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How to address the rotating schedule mess?
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Grizbeer
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2506 I believe you are having a hard time understanding the proposal, there is no conflict with the playoffs under this proposal, and it does not reduce the number of non-conference games to be played.
1) SWAC teams can compete in the NCAA tournament. However the 2 teams that compete in the SWAC championship game cannot because they play their championship game the same weekend as the tournament, and it is an additional game eon the schedule. Any other SWAC team is eligible to participate in the playoffs if they are strong enough to qualify for an at large. There is no rule that if you have a Conference championship game you cannot play in the NCAA tournament.
2) Currently BSC teams are scheduled to play 8 conference games in a a season. Under the proposal GrizMusician and SloStang are offering, BSC teams will still play 7 BSC games in a season. And the season will still end the weekend before the playoffs start. The only difference is teams will not know who they will play until the last weekend of the season, and the last game will determine the conference autobid. there is no conflict with the playoffs.
3) teams will still only be playing 7 BSC games (6 against teams in their division, 1 championship weekend game against the other division), so they will still have 4 non conference games to schedule.
Hope this clarifies things for you.
1) SWAC teams can compete in the NCAA tournament. However the 2 teams that compete in the SWAC championship game cannot because they play their championship game the same weekend as the tournament, and it is an additional game eon the schedule. Any other SWAC team is eligible to participate in the playoffs if they are strong enough to qualify for an at large. There is no rule that if you have a Conference championship game you cannot play in the NCAA tournament.
2) Currently BSC teams are scheduled to play 8 conference games in a a season. Under the proposal GrizMusician and SloStang are offering, BSC teams will still play 7 BSC games in a season. And the season will still end the weekend before the playoffs start. The only difference is teams will not know who they will play until the last weekend of the season, and the last game will determine the conference autobid. there is no conflict with the playoffs.
3) teams will still only be playing 7 BSC games (6 against teams in their division, 1 championship weekend game against the other division), so they will still have 4 non conference games to schedule.
Hope this clarifies things for you.
SloStang
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I actually proposed playing 2 OOC games, then 8 conference games (6 against teams in your division and 2 against teams from the other division) and leaving the last weekend open. The winners from the two divisions would then play for the championship that last weekend. The remaining six teams from one division would the play a game against the remaining six teams from the other division in a bracket buster type of game for their 3rd OOC game. They could rotate which division host the final game so teams would know ahead of time if they are traveling or hosting the last game.Grizbeer said:
GrizMusician
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SloStang said:
This sums up pretty much what I was thinking.
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GrizMusician
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Cats2506 said:
You're the one who can't wrap your head around a concept that actually makes a lot of sense.
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Proposed 10 game schedule (2 OOC).....dumb
Proposed Conference Championship game.....pointless
Need for Big Sky to add a team based on current numbers.....great
Proposed Conference Championship game.....pointless
Need for Big Sky to add a team based on current numbers.....great
KoolMoeDee
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Every time this comes up the Big Sky answers the same way. If you can get all the coaches and AD's to give up their bye week. They might be able to have a championship game. It's not against any NCAA rule.It is about scheduling conflicts with the playoffs.
GrizMusician
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kemajic said:
No... we are proposing 7 division conference games, one conference championship, & all other games can be scheduled as the school pleases.
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The rotating schedule was settled a year ago. Each team has two "rival" opponents it plays every year. The rest of the teams are played on a rotational basis. You can play more Big Sky teams than are on your official conference schedule, but those games do not count toward your conference record when it comes to deciding who gets the (still only one) automatic bid. If there are two teams with the same record who haven't played each other, the conference will decide who gets the bid. Fullerton in explaining how the bid might be awarded suggested that maybe if one of teams hasn't been to the playoffs, while the other one has participated, the autobid will be awarded to the one that hasn't gone before.
The lesson is not to count on securing the autobid if there's a tie with a team you haven't played. You're going to need more than a tie for best conference record. Cupcake games are no going to cost you. Strength of schedule is going to be crucial.
The lesson is not to count on securing the autobid if there's a tie with a team you haven't played. You're going to need more than a tie for best conference record. Cupcake games are no going to cost you. Strength of schedule is going to be crucial.
Zootown Rox
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The rotating 13 team schedule is super awkward and hopefully we can get a 14th team to even things out. However, I don't think a conference championship is desired or necessary at this level. The reason they do it at the BCS level is so conferences can make extra money and have a mini playoff. At our level the conference probably would lose money from the game unless UM or State hosted and we already have a playoff so the conference championship would just fatigue our players unnecessarily. As for winning the outright or tied championship I'm fine with how the conference does it now because if we have a tied championship all of those teams will get their shot in the playoffs and that's what really matters.
SloStang
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That is what you are proposing. I just threw out the idea if they added a 14th team (Idaho), they could split into two divisions. Each team would schedule 2 OOC games and 8 conference games (6 in your division and 2 against the teams from the other division) leaving the last week of the season open. The two division winners would play the last week of the season for the championship and the six remaining teams in each division could play the one of the other teams from the other division in a bracket buster type of game for their third OOC game. They could alternate each year which division will host so each team knows if he last game will be a home or an away game when they are making the schedule. Is it ideal? No. Am I proposing it? No. Just throwing it out their as an idea.GrizMusician said:
SloStang
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If they stay at 13 teams I think they should assign each team four regional rivals they play each year. That would leave eight other teams and they could play each of those teams every other year. It would help with teavel and in building rivalries.
Here is how it could look:
UM: PSU, EWU, MSU, UND
MSU: EWU, UM, UND, UNC
UND: UM, MSU, UNC, ISU
ISU: UND, UNC, WSU, SUU
WSU: UNC, ISU, SUU, NAU
SUU: ISU, WSU, NAU, CP
NAU: WSU, SUU, CP, UCD
CP: SUU, NAU, UCD, Sac St
UCD: NAU, CP, Sac St, PSU
Sac St: CP, UCD, PSU, EWU
PSU: UCD, Sac St, EWU, UM
EWU: Sac St, PSU, UM, MSU
Here is how it could look:
UM: PSU, EWU, MSU, UND
MSU: EWU, UM, UND, UNC
UND: UM, MSU, UNC, ISU
ISU: UND, UNC, WSU, SUU
WSU: UNC, ISU, SUU, NAU
SUU: ISU, WSU, NAU, CP
NAU: WSU, SUU, CP, UCD
CP: SUU, NAU, UCD, Sac St
UCD: NAU, CP, Sac St, PSU
Sac St: CP, UCD, PSU, EWU
PSU: UCD, Sac St, EWU, UM
EWU: Sac St, PSU, UM, MSU
AZGrizFan said:
UNC...always the last kid picked.
billings_poke
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AZGrizFan said:
talk about cutting you out of games in your prime recruiting grounds
billings_poke said:
That is a bit of an issue, but the vast majority of our kids come out of Oregon, Washington, Idaho and Montana. And I"m not saying never PLAY those other guys....just not have to be in a clusterfuck of a conference with them all without having a way of determining a true champion.
SDHornet
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I don’t think the conference championship idea would fly (unknown travel plans in mid-late November will be costly), but I like the idea of increasing the amount of “rivals” from 2 to 4. I’d prefer if our other 2 were PSU and NAU/SUU to keep it as close to “regional” as one could get in the new BSC footprint.SloStang said:
