Idaho AD 5/4 : Pushing to stay FBS, but looking at FCS

[Skookum-Jim]

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- Just 1 winning season
- Was the laughing stock of the FCS

Baloney BS! They have had three winning seasons and a couple of top 25 appearances. Most of you have damn short attention spans. I am willing to bet that Idaho will not go back to the FCS. The WAC will survive, Idaho will go to another FBS Conference or they will drop football altogether. You guys act like we have a better football tradition than Idaho but the fact is they do. They are 55 wins against 27 losses against us. Everyone loves to pull that stat out against the cats as to why we are so much better than them but the same should apply to the rivalry against Idaho.

 

[BWahlberg]

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- Just 1 winning season
- Was the laughing stock of the FCS

Baloney BS! They have had three winning seasons and a couple of top 25 appearances. Most of you have damn short attention spans. I am willing to bet that Idaho will not go back to the FCS. The WAC will survive, Idaho will go to another FBS Conference or they will drop football altogether. You guys act like we have a better football tradition than Idaho but the fact is they do. They are 55 wins against 27 losses against us. Everyone loves to pull that stat out against the cats as to why we are so much better than them but the same should apply to the rivalry against Idaho.

1. Idaho sucks

Now that we've established that:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_win-loss_records" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Idaho is not the worst, but they're definately a laughing stock, currently 110 of 124 and it appears that this ticker is including their entire history and not just their FBS stint. So HOW BAD have they been if a once 1-aa dominant school has moved up and with a proud program has managed to sink into the depths of the FBS mostly thanks to the last 15ish years?

Looking at their records since moving up which was 1996 I see a 6-5 record in 96, 9-3 in 98, 7-4 in 99, and then 8-5 in '09 so my bad there, I forgot about the earlier seasons in the 90s.

Idaho is a dumpster fire of a team and I love it.

 

[Skookum-Jim]

[
- Just 1 winning season
- Was the laughing stock of the FCS

Baloney BS! They have had three winning seasons and a couple of top 25 appearances. Most of you have damn short attention spans. I am willing to bet that Idaho will not go back to the FCS. The WAC will survive, Idaho will go to another FBS Conference or they will drop football altogether. You guys act like we have a better football tradition than Idaho but the fact is they do. They are 55 wins against 27 losses against us. Everyone loves to pull that stat out against the cats as to why we are so much better than them but the same should apply to the rivalry against Idaho.

1. Idaho sucks

Now that we've established that:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_win-loss_records" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Idaho is not the worst, but they're definately a laughing stock, currently 110 of 124 and it appears that this ticker is including their entire history and not just their FBS stint. So HOW BAD have they been if a once 1-aa dominant school has moved up and with a proud program has managed to sink into the depths of the FBS mostly thanks to the last 15ish years?

Looking at their records since moving up which was 1996 I see a 6-5 record in 96, 9-3 in 98, 7-4 in 99, and then 8-5 in '09 so my bad there, I forgot about the earlier seasons in the 90s.

Idaho is a dumpster fire of a team and I love it.

Well, that's your opinion and we've established that you will post BS to prove your point.

 

[tourist]

... they're tired of being out-of-their-league roadkill...

Seventeen years and still road kill. Of course, if the Griz moved up to BCS, instant success, making Boise State pale by comparison. Right?

 

[EverettGriz]

... they're tired of being out-of-their-league roadkill...

Seventeen years and still road kill. Of course, if the Griz moved up to BCS, instant success, making Boise State pale by comparison. Right?

Isn't this just the opposite of kemajic's post? If we're going to call that one crap, we have to call this one crap as well. You can't compare the two scenarios.

 

[BWahlberg]

Well, that's your opinion and we've established that you will post BS to prove your point.

BS huh?

Ok tell me where I posted BS, you were right on the winning records, I double checked and confirmed.

