Hurry-Up Offense Will Gas Our O-Line

[Atlanta Griz1]

Some people always have to stir the pot...................

Yes, we all know that message boards should never be used to intelligently discuss anything.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Why do defenses get more tired than an offense when the same number pf plays are ran?

One of the Mysteries of Madden............ :roll:

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

If we are running 90-100 plays, yes the O Line will be pretty tired, but guess what, so will the D-Line and absolutely more so. The O-Line doesn't have to try and chase down somebody every play and make a tackle.

Ahhhh, but what if the opposing team has depth at the D-line position, and can rotate players in to keep them fresh. Then who loses?????? An offense which prides itself on trying to run 100 plays per game is not the offense to have zero depth on the O-line, that's a given.

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

Why do defenses get more tired than an offense when the same number pf plays are ran?

One of the Mysteries of Madden............ :roll:

Theoretically, there should be no difference in how tired one line gets over the other. But my point is that many teams have the depth at D-line to keep them fresh. We don't have that luxury on the offensive side. Under a Delaney style offense, which runs much fewer plays, you can possibly keep the O-line fresher. Now, I HATED Mick's offense, and like Stitt's offense. I'm just making an observation concerning how it is gonna be impossible to keep our thin O-line from getting gassed by early in the second half.

 

[blackfootipa]

If we are running 90-100 plays, yes the O Line will be pretty tired, but guess what, so will the D-Line and absolutely more so. The O-Line doesn't have to try and chase down somebody every play and make a tackle.

Ahhhh, but what if the opposing team has depth at the D-line position, and can rotate players in to keep them fresh. Then who loses?????? An offense which prides itself on trying to run 100 plays per game is not the offense to have zero depth on the O-line, that's a given.

Show me a Big Sky team with that kind of depth on D-Line. I will love any of them to rotate in their second stringers. Remember, ideally, they will be having a difficult time subbing players during drives. If they do get someone in, it's hard to know wtf your supposed to do. We aren't going against Ohio State here, that depth doesn't exist.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Its not hard to sub when the offense goes 3 and out......

 

[blackfootipa]

Its not hard to sub when the offense goes 3 and out......

Then we won't have to worry about exhausting our o-lineman will we?

 

[BWahlberg]

Oh noes, our o line will get tired.

Good thing we haven't had a conditioning coach working with the whole o line (and team) to prepare for it! Oh wait... We have.

Well then consider we have no depth anywhere on the o line and they get no reps. Oh... Right, 2 to 3 backups have been in an out of the first string line and have played 75-85 plays in two scrimmages in 5 days and have only shown daily improvement.

It's just a bummer we don't have a coach who can bring these men along... Whoops, forgot, we've got a great o line coach in Germer.

And it's not like Stitt has ever run a hurry up and is able to mitigate the fact that the OL may get tired... I mean if you take out the last decade or so that he has already.

Smdh, hahaha

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Oh noes, our o line will get tired.

Good thing we haven't had a conditioning coach working with the whole o line (and team) to prepare for it! Oh wait... We have.

Well then consider we have no depth anywhere on the o line and they get no reps. Oh... Right, 2 to 3 backups have been in an out of the first string line and have played 75-85 plays in two scrimmages in 5 days and have only shown daily improvement.

It's just a bummer we don't have a coach who can bring these men along... Whoops, forgot, we've got a great o line coach in Germer.

And it's not like Stitt has ever run a hurry up and is able to mitigate the fact that the OL may get tired... I mean if you take out the last decade or so that he has already.

Smdh, hahaha

:lol: If Dill says it, it's very unlikely to be true. Dude has been wrong more than anyone else in recent memory.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Thank god the Griz are the only team in america with a conditioning coach. Ahh to be king of the hill

 

[AZGrizFan]

Yet somehow, last season when this exact same offensive line was a year younger, smaller and less experienced they in fact DID block for a 1000 yard rusher.

But this ship be sinkin' !!!!!

Come on AZFrizFan, even you couldn't be that ignorant to try to compare last year's single-wing 1950s offense to the Stitt aerial circus?

What's that got to do with it? LAST year's O-line had a 1,000 yard rusher. THIS year's O-line--which is older, stronger, and more experienced--will have 20-25 more plays PER GAME (so, roughly 250 MORE plays in a season, or approximately 100 additional rushing plays (in a 60/40 playcalling split)) to get a 1,000 yard rusher.

In fact, the ONLY way I think we DON'T have a 1,000 yard rusher is if our primary back gets hurt halfway through the season and we end up with TWO rushers with 750+ yards.

 

[IdaGriz01]

... Ahhhh, but what if the opposing team has depth at the D-line position, and can rotate players in to keep them fresh. Then who loses?????? An offense which prides itself on trying to run 100 plays per game is not the offense to have zero depth on the O-line, that's a given.

Show me a Big Sky team with that kind of depth on D-Line. I will love any of them to rotate in their second stringers. Remember, ideally, they will be having a difficult time subbing players during drives. If they do get someone in, it's hard to know wtf your supposed to do. We aren't going against Ohio State here, that depth doesn't exist.

Couple things to look at here.

It is almost certainly true that the Big Sky (generally weak on defense, at least in past years) has few teams that can rotate in #2's that are not a drop-off in quality. Another way of saying that is ... the Griz are (again) designed to be competitive in the BSC.

But in the play-offs, the teams do have that kind of depth, or they wouldn't be there. (Of course, we might get to feast on the Pioneer Football League auto-bid, but that would be too much to hope for two years in a row. ) The good news on that score is that maybe, just maybe, the regular season will give Stitt and the staff a chance to develop some depth on the OL.

 

[AZGrizFan]

If we are running 90-100 plays, yes the O Line will be pretty tired, but guess what, so will the D-Line and absolutely more so. The O-Line doesn't have to try and chase down somebody every play and make a tackle.

