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Idaho Vandals considering Big Sky

mtgrizrule said:
EverettGriz said:
mtgrizrule said:
GrizzGriz said:
Player: I'm going to offer a suggestion; try communicating without being so condescending. More folks just might be willing to think about the content of your message rather than think, "what an a$$hole".

PR has mellowed the past year. Compared to some of his old posts, this post was not condescending. This coming from someone who had a few run ins with him here. Speaking of which, I think we made all of 2015 without a run in/online sparring. Cheers to that! :)

Seriously? Using terms like "people like you can't understand?". PR is the most condescending poster on this board. Which would be fine if he could actually carry the mail.

In other words, he has toned it down a lot. Is that better? :thumb:

So you're saying we all agree he's still a condescending asshole, just a little less of one! :thumb:
 
Moving the conference championship requirement to 10 team conferences will be a big move. You will see many teams getting "forced" out of their existing conferences. More FBS conferences could pop up
 
PlayerRep said:
I'm not aware anyone who argues that top-line revenue wouldn't increase at the modern-day FBS level. However, many have pointed that that expenses increase significantly at the FBS level, both in terms of the one-time cost to move up (new or upgraded facilities, new sports, possible conference buy-outs, etc.) and on ongoing annual basis (probably over $5 million per year). I don't know why people like you cannot understand or admit the difference between revenue, costs and net revenue (i.e. profit or, if no net revenue, losses).

The Idaho article also mentions the decrease in costs. Of course, you won't mention that. Can you really not understand that fewer scholarships and, eventually, lower coaches salaries will drop costs? So would a lower travel budget.

Also, people like you can't understand the costs and considerations for moving up are different than the costs and considerations of moving down. For one, moving up has the additional cost of upgrading facilities and doing other things necessary to compete at a higher level. Moving down doesn't have that cost.
You make such a strong case for moving down, it should be very popular. But the article also mentions that this is new ground, no precedent for moving down. Hmm....
 
Idaho's record against current BSC members:

EWU 15-6
UM 55-27-2
MSU 24-17-1
Weber 18-13-1
NAU 16-4
UND 3-0
PSU 11-1
SacSt 1-0
CPSLO 2-0
ISU 28-11
 
GrizzGriz said:
PlayerRep said:
EverettGriz said:
MrTitleist said:
I don't think it's a revenue problem, it's a no one from the East wants to travel to Moscow Idaho to play one of the worst teams in the country every season.

No, I completely understand that from Idaho's standpoint.

My point is that many on here (some rather vociferously) have claimed that revenue wouldn't increase at Montana if they moved to the FBS level. But Idaho's AD makes it clear that a move to the FCS would mean a drop in revenue. If Idaho, who plays in arguably the worst FBS conference in the nation and can't draw flies gets more revenue at the FBS level, any argument that Montana would not is simply unfounded.

I'm not aware anyone who argues that top-line revenue wouldn't increase at the modern-day FBS level. However, many have pointed that that expenses increase significantly at the FBS level, both in terms of the one-time cost to move up (new or upgraded facilities, new sports, possible conference buy-outs, etc.) and on ongoing annual basis (probably over $5 million per year). I don't know why people like you cannot understand or admit the difference between revenue, costs and net revenue (i.e. profit or, if no net revenue, losses).

The Idaho article also mentions the decrease in costs. Of course, you won't mention that. Can you really not understand that fewer scholarships and, eventually, lower coaches salaries will drop costs? So would a lower travel budget.

Also, people like you can't understand the costs and considerations for moving up are different than the costs and considerations of moving down. For one, moving up has the additional cost of upgrading facilities and doing other things necessary to compete at a higher level. Moving down doesn't have that cost.

Player: I'm going to offer a suggestion; try communicating without being so condescending. More folks just might be willing to think about the content of your message rather than think, "what an a$$hole".