- Is Idaho not the laughing stock of the FBS?
- Does Idaho not have the smallest stadium in the FBS?
- Does Idaho consistantley beat out Wazzu for recruits?
- Would you classify Idaho as more successful in the last 15 years than Montana?

And finally, while not suggested before, would Idaho not be more successful if they were back in the FCS? I think they would... hmm... well in that case I don't want them here, I love seeing Idaho tallying up those 2-10 seasons, lol.

:thumb:

 

[Skookum-Jim]

Well, that's your opinion and we've established that you will post BS to prove your point.

BS huh?

Ok tell me where I posted BS, you were right on the winning records, I double checked and confirmed.

- Is Idaho not the laughing stock of the FBS?
- Does Idaho not have the smallest stadium in the FBS?
- Does Idaho consistantley beat out Wazzu for recruits?
- Would you classify Idaho as more successful in the last 15 years than Montana?

And finally, while not suggested before, would Idaho not be more successful if they were back in the FCS? I think they would... hmm... well in that case I don't want them here, I love seeing Idaho tallying up those 2-10 seasons, lol.

:thumb:

OK, you lied when you said they had one winning season. As far as the laughing stock goes, they have stepped on the field and competed with Div I college football teams with some success and you call them a laughing stock. The laughing stock is the pudgy real estate peddler that hasn't put on a jock since junior high PE class that critiques college athletes about who is a laughing stock.

 

[BWahlberg]

Well, that's your opinion and we've established that you will post BS to prove your point.

BS huh?

Ok tell me where I posted BS, you were right on the winning records, I double checked and confirmed.

- Is Idaho not the laughing stock of the FBS?
- Does Idaho not have the smallest stadium in the FBS?
- Does Idaho consistantley beat out Wazzu for recruits?
- Would you classify Idaho as more successful in the last 15 years than Montana?

And finally, while not suggested before, would Idaho not be more successful if they were back in the FCS? I think they would... hmm... well in that case I don't want them here, I love seeing Idaho tallying up those 2-10 seasons, lol.

:thumb:

OK, you lied when you said they had one winning season. As far as the laughing stock goes, they have stepped on the field and competed with Div I college football teams with some success and you call them a laughing stock. The laughing stock is the pudgy real estate peddler that hasn't put on a jock since junior high PE class that critiques college athletes about who is a laughing stock.

I LIED huh? Alright if thats what you say, I said the wrong thing but I just didn't think back and then when you pointed it out I agreed with you and even looked it up.

I do enjoy that you don't really answer my questions but do decide to call me names instead. I suppose that's par for the course on this board anymore.

Oh and the laughingstock part? Its not just me, google searching shows Idaho over the last decade especially has continually been featured as one of the worst teams in FBS - outside of their one "good" season with a bowl birth and win.

 

[BWahlberg]

Well, that's your opinion and we've established that you will post BS to prove your point.

BS huh?

Ok tell me where I posted BS, you were right on the winning records, I double checked and confirmed.

- Is Idaho not the laughing stock of the FBS?
- Does Idaho not have the smallest stadium in the FBS?
- Does Idaho consistantley beat out Wazzu for recruits?
- Would you classify Idaho as more successful in the last 15 years than Montana?

And finally, while not suggested before, would Idaho not be more successful if they were back in the FCS? I think they would... hmm... well in that case I don't want them here, I love seeing Idaho tallying up those 2-10 seasons, lol.

:thumb:

OK, you lied when you said they had one winning season. As far as the laughing stock goes, they have stepped on the field and competed with Div I college football teams with some success and you call them a laughing stock. The laughing stock is the pudgy real estate peddler that hasn't put on a jock since junior high PE class that critiques college athletes about who is a laughing stock.

BTW - I don't think Idaho's fault is that of their athletes, it's their program leadership and Ath Dept. They so depserately needed to be just like Boise they jumped up and now are paying the price for it. They still do not have the facilities to compete for prized athletes at the FBS level... heck let alone the upper echelon of the FCS level also. They have a crappy old dome they play in, and they have another FBS team just down the road that despite being just as crappy in the recent years (but with a more storied top-level tradition) gets the lionshare of regional support and the better recruits.