Ahhhh, but what if the opposing team has depth at the D-line position, and can rotate players in to keep them fresh. Then who loses?????? An offense which prides itself on trying to run 100 plays per game is not the offense to have zero depth on the O-line, that's a given.

You do understand that one of the key tenets of the hurry up offense (as in, a play every 12-15 SECONDS) is to prevent the ability of the opposing team to substitute/rotate in players?

 

[BWahlberg]

If we are running 90-100 plays, yes the O Line will be pretty tired, but guess what, so will the D-Line and absolutely more so. The O-Line doesn't have to try and chase down somebody every play and make a tackle.

Ahhhh, but what if the opposing team has depth at the D-line position, and can rotate players in to keep them fresh. Then who loses?????? An offense which prides itself on trying to run 100 plays per game is not the offense to have zero depth on the O-line, that's a given.

You do understand that one of the key tenets of the hurry up offense (as in, a play every 12-15 SECONDS) is to prevent the ability of the opposing team to substitute/rotate in players?

Details mean nothing to 'ol Growly

 

[TCCGRIZ]

If we are running 90-100 plays, yes the O Line will be pretty tired, but guess what, so will the D-Line and absolutely more so. The O-Line doesn't have to try and chase down somebody every play and make a tackle.

Ahhhh, but what if the opposing team has depth at the D-line position, and can rotate players in to keep them fresh. Then who loses?????? An offense which prides itself on trying to run 100 plays per game is not the offense to have zero depth on the O-line, that's a given.

You do understand that one of the key tenets of the hurry up offense (as in, a play every 12-15 SECONDS) is to prevent the ability of the opposing team to substitute/rotate in players?

Common sense is not allowed on this board AZ :shock:

 

[AZGrizFan]

If we are running 90-100 plays, yes the O Line will be pretty tired, but guess what, so will the D-Line and absolutely more so. The O-Line doesn't have to try and chase down somebody every play and make a tackle.

Ahhhh, but what if the opposing team has depth at the D-line position, and can rotate players in to keep them fresh. Then who loses?????? An offense which prides itself on trying to run 100 plays per game is not the offense to have zero depth on the O-line, that's a given.

You do understand that one of the key tenets of the hurry up offense (as in, a play every 12-15 SECONDS) is to prevent the ability of the opposing team to substitute/rotate in players?

Common sense is not allowed on this board AZ :shock:

I just think it's odd that someone SOOOOO badly wants/needs to be the contrarian that he completely forgets about major aspects of the offensive philosophy...

 

[Griz90]

I posed this issue to Coach Stitt during a round of golf and his answer was very informative as to his philosophy. For starters the o-line does not have to chase down a ball carrier - wether it be run or pass -while the d-line does. An o-lineman has to lay down his block and hustle to the next line of scrimmage. A D-lineman has to chase the play till the whistle blows. The o-line coach is tasked with watching his line closely during the game and when they appear to be getting tired he passes that info on to Stitt who said he then will call one of his more than 20 versions of the wide receiver screen. When the wide receiver screen is called the o-line has to hold its block for about two seconds while the d-line has to sprint to the sideline and chase the play..and sprint back to the new line of scrimmage because of the speed of which the next play is called. Stitt expects to have the offense lined up 17-20 seconds after the whistle is blown on the previous play. Basically when a wide receiver screen is called the d-line has to run two 20yd sprints and then be lined up for the next play. Stitt said he will often call the screen to the wide side of the field to make the D run even farther. Part of the reason he goes for it on fourth down is to "mind f&@k" the defense. He loves the look on the defenders' faces when they get all jacked up after stopping the offense on third down and then realize they have to defend a fourth down. Even better, he says, is when a defensive coordinate wants to change personnel on a third down play and the defensive players refuse to do,it because thy are too tired to run to the sideline. He told me he sees that a lot. Coach Stitt has been running this offense a long time and is definitely conscious of its impact on his linemen. They will be well conditioned and ready to run an uptempo offense and execute 90+ plays a game.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I posed this issue to Coach Stitt during a round of golf and his answer was very informative as to his philosophy. For starters the o-line does not have to chase down a ball carrier - wether it be run or pass -while the d-line does. An o-lineman has to lay down his block and hustle to the next line of scrimmage. A D-lineman has to chase the play till the whistle blows. The o-line coach is tasked with watching his line closely during the game and when they appear to be getting tired he passes that info on to Stitt who said he then will call one of his more than 20 versions of the wide receiver screen. When the wide receiver screen is called the o-line has to hold its block for about two seconds while the d-line has to sprint to the sideline and chase the play..and sprint back to the new line of scrimmage because of the speed of which the next play is called. Stitt expects to have the offense lined up 17-20 seconds after the whistle is blown on the previous play. Basically when a wide receiver screen is called the d-line has to run two 20yd sprints and then be lined up for the next play. Stitt said he will often call the screen to the wide side of the field to make the D run even farther. Part of the reason he goes for it on fourth down is to "mind f&@k" the defense. He loves the look on the defenders' faces when they get all jacked up after stopping the offense on third down and then realize they have to defend a fourth down. Even better, he says, is when a defensive coordinate wants to change personnel on a third down play and the defensive players refuse to do,it because thy are too tired to run to the sideline. He told me he sees that a lot. Coach Stitt has been running this offense a long time and is definitely conscious of its impact on his linemen. They will be well conditioned and ready to run an uptempo offense and execute 90+ plays a game.

Great post. :clap: :clap:

 

[grizindabox]

ATL, It is obvious that you have never played oline in a hurry up offense....

 

[EverettGriz]

90, c'mon. Both AG1s disagree, and well, we all know they know more about football than Coach Stitt. Just ask 'em.