How long till this Stitt show end?

[HelenaHandBasket]

At first I had hope Stitt would help build the griz back into a title contender but I've lost faith in his ability to do it. The team has been no better than it was under the pervious staff. The team seems to lack toughness and focus. They often play undicplined as well. It very hard to watch them knowing what griz football was in the past and what it should be now. I think it's time for Haslam hit the reset button and start over.

There once was a guy who went 6-4 in his first year - and then fell back to 6-5. Neither year did his team make the playoffs. By year 3 they had finally broken out to 8-4 but his team loss in the first round of the playoffs. Year 4 was much better as they finally broke the 10 win barrier going 11-3, but losing in the National Semifinals.

Then he backslid badly as his team posted two back to back 7-4 seasons, and then finally a dreadful 6-5 in his 7th year. Things seemed bad. EGriz would've called for his head long before those 7 years came to a conclusion - if it existed then.

In year 8 they bounced back to a 10-2 record but loss once again in the first round. Year 9 things took another step forward as the team went 11-3 and loss in the National Semifinal once again, it having been 5 years since they last got that far.

Then in year ten, 1995, that team went 11-2, and won the National Championship.

Who was that coach? Why Don Read of course. And its a damn good thing that posters like this OP didn't have a voice on a place like eGriz, and that people never listened to them. Because perhaps - just perhaps we would not have had that NC.

Montana was 9-22-1 the three years prior to Read's arrival and lost to MSU all three years. Read never lost to MSU. Montana was 24-14 the three years prior to Stitt's arrival with two playoff appearances. Not quite the same situations. At 13-8, Stitt's winning percentage is less than Delaney's. Minor details to avoid for your agenda.

Whose recruits did Delaney win with? Whose recruits is Stitt working with? Minor details.

 

[George Ferguson]

No coach has had to play catch-up at Montana like Stitt has had to do since Don read. It's odd that literally ONLY Griz fans think their team should be completely immune to a pretty severe NCAA probation, when just about every other college football program to ever be slapped with NCAA sanctions which include loss of scholarships, has struggled during that probation period. I've yet to see a single valid reason posted on this board as to why Montana shouldn't have been affected by the sanctions in the least bit. Why? Because there isn't one. That period of time hurt this program, just like those same types of NCAA situations hurt every single other college football program in some form another. Did programs like Alabama, Miami and Oklahoma recover eventually? Yup. Montana will recover from its darkest days too, but it is still a work in progress. PERIOD.

 

[Mousegriz]

EWU looked damn good. So did NAU the night Griz played them. Do people understand there are two teams competing in games...and players on the field not the coach? EWU will likely truly contend for the NC this year.

I'm hoping the Griz finish 8 - 3 with a shot at the playoffs and chance to do some damage if they get there. Wasn't expecting that much more from the Griz this season and neither were most preseason polls.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

You f***[*] morons calling for Stitts head after 19 games go look up Don Reads record before he was hired here. This shit show created by Delaney ain't getting fixed overnight, still short 4 scholarships. Jesus H. Motherfucking Christ the impatience of some "fans" is just laughable.


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This x1000000000

 

[ranco]

You f***[*] morons calling for Stitts head after 19 games go look up Don Reads record before he was hired here. This shit show created by Delaney ain't getting fixed overnight, still short 4 scholarships. Jesus H. Motherfucking Christ the impatience of some "fans" is just laughable.


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Well said, except the "shit show" was caused by Engstrom and Delaney did his best to wallow through it. With that said, under Delaney's tenure (which included the sanctions) the program survived with the talent he inherited, but the talent level was declining. Stitt inherited one of the weakest o-lines in at least the last 25 years. Things will definitely get better.

 

[druhag]

How many damn threads like this do we need?

Apparently at least one per loss.

 

[sdk.catfish]

AZGrizFan wrote:
You f***[*] morons calling for Stitts head after 19 games go look up Don Reads record before he was hired here. This shit show created by Delaney ain't getting fixed overnight, still short 4 scholarships. Jesus H. Motherfucking Christ the impatience of some "fans" is just laughable.

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I don't know if I would put it quite in those terms but clearly this thread is premature and of little value. First look at the situation. He has a 3 year contract and the odds of him receiving an offer to move up or even laterally this year is so highly unlikely that to discuss that scenario is pointless.

Then take an objective look at the record.
2015 - 8 and 5 overall, 7-4 in conference and playoff invite
2016 - Probable best case (leaving out fantasy world) 8-3 in conference, win home playoff game and a loss on the road for 9-4 overall. Probable worst case (again leaving out the possibility of losing out or losing 2 at home) would be 7-4 conference with no playoff bid.
2017 - Who knows but without a tested quarterback it doesn't seem like 7-4 is unreasonable. Given the draw of WGS and the NCAA's love of money, a playoff opportunity is always in the cards

So what you have is a coach and team with somewhere around a 2/3 winning percentage who may make the playoffs 3 years in a row. There are many more knowledgeable about this than me but I don't see that as reason not to renew the contract - maybe only for 2 more years. So we all better just suck it up, provide reasonable (not necessarily fanatical) support for the team,and get used to it for a while because I think it is logical to assume he will be here at least another 3 years.

