How would you rate this class?

[PlayerRep]

420, I agree with you. It astonishes me how some people either don't know about, or don't understand exactly what the Griz just went through with the NCAA. They also don't understand how scholarships work in the first place. I seriously believe posters like Alaska think the Griz can give as much money and sign anybody they want. That it's like pro baseball or something.

I'm completely opposite of what Alaska and others are saying. Given the reduction, and given that the Griz didn't land five of their Top 10 on their big board, it looks to me like Green didn't just do the best he could, it looks like he did a GREAT job.

Just to supplement. A reduced number of scholarships shouldn't impact the quality or number of signees at the top end. Reduced numbers would impact the total number of signees and depth--and this has the potential to impact depth as well as quality down the road. UM's past publicized issues, including the ncaa and sexual assault stuff, could have had some impact on recruiting, or a few recruits. Most of the remaining glow from those problems should be largely in the rear view mirror by now.

UM appears to have done a great job with walk-ons, especially from out of state. UM is still talking to a bunch of other potential walk-ons, including ones who didn't submit their application paperwork (so that they could be announced). UM always holds back some schollies for signing dropdowns or transfers after spring ball/semester. There will be a few more recruits in this class.

My impression is that the State didn't have a large number of top level football recruits this year.

The fact that UM offered up these scholarship reductions, for relatively minor offenses, and didn't bother to fight some of the offenses harder, continues to irk me.

 

[grizcountry420]

My impression is that the State didn't have a large number of top level football recruits this year.

I dont want to get into a dick measuring contest with you but i read somewhere that there were a 100 kids from the state of Montana that signed to play football somewhere. I think thats a pretty good number.. I know that some of them might not be top level recruits but out of a 100 you would think that there would be a fair share of top level recruits coming out of Montana. What do you think?

 

[GrizPony]

I talked to a Griz coach last night and he said the lack of schollys impacted how many top recruits they could offer, because if they all accept and they had offered more schollys than they had, they would be screwed. He said it really hurts, but that they have a couple in their pockets still to be announced. I think they did a great job with the reduced scholarships. Engstrom's self-immolation continues on so many levels it is disgusting. The walk-ons from out of state are amazing given their costs of coming here.

 

[PlayerRep]

My impression is that the State didn't have a large number of top level football recruits this year.

I dont want to get into a dick measuring contest with you but i read somewhere that there were a 100 kids from the state of Montana that signed to play football somewhere. I think thats a pretty good number.. I know that some of them might not be top level recruits but out of a 100 you would think that there would be a fair share of top level recruits coming out of Montana. What do you think?

My information is good. Weyer, Dissly, Collins were the main ones.

Most of the Bozeman Hawk team went to the Frontier conference, mostly to Tech and at least one to Western.

 

[PlayerRep]

I talked to a Griz coach last night and he said the lack of schollys impacted how many top recruits they could offer, because if they all accept and they had offered more schollys than they had, they would be screwed. He said it really hurts, but that they have a couple in their pockets still to be announced. I think they did a great job with the reduced scholarships. Engstrom's self-immolation continues on so many levels it is disgusting. The walk-ons from out of state are amazing given their costs of coming here.

Interesting. I heard coaches several weeks ago say that the lack of schollies impacted mainly MT kids, for whom they could have divided schollies and given them some money.

 

[kemajic]

My impression is that the State didn't have a large number of top level football recruits this year.

I dont want to get into a dick measuring contest with you but i read somewhere that there were a 100 kids from the state of Montana that signed to play football somewhere. I think thats a pretty good number.. I know that some of them might not be top level recruits but out of a 100 you would think that there would be a fair share of top level recruits coming out of Montana. What do you think?

1 to FBS; 21 to FCS (all UM/MSU); 78 to NAIA. Pretty normal unless the latter really fills your sails. A very high percentage of the total are walk-ons.

http://www.egriz.com/grizboard/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=65781&p=952524&hilit=gazette#p952524" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[grizcountry420]

My impression is that the State didn't have a large number of top level football recruits this year.

I dont want to get into a dick measuring contest with you but i read somewhere that there were a 100 kids from the state of Montana that signed to play football somewhere. I think thats a pretty good number.. I know that some of them might not be top level recruits but out of a 100 you would think that there would be a fair share of top level recruits coming out of Montana. What do you think?

1 to FBS; 21 to FCS (all UM/MSU); 78 to NAIA. Pretty normal unless the latter really fills your sails. A very high percentage of the total are walk-ons.

http://www.egriz.com/grizboard/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=65781&p=952524&hilit=gazette#p952524" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yeah, i figured at least 20 went either FBS or FCS..

 

[PlayerRep]

My impression is that the State didn't have a large number of top level football recruits this year.

I dont want to get into a dick measuring contest with you but i read somewhere that there were a 100 kids from the state of Montana that signed to play football somewhere. I think thats a pretty good number.. I know that some of them might not be top level recruits but out of a 100 you would think that there would be a fair share of top level recruits coming out of Montana. What do you think?

1 to FBS; 21 to FCS (all UM/MSU); 78 to NAIA. Pretty normal unless the latter really fills your sails. A very high percentage of the total are walk-ons.

http://www.egriz.com/grizboard/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=65781&p=952524&hilit=gazette#p952524" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yeah, i figured at least 20 went either FBS or FCS..