Hence: dumpster fire

 

[Skookum-Jim]

Well, that's your opinion and we've established that you will post BS to prove your point.

BS huh?

Ok tell me where I posted BS, you were right on the winning records, I double checked and confirmed.

- Is Idaho not the laughing stock of the FBS?
- Does Idaho not have the smallest stadium in the FBS?
- Does Idaho consistantley beat out Wazzu for recruits?
- Would you classify Idaho as more successful in the last 15 years than Montana?

And finally, while not suggested before, would Idaho not be more successful if they were back in the FCS? I think they would... hmm... well in that case I don't want them here, I love seeing Idaho tallying up those 2-10 seasons, lol.

:thumb:

OK, you lied when you said they had one winning season. As far as the laughing stock goes, they have stepped on the field and competed with Div I college football teams with some success and you call them a laughing stock. The laughing stock is the pudgy real estate peddler that hasn't put on a jock since junior high PE class that critiques college athletes about who is a laughing stock.

BTW - I don't think Idaho's fault is that of their athletes, it's their program leadership and Ath Dept. They so depserately needed to be just like Boise they jumped up and now are paying the price for it. They still do not have the facilities to compete for prized athletes at the FBS level... heck let alone the upper echelon of the FCS level also. They have a crappy old dome they play in, and they have another FBS team just down the road that despite being just as crappy in the recent years (but with a more storied top-level tradition) gets the lionshare of regional support and the better recruits.

Hence: dumpster fire

Good Post!
Peace!

 

[tourist]

... they're tired of being out-of-their-league roadkill...

Seventeen years and still road kill. Of course, if the Griz moved up to BCS, instant success, making Boise State pale by comparison. Right?

Isn't this just the opposite of kemajic's post? If we're going to call that one crap, we have to call this one crap as well. You can't compare the two scenarios.

OK, where do you visualize the Griz if they moved to BCS, not just the MWC? Your opinion?

 

[DuCharme]

Put yourself in their shoes; how many Montana fans would embrace a move to D2?

imo, it'd be more on par with a move to non-schollie FCS for UM...

which is just a pig with more lipstick than your pig

 

[EverettGriz]

... they're tired of being out-of-their-league roadkill...

Seventeen years and still road kill. Of course, if the Griz moved up to BCS, instant success, making Boise State pale by comparison. Right?

Isn't this just the opposite of kemajic's post? If we're going to call that one crap, we have to call this one crap as well. You can't compare the two scenarios.

OK, where do you visualize the Griz if they moved to BCS, not just the MWC? Your opinion?

Difficult to say. And note that my post wasn't necessarily intended to disagree with you, but rather to be consistent you can't have it both ways.

That said, I'd say that the Griz could be rather successful at the FBS level within 5-7 years. A Boise? No, but certainly a UConn or similar.

 

[mtgrizrule]

It is really hard to rationally argue on Idaho's side, in the realm of what is college football these days. If they were as wanted, or good, as some want to believe, why are they not being accepted, or taken in by any conferences?

Not to be a jerk, but I think Bwahlberg,is a little closer to the Idaho football reality here.

 

[Grizmayor]

... they're tired of being out-of-their-league roadkill...

Seventeen years and still road kill. Of course, if the Griz moved up to BCS, instant success, making Boise State pale by comparison. Right?

Isn't this just the opposite of kemajic's post? If we're going to call that one crap, we have to call this one crap as well. You can't compare the two scenarios.