I have suggestion for you. Don't tell me how to post.
 
putter said:
Moving the conference championship requirement to 10 team conferences will be a big move. You will see many teams getting "forced" out of their existing conferences. More FBS conferences could pop up


Yep. If that happens, look for opportunity. This could be the blow that levels the fcs as we know it.
 
EverettGriz said:
GrizzGriz said:
PlayerRep said:
EverettGriz said:
No, I completely understand that from Idaho's standpoint.

My point is that many on here (some rather vociferously) have claimed that revenue wouldn't increase at Montana if they moved to the FBS level. But Idaho's AD makes it clear that a move to the FCS would mean a drop in revenue. If Idaho, who plays in arguably the worst FBS conference in the nation and can't draw flies gets more revenue at the FBS level, any argument that Montana would not is simply unfounded.

I'm not aware anyone who argues that top-line revenue wouldn't increase at the modern-day FBS level. However, many have pointed that that expenses increase significantly at the FBS level, both in terms of the one-time cost to move up (new or upgraded facilities, new sports, possible conference buy-outs, etc.) and on ongoing annual basis (probably over $5 million per year). I don't know why people like you cannot understand or admit the difference between revenue, costs and net revenue (i.e. profit or, if no net revenue, losses).

The Idaho article also mentions the decrease in costs. Of course, you won't mention that. Can you really not understand that fewer scholarships and, eventually, lower coaches salaries will drop costs? So would a lower travel budget.

Also, people like you can't understand the costs and considerations for moving up are different than the costs and considerations of moving down. For one, moving up has the additional cost of upgrading facilities and doing other things necessary to compete at a higher level. Moving down doesn't have that cost.

Player: I'm going to offer a suggestion; try communicating without being so condescending. More folks just might be willing to think about the content of your message rather than think, "what an a$$hole".



And of course expenses would increase, PR. No one is suggesting otherwise.

But one has to assume logically that the AD is speaking here about a reduction in NET revenue. University accounting doesn't use the term "profit" so the AD isn't going to speak in such terms. By declining revenue, it's clear to most he means income over expenses ("profit" in the private sector) will decrease.

Why would you assume the AD is speaking about net revenue? I don't.

Also, you suggest otherwise all the time. You completely ignore expenses when you post about moving up.
 
EverettGriz said:
mtgrizrule said:
GrizzGriz said:
PlayerRep said:
I'm not aware anyone who argues that top-line revenue wouldn't increase at the modern-day FBS level. However, many have pointed that that expenses increase significantly at the FBS level, both in terms of the one-time cost to move up (new or upgraded facilities, new sports, possible conference buy-outs, etc.) and on ongoing annual basis (probably over $5 million per year). I don't know why people like you cannot understand or admit the difference between revenue, costs and net revenue (i.e. profit or, if no net revenue, losses).

The Idaho article also mentions the decrease in costs. Of course, you won't mention that. Can you really not understand that fewer scholarships and, eventually, lower coaches salaries will drop costs? So would a lower travel budget.

Also, people like you can't understand the costs and considerations for moving up are different than the costs and considerations of moving down. For one, moving up has the additional cost of upgrading facilities and doing other things necessary to compete at a higher level. Moving down doesn't have that cost.

Player: I'm going to offer a suggestion; try communicating without being so condescending. More folks just might be willing to think about the content of your message rather than think, "what an a$$hole".

PR has mellowed the past year. Compared to some of his old posts, this post was not condescending. This coming from someone who had a few run ins with him here. Speaking of which, I think we made all of 2015 without a run in/online sparring. Cheers to that! :)

Seriously? Using terms like "people like you can't understand?". I assure you my business acumen would run circles around good ol mellow PR. PR is the most condescending poster on this board. Which would be fine if he could actually carry the mail.

You don't even know how read a financial statement.
 
Why would you assume the AD is speaking about net revenue? I don't.

Because the public sector doesn't talk in terms of profit. They speak in terms of revenue as a net number. As I said, it's clear to most.