In my opinion, at this point we have a slightly above average coach, who appears to be a great recruiter, with a talent level right now that is above average but not great. Sometimes coaches like this stay around for a while. Sometimes they get really lucky and recruit some players, especially a quarterback that can run the system, and they have a magical season or two. The other seasons may not ever meet some expectations but those expectations are not realistic. Yes, sometimes I give in to bloated expectations as well, but I try to turn back to reality as soon as possible.

 

[Allezchat]

I think it needs to be said about Delaney.....without him you guys wouldn't have his granddaughter going to school at UM on your soccer team. And she ain't bad to look at. And that's what's important.....

 

[CFallsGriz]

You f***[*] morons calling for Stitts head after 19 games go look up Don Reads record before he was hired here. This shit show created by Delaney ain't getting fixed overnight, still short 4 scholarships. Jesus H. Motherfucking Christ the impatience of some "fans" is just laughable.


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Your pills dude, your pills. Sheesh AZ you're gonna stroke out on us :thumb:

By now, we should know what to expect on here.

 

[AZGrizFan]

You f***[*] morons calling for Stitts head after 19 games go look up Don Reads record before he was hired here. This shit show created by Delaney ain't getting fixed overnight, still short 4 scholarships. Jesus H. Motherfucking Christ the impatience of some "fans" is just laughable.


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Your pills dude, your pills. Sheesh AZ you're gonna stroke out on us :thumb:

By now, we should know what to expect on here.

:mrgreen:

 

[SoldierGriz]

AZGrizFan wrote:
You f***[*] morons calling for Stitts head after 19 games go look up Don Reads record before he was hired here. This shit show created by Delaney ain't getting fixed overnight, still short 4 scholarships. Jesus H. Motherfucking Christ the impatience of some "fans" is just laughable.

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I don't know if I would put it quite in those terms but clearly this thread is premature and of little value. First look at the situation. He has a 3 year contract and the odds of him receiving an offer to move up or even laterally this year is so highly unlikely that to discuss that scenario is pointless.

Then take an objective look at the record.
2015 - 8 and 5 overall, 7-4 in conference and playoff invite
2016 - Probable best case (leaving out fantasy world) 8-3 in conference, win home playoff game and a loss on the road for 9-4 overall. Probable worst case (again leaving out the possibility of losing out or losing 2 at home) would be 7-4 conference with no playoff bid.
2017 - Who knows but without a tested quarterback it doesn't seem like 7-4 is unreasonable. Given the draw of WGS and the NCAA's love of money, a playoff opportunity is always in the cards

So what you have is a coach and team with somewhere around a 2/3 winning percentage who may make the playoffs 3 years in a row. There are many more knowledgeable about this than me but I don't see that as reason not to renew the contract - maybe only for 2 more years. So we all better just suck it up, provide reasonable (not necessarily fanatical) support for the team,and get used to it for a while because I think it is logical to assume he will be here at least another 3 years.

In my opinion, at this point we have a slightly above average coach, who appears to be a great recruiter, with a talent level right now that is above average but not great. Sometimes coaches like this stay around for a while. Sometimes they get really lucky and recruit some players, especially a quarterback that can run the system, and they have a magical season or two. The other seasons may not ever meet some expectations but those expectations are not realistic. Yes, sometimes I give in to bloated expectations as well, but I try to turn back to reality as soon as possible.

If Stitt leads the Griz to 7-4 NEXT season, he is on the hot seat. Period.

 

[The_Real_Chief]

You f***[*] morons calling for Stitts head after 19 games go look up Don Reads record before he was hired here. This shit show created by Delaney ain't getting fixed overnight, still short 4 scholarships. Jesus H. Motherfucking Christ the impatience of some "fans" is just laughable.


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My god dude...calm down. I don't think Stitt should be fired either ,but god forbid someone disagree with you. Its not that big of a deal, its ok AZ take a few deep breaths before you post.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

AZGrizFan wrote:
You f***[*] morons calling for Stitts head after 19 games go look up Don Reads record before he was hired here. This shit show created by Delaney ain't getting fixed overnight, still short 4 scholarships. Jesus H. Motherfucking Christ the impatience of some "fans" is just laughable.

______________________________________________________________________
I don't know if I would put it quite in those terms but clearly this thread is premature and of little value. First look at the situation. He has a 3 year contract and the odds of him receiving an offer to move up or even laterally this year is so highly unlikely that to discuss that scenario is pointless.

