims never filed, and charges that were dropped or dropped to essentially nothing. House burglary, yes. Drunk frosh punching a kid. All of those players sent packing. What are all the legal issues of note that concerned you so much? Did the murder and guns in the athletic locker room stuff at MSU bother you at all?

3 transfers brought in by Hauck over 7 years had any significant legal problems at UM.

Hauck wasn't darn near run out of town last time. Not for legal issues. Not for losing in Chatty. Just didn't occur, and is not true. He moved on for a new challenge and more money.

The returning players are fine, and all or most of the holes will be filled. The talent level is now bad.

Yes, "experiment" is certainly the wrong word. I can't think of any situation ever where the return of a coach like Hauck in this situation would be less of an experiment. It's the opposite of an experiment.

 

[Brother Bear]

There will be no learning curve with Hauck... there was with Stitt (much more than people realized)

 

[PlayerRep]

That is very true, but from a personal standpoint, I would rather take on this experiment than hope for similar results from someone who hasn't been a HC before. And I honestly think we will know if Hauck was a good choice or not sooner than 2020. There is enough talent on this team that he can at least be very competitive earlier than that.

If Hauck is not hired this time around & whoever the next coach is doesn't pan out, Hauck will go down as one of the great unknowns.

Serious question, honestly not trolling or trying to stir things up. I'm not a big fan of that and like to actually talk about both the Cats and Griz in at least a semi-civil manner.

What if Hauck comes in and goes 6-5 or 7-4 in year one and misses the playoffs? Are these boosters going to be calling for his head right away? Is there going to be some patience in Griz nation to see what he can do with 2-3 years if the results aren't immediate like some assume they will be? (This is almost a rhetorical question, of course Hauck will be here for at least 3 years barring a crazy 1-10 season or something, but how much grumbling will be happening if he does struggle?)

It seems the majority of fans on this board are for the Hauck hire, but the ones are against it will be screaming "I told you so" if he's anything less than 8-3 right away.

There is no doubt the Griz were damn good in Haucks first tenure, but as its been stated many times now, the Big Sky is different now, a lot more even across the board. Also, Hauck stepped into a great situation and really kept it rolling the first time around. He hasn't had to "build" a program yet as a head coach. He'd be taking over what is frankly a decent team at best and there will most likely be some substantial turnover from Stitts recruits. I wouldn't say it's a total rebuild, but there will most likely be some big changes on the team with the new staff.

As poorgriz said, this really is an experiment bringing him in for round 2, 8 years later.

If nothing else it'll be interesting to see it all go down.

Serious answer. There will be no calling for Hauck's head if that happens in year one. Not even grumbling. But most will think it didn't go as well as hoped for. Other factors will come into play too. There will be enough patience for 2 or 3 years, unless things really don't look good.

The ones who are against it are not big supporters and are just big or little mouths on the internet. No one of importance will pay attention to them.

Hauck didn't come into a great situation last time. Team had lost 3 of last 4 games. Recruiting had slipped. This time, there is talent but some holes (as there always is) and some perceived lack of toughness, at least by some, including some Cat fans. There's a qb, some receivers, a returner, and some other very good players. I assume most of this can be filled or fixed.

He doesn't have to build a program. Neither did Stitt, but he apparently thought he did, and changed too many things and people. He wanted too much to be his way.

Many of the big assistants will stay under Hauck. Other coaches will be people familiar to the remaining staff and Griz fans, is my guess.

As usual, poorgriz doesn't know what he's talking about. He makes an occasional good post, but he's usually a troll, or sometimes an idiot. My view of you is diminished by your citing poorgriz.

So I re read my post a couple times and I can't seem to find which part exactly you're disagreeing with? That Hauck is an experiment? Yes, it's been discussed that all coaching hires are an experiment at some level, Choate was an experiment for MSU because he has never been a head coach. I think he's going to work out quite well when it's all said and done but we'll see. Or maybe you're disagreeing with me that if it is Hauck it will be 2020 or 2021 before you know if it was a great hire? Would you care to wager that if Hauck gets hired you won't win the Big Sky in 2018 or 2019? For someone that understands the game I'd think you would understand what is happening with some of the other programs. There are several teams in the Big Sky that have made great coaching hires and the programs are getting stronger.

Before you agree to a wager however, keep in mind that I was right about a lot of things this year. You may notice I don't have one single post coming on there after we beat you to rub it in or brag about everything that I was right about but since you just called me out for being an idiot and a troll, here are the things I can think of off the top of my head.

Stitt's system is flawed (at this level at least) and with it the griz will never consistently win the Big Sky. Check.

Stitt's system puts too much stress on the QB and is too dependent on the QB, so it's a double whammy in that if the QB has a bad day, you lose. Secondly, his system leads to the QBs getting injured more often than most other programs. Check, check.

UM wasn't getting better each game and peaking at the right time towards the end of the season, but rather was gifted a W when Cookus got ejected and had the luxury of playing bad teams. Check. (I think the Cat-griz game proved this).

The griz will end the season at 7-4 (Yes ,this was my pre season prediction). :thumb: CHECK!

The griz will be a bubble team for the playoffs at 7-4. Kind of a check, although you were pretty much not on the bubble any more after we beat you.

Cats end up 6-5. (Yep, missed this one by one game but pretty damn close.)

So yes, I'm going to keep calling out stupid posters and stupid predictions when we get around to the prediction threads and some of you dumbasses predict a 11-0, 10-1, even 9-2 season for you now that your savior is back, and I'll be right again.

No, Hauck is not an experiment and all coaching hires are not experiments.

Hauck doesn't have to win the conference in his first two years to make significant progress towards getting the Griz back towards the top. Do you want to bet me that Hauck won't have made significant progress in that regard in 2 years?

You and I agreed on the first 2 points. Lots of people are right about a lot of things. Your 3d point is wrong. The Griz were peaking at the right time. The coaches said UNC was the best and most complete game. I don't agree with you on the NAU game. I think the Griz would have beaten NAU that day with either QB.

Great, if you predicted 7-4. I predicted the Cats would play better than the prior year, but wouldn't reach .500. I thought UM would beat the Cats, so missed that one. I almost never make season record predictions for the Griz, and this season I didn't know where the team would end up. I do know that the regular season record would have been 10-1 with Phillips. Ha.

You can go after the dumbasses who get season predictions wrong, and I will go after the dumbasses who think hiring Hauck would be an "experiment".

I don't care if Cat fans comment or brag about a win over the Griz. It was a good win for the Cats, again.

 

[reinell30]

Bobby Hauck is a great coach for the Griz. You haters, please stop with bringing up the past and the hateful comments. Bobby knows what happened here before, I am sure he will do all in his power to see that it doesn't happen again. I know this is asking a lot for this site. Now, let the positive energy flow all the way to Frisco. For once I might get to use my hotel reservations down there.

I'm sorry, but what do you mean by that? Are you saying we should just forget the fact that he and his players weren't exactly saints off the field, especially when we're talking about bringing that back?

His players did no more off the field then any other coaches. If you believe they did, you're only kidding yourself. College athletes will be college athletes. Bobby's just got caught.

 

[MikeyGriz]

I hope Bobby gets hired so he can bring Phlugrad back as OC. Then they can both go to Engstrom's Chemistry class at least once a week and flip him off. I think that would be poetic justice!

 

[SoldierGriz]

There will be no learning curve with Hauck... there was with Stitt (much more than people realized)

+1 Billion.