Oh, why do I even bother....
 
PlayerRep said:
EverettGriz said:
mtgrizrule said:
GrizzGriz said:
Player: I'm going to offer a suggestion; try communicating without being so condescending. More folks just might be willing to think about the content of your message rather than think, "what an a$$hole".

PR has mellowed the past year. Compared to some of his old posts, this post was not condescending. This coming from someone who had a few run ins with him here. Speaking of which, I think we made all of 2015 without a run in/online sparring. Cheers to that! :)

Seriously? Using terms like "people like you can't understand?". I assure you my business acumen would run circles around good ol mellow PR. PR is the most condescending poster on this board. Which would be fine if he could actually carry the mail.

You don't even know how read a financial statement.

:roll:
 
EverettGriz said:
PlayerRep said:
EverettGriz said:
mtgrizrule said:
PR has mellowed the past year. Compared to some of his old posts, this post was not condescending. This coming from someone who had a few run ins with him here. Speaking of which, I think we made all of 2015 without a run in/online sparring. Cheers to that! :)

Seriously? Using terms like "people like you can't understand?". I assure you my business acumen would run circles around good ol mellow PR. PR is the most condescending poster on this board. Which would be fine if he could actually carry the mail.

You don't even know how read a financial statement.

:roll:

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EverettGriz said:
Why would you assume the AD is speaking about net revenue? I don't.

Because the public sector doesn't talk in terms of profit. They speak in terms of revenue as a net number. As I said, it's clear to most.


Oh, why do I even bother....

Oh, really. So, are you saying that athletic departments (except for the truly profitable ones) are really meaning net losses when they speak of revenues or increasing revenues?

I agree that public universities don't make profits or don't talk about profits, but I don't agree that they mean net revenues (or net losses) when they discuss revenues. And certainly no financial statement means that.

Again, I don't see how you interpret this as net revenue:

"The Sun Belt, and FBS status, provide better revenue for the school, Staben said, but the Big Sky, where Idaho played from 1965-95, would be a much better regional fit.

“Some of our natural rivals are in the Big Sky. ... There’s some interesting things about that, but that change is a challenge,” Staben said.

"In addition to a loss in revenue, a change from FBS to FCS would mean a smaller budget, a reduction of football scholarships from 85 to 63 to fit FCS requirements, and an analyzation of all teams in the athletic department."

Oh, why bother. You don't understand financial statements.
 
PlayerRep said:
GrizzGriz said:
PlayerRep said:
EverettGriz said:
No, I completely understand that from Idaho's standpoint.

My point is that many on here (some rather vociferously) have claimed that revenue wouldn't increase at Montana if they moved to the FBS level. But Idaho's AD makes it clear that a move to the FCS would mean a drop in revenue. If Idaho, who plays in arguably the worst FBS conference in the nation and can't draw flies gets more revenue at the FBS level, any argument that Montana would not is simply unfounded.

I'm not aware anyone who argues that top-line revenue wouldn't increase at the modern-day FBS level. However, many have pointed that that expenses increase significantly at the FBS level, both in terms of the one-time cost to move up (new or upgraded facilities, new sports, possible conference buy-outs, etc.) and on ongoing annual basis (probably over $5 million per year). I don't know why people like you cannot understand or admit the difference between revenue, costs and net revenue (i.e. profit or, if no net revenue, losses).

The Idaho article also mentions the decrease in costs. Of course, you won't mention that. Can you really not understand that fewer scholarships and, eventually, lower coaches salaries will drop costs? So would a lower travel budget.

Also, people like you can't understand the costs and considerations for moving up are different than the costs and considerations of moving down. For one, moving up has the additional cost of upgrading facilities and doing other things necessary to compete at a higher level. Moving down doesn't have that cost.

Player: I'm going to offer a suggestion; try communicating without being so condescending. More folks just might be willing to think about the content of your message rather than think, "what an a$$hole".