It looks like only about 5 MT kids on the Gazette list of UM commits, got scholarship money.

 

[AlaskaGriz]

One guy that that looks really good of the walk on's Kyle Davis, this kid gets after it. I'm sure there is other guys too but this beast can move.

 

[WyomingGrizFan]

One guy that that looks really good of the walk on's Kyle Davis, this kid gets after it. I'm sure there is other guys too but this beast can move.

I also like the fact that he's a two-time letter-winner in wrestling; a one time all-conference wrestler. Kroy Biermann was an accomplished wrestler at Hardin High School, if not mistaken. Defensive lineman seem to have added techniques to their assault when they have a wrestling background. Seems to have some smarts as well; planning to become a physician. Wish him luck.

 

[Ursa Major]

One guy that that looks really good of the walk on's Kyle Davis, this kid gets after it. I'm sure there is other guys too but this beast can move.

I also like the fact that he's a two-time letter-winner in wrestling; a one time all-conference wrestler. Kroy Biermann was an accomplished wrestler at Hardin High School, if not mistaken. Defensive lineman seem to have added techniques to their assault when they have a wrestling background. Seems to have some smarts as well; planning to become a physician. Wish him luck.

I agree. Balance and agility...huge advantages.

 

[Spanky]

Considering the overall negative press created by Engstrom and the loss of scholarships, Mick and staff did a great job recruiting.

 

[NewPapaBear]

I just dont see this class measuring up to the last two or three. So if you gave this recruiting class a grade B or higher...you better have dropped some A/A+ grades on the last two. Make no mistakes our recruiting GPA dropped this year.

Stop using the scholarship reduction as a crutch. Time to do more with less.
No excuses, as Lombardi said"...excuses are for losers." I think BPSC is pretty spot on.
Unless I am mistaken we did not sign a single 2 star or better recruit.

Honestly, I am not one to buy into the whole rating thing but it does provide subjectivity.
One last thing: As a parent, I would not let my kid walk away from scholarship money &BTW there is no such thing as an NAIA "scholarship" offer.
C+

 

[George Ferguson]

PAPA, i'm curious what you mean by there is no such thing as an NAIA scholarship offer? I have been covering Frontier football for over 10 years now and i know for a fact many NAIA kids receive ATHLETIC scholarships, and i know for a fact the state funds several athletic wavers for each school, Northern, Tech and Western. None of them have many in the budget and all raise signifigant amounts privately in order to offer more, but i can ASSURE you,kids are offered scholarships to play at the NAIA level.

 

[NewPapaBear]

PAPA, i'm curious what you mean by there is no such thing as an NAIA scholarship offer? I have been covering Frontier football for over 10 years now and i know for a fact many NAIA kids receive ATHLETIC scholarships, and i know for a fact the state funds several athletic wavers for each school, Northern, Tech and Western. None of them have many in the budget and all raise signifigant amounts privately in order to offer more, but i can ASSURE you,kids are offered scholarships to play at the NAIA level.

Not in the same defined aspects as NCAA. Each school determines how much financial aid it awards to an individual student-athlete. Academic scholarships, grants-in-aid or student loans are controlled by each school through the same committee that handles all student loans and academic scholarships.

Financial aid to the student-athletes limited to the actual cost of:
Tuition

Mandatory fees, books and supplies required for courses in which the student-athlete is enrolled

Room and board for the student-athlete only, based on official room and board allowance listed in the institution’s catalog Financial aid can be awarded in full or partial grants.

Each sport has a limit on the aid awarded to varsity athletes. The combination of full or partial awards to all student-athletes is limited in each sport.

Academically gifted students can be exempted from these limits if they meet grade or test score criteria established by the NAIA. Limits on the total amount of aid that can be given to varsity athletes in each sport.

NPB

 

[George Ferguson]

one way or another, they are still OFFERED scholarships.

 

[PlayerRep]

one way or another, they are still OFFERED scholarships.

Of course, NAIA has athletic scholarships. NewPapa essentially lifted information from the below website, but neglected to mention what was said just above the info he lifted.

"NAIA institutions offer more than $450 million in athletic scholarships"

Note sure why NewPapa thinks the NAIA's basic framework is so different than the ncaa's. They appear to have considerable similarity.

http://www.naia.org/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=205322931" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Why do some of these jokers insist on putting out some much incorrect information, and then continuing to argue over it?

 

[NewPapaBear]

Again the "scholarship" money is actually finanacial aid itd or communicated as a scholarship. Finanacial Aid at the NAIA level is positioned as "scholarship" money. I know this to be true as I have two athletes that went through the recruiting process within the past 3-5 years.

Recruiters will tell you that "our scholarships are in the form of financial aid" but at the end of the day its semantics & marketing. Read the info on the site that I pulled the information from. It clearly states that the scholarships are in the form of financial aid & that few if any full rides are offered.

Scholarships are a great financial aid option for students who qualify. Many scholarships are provided by organizations and corporations, each with their own qualifying factors. Scholarship qualifications may include merit, financial need, ethnicity, military service, or major.

Read this to get more low down on NCAA v NAIA scholarships
http://exactsports.com/blog/ncaa-and-naia-scholarships-know-the-difference/2011/02/05/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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