I think most of EGriz-nation knows I'm a Stay-Putter in the FCS. I don't think we have the financial or corporate support base in Missoula and the surrounding area to become a "Boise St.". The Boise area also enjoy a greater population base with better incomes. I can't see the BOR okaying huge six-figure salaries for head coaches and administrators either. Lastly, I think we'd be playing for nothing except invites to bowl games that are largely put together to suck the $$$ out of the schools who attend while supplying a $9.99 Trophy for their efforts. I've said I'd be okay with a move up if there were a "Mid-Major Playoff System", cuz honestly, we would likely never be anything more than a bodybag game for the big conferences, and a contender in a low-level conference like the WAC was. Check Idaho for proof.

 

[bingo]

Idaho starting talking preliminarily with the Big Sky by about early fall 2010. I reported that several times at the time. Looks like Idaho is running out of options, but still hoping something will fall from the sky.

They are thinking of moving retroactively ??


Or are you just making this up like you usually do?

 

[IdaGriz01]

It is really hard to rationally argue on Idaho's side, in the realm of what is college football these days. If they were as wanted, or good, as some want to believe, why are they not being accepted, or taken in by any conferences?

Not to be a jerk, but I think Bwahlberg, is a little closer to the Idaho football reality here.

Even Idaho admits it -- remember this quote:

"I wish I would have had the opportunity to meet face-to-face with Commissioner (Craig) Thompson and do a formal presentation," [UI AD] Spear said. ... Spear said the market size of Moscow and surrounding areas was the biggest factor in being bypassed by the Mountain West.

One has to question whether a bigger, fancier stadium would make any difference. Just looking at the populations (all Wikipedia numbers) of the smaller cities in the old, or new MWC we get:
BSU - Boise Metro = 616,000. And still growing at a near-record pace. (Of course, they're leaving anyway.)
U. Wyoming – Laramie Metro = 57,298, with Cheyenne Metro (91,738) not that far away.
UNM - Albuquerque Metro = 887,077
USU - Logan = 49,534 in Cache County = 112,656
UI - Moscow - 23,800 in Latah County = 37,244 (Pullman = 29,799). Uuh ... not growing.

Just for comparison:
UM - Missoula Metro = 109,299

 

[mtgrizrule]

It is really hard to rationally argue on Idaho's side, in the realm of what is college football these days. If they were as wanted, or good, as some want to believe, why are they not being accepted, or taken in by any conferences?

Not to be a jerk, but I think Bwahlberg, is a little closer to the Idaho football reality here.

Even Idaho admits it -- remember this quote:

"I wish I would have had the opportunity to meet face-to-face with Commissioner (Craig) Thompson and do a formal presentation," [UI AD] Spear said. ... Spear said the market size of Moscow and surrounding areas was the biggest factor in being bypassed by the Mountain West.

One has to question whether a bigger, fancier stadium would make any difference. Just looking at the populations (all Wikipedia numbers) of the smaller cities in the old, or new MWC we get:
BSU - Boise Metro = 616,000. And still growing at a near-record pace. (Of course, they're leaving anyway.)
U. Wyoming – Laramie Metro = 57,298, with Cheyenne Metro (91,738) not that far away.
UNM - Albuquerque Metro = 887,077
USU - Logan = 49,534 in Cache County = 112,656
UI - Moscow - 23,800 in Latah County = 37,244 (Pullman = 29,799). Uuh ... not growing.

Just for comparison:
UM - Missoula Metro = 109,299

That makes Montana even look better, and not having to share the fanbase much either. :thumb:

 

[MrTitleist]

Idaho starting talking preliminarily with the Big Sky by about early fall 2010. I reported that several times at the time. Looks like Idaho is running out of options, but still hoping something will fall from the sky.

They are thinking of moving retroactively ??


Or are you just making this up like you usually do?

Idaho was talking to the BSC before now..

 

[BWahlberg]

Idaho starting talking preliminarily with the Big Sky by about early fall 2010. I reported that several times at the time. Looks like Idaho is running out of options, but still hoping something will fall from the sky.

They are thinking of moving retroactively ??


Or are you just making this up like you usually do?

No it's true. When the "Montana to the WAC" discussions started so did potential word/rumor of Idaho looking at the Big Sky.