I have suggestion for you. Don't tell me how to post.
Didn't tell you how...only made a suggestion. Just one more: don't hire a fishing guide. The "I know more than everyone" attitude will get you tossed in the river.
 
Whenever I run into a Vandal fan, I usually try to mention that I hope to see them back in the BSC at some point for football. Without fail, they are absolutely offended at the mention of it. Their answer is always "No way that is going to happen". It is actually kind of fun to get under their skin that way. But I haven't met a single Vandal fan that wants to come back to the BSC. Not saying it is a scientific poll. Just the ones I have run into.
 
grizpack said:
Whenever I run into a Vandal fan, I usually try to mention that I hope to see them back in the BSC at some point for football. Without fail, they are absolutely offended at the mention of it. Their answer is always "No way that is going to happen". It is actually kind of fun to get under their skin that way. But I haven't met a single Vandal fan that wants to come back to the BSC. Not saying it is a scientific poll. Just the ones I have run into.

Not arguing with you, but I have had the exact opposite reaction with Idaho alumni in SE Idaho.
 
grizpack said:
Whenever I run into a Vandal fan, I usually try to mention that I hope to see them back in the BSC at some point for football. Without fail, they are absolutely offended at the mention of it. Their answer is always "No way that is going to happen". It is actually kind of fun to get under their skin that way. But I haven't met a single Vandal fan that wants to come back to the BSC. Not saying it is a scientific poll. Just the ones I have run into.

As a born and raised Missoula and Griz fan but a Vandal ALUM, I really really REALLY would like to see them back in the BSC.
 
AZGrizFan said:
grizpack said:
Whenever I run into a Vandal fan, I usually try to mention that I hope to see them back in the BSC at some point for football. Without fail, they are absolutely offended at the mention of it. Their answer is always "No way that is going to happen". It is actually kind of fun to get under their skin that way. But I haven't met a single Vandal fan that wants to come back to the BSC. Not saying it is a scientific poll. Just the ones I have run into.

As a born and raised Missoula and Griz fan but a Vandal ALUM, I really really REALLY would like to see them back in the BSC.

Id like to see the Griz and Idaho in a better conference...
 
Paytonlives said:
AZGrizFan said:
grizpack said:
Whenever I run into a Vandal fan, I usually try to mention that I hope to see them back in the BSC at some point for football. Without fail, they are absolutely offended at the mention of it. Their answer is always "No way that is going to happen". It is actually kind of fun to get under their skin that way. But I haven't met a single Vandal fan that wants to come back to the BSC. Not saying it is a scientific poll. Just the ones I have run into.

As a born and raised Missoula and Griz fan but a Vandal ALUM, I really really REALLY would like to see them back in the BSC.

Id like to see the Griz and Idaho in a better conference...


This.
 
grizpack said:
Whenever I run into a Vandal fan, I usually try to mention that I hope to see them back in the BSC at some point for football. Without fail, they are absolutely offended at the mention of it. Their answer is always "No way that is going to happen". It is actually kind of fun to get under their skin that way. But I haven't met a single Vandal fan that wants to come back to the BSC. Not saying it is a scientific poll. Just the ones I have run into.
My same experience.

Nor have I heard a UNC fan argue for a return to DII....
 
Paytonlives said:
AZGrizFan said:
grizpack said:
Whenever I run into a Vandal fan, I usually try to mention that I hope to see them back in the BSC at some point for football. Without fail, they are absolutely offended at the mention of it. Their answer is always "No way that is going to happen". It is actually kind of fun to get under their skin that way. But I haven't met a single Vandal fan that wants to come back to the BSC. Not saying it is a scientific poll. Just the ones I have run into.

As a born and raised Missoula and Griz fan but a Vandal ALUM, I really really REALLY would like to see them back in the BSC.

Id like to see the Griz and Idaho in a better conference...

Well, I think I've made it pretty clear what my position is on that. But barring THAT, I'd love to see Idaho back in the Sky.
 
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