Then take an objective look at the record.
2015 - 8 and 5 overall, 7-4 in conference and playoff invite
2016 - Probable best case (leaving out fantasy world) 8-3 in conference, win home playoff game and a loss on the road for 9-4 overall. Probable worst case (again leaving out the possibility of losing out or losing 2 at home) would be 7-4 conference with no playoff bid.
2017 - Who knows but without a tested quarterback it doesn't seem like 7-4 is unreasonable. Given the draw of WGS and the NCAA's love of money, a playoff opportunity is always in the cards

So what you have is a coach and team with somewhere around a 2/3 winning percentage who may make the playoffs 3 years in a row. There are many more knowledgeable about this than me but I don't see that as reason not to renew the contract - maybe only for 2 more years. So we all better just suck it up, provide reasonable (not necessarily fanatical) support for the team,and get used to it for a while because I think it is logical to assume he will be here at least another 3 years.

In my opinion, at this point we have a slightly above average coach, who appears to be a great recruiter, with a talent level right now that is above average but not great. Sometimes coaches like this stay around for a while. Sometimes they get really lucky and recruit some players, especially a quarterback that can run the system, and they have a magical season or two. The other seasons may not ever meet some expectations but those expectations are not realistic. Yes, sometimes I give in to bloated expectations as well, but I try to turn back to reality as soon as possible.

If Stitt leads the Griz to 7-4 NEXT season, he is on the hot seat. Period.

More difficult schedule, new QB in a very QB reliant system. 7 wins might be a good deal. I still believe, looking at the roster, that 2018 is the goal.

 

[SoldierGriz]

AZGrizFan wrote:
You f***[*] morons calling for Stitts head after 19 games go look up Don Reads record before he was hired here. This shit show created by Delaney ain't getting fixed overnight, still short 4 scholarships. Jesus H. Motherfucking Christ the impatience of some "fans" is just laughable.

______________________________________________________________________
I don't know if I would put it quite in those terms but clearly this thread is premature and of little value. First look at the situation. He has a 3 year contract and the odds of him receiving an offer to move up or even laterally this year is so highly unlikely that to discuss that scenario is pointless.

Then take an objective look at the record.
2015 - 8 and 5 overall, 7-4 in conference and playoff invite
2016 - Probable best case (leaving out fantasy world) 8-3 in conference, win home playoff game and a loss on the road for 9-4 overall. Probable worst case (again leaving out the possibility of losing out or losing 2 at home) would be 7-4 conference with no playoff bid.
2017 - Who knows but without a tested quarterback it doesn't seem like 7-4 is unreasonable. Given the draw of WGS and the NCAA's love of money, a playoff opportunity is always in the cards

So what you have is a coach and team with somewhere around a 2/3 winning percentage who may make the playoffs 3 years in a row. There are many more knowledgeable about this than me but I don't see that as reason not to renew the contract - maybe only for 2 more years. So we all better just suck it up, provide reasonable (not necessarily fanatical) support for the team,and get used to it for a while because I think it is logical to assume he will be here at least another 3 years.

In my opinion, at this point we have a slightly above average coach, who appears to be a great recruiter, with a talent level right now that is above average but not great. Sometimes coaches like this stay around for a while. Sometimes they get really lucky and recruit some players, especially a quarterback that can run the system, and they have a magical season or two. The other seasons may not ever meet some expectations but those expectations are not realistic. Yes, sometimes I give in to bloated expectations as well, but I try to turn back to reality as soon as possible.

If Stitt leads the Griz to 7-4 NEXT season, he is on the hot seat. Period.

More difficult schedule, new QB in a very QB reliant system. 7 wins might be a could deal. I still believe, looking at the roster, that 2018 is the goal.

Year-to-year contract beyond current deal...

 

[dbackjon]

You f***[*] morons calling for Stitts head after 19 games go look up Don Reads record before he was hired here. This shit show created by Delaney ain't getting fixed overnight, still short 4 scholarships. Jesus H. Motherfucking Christ the impatience of some "fans" is just laughable.


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Please, keep changing coaches. Become an unstable program that no kid wants to go to.


Montana lost to two good teams on the road. It's not like you lost to St. Francis and MVSU.

 

[putter]

You have to give a coach a full recruiting class and, unless I have bad info, the probation is gone after this year and Montana is back at full scholarships in 2017. This is year 2 of implementing a brand new offensive system and 1.5 years of implementing a new defensive scheme. Am I happy being 5-3, no but lets be realistic. If we are still talking about being 5-3 3 years from now when Stitt has had years of full scholarships and "his" recruits then the Montana program will be where Still can take it....

 

[getgrizzy]

You almost have to give a coach 3 years minimum. If we had gone 4-7 and were 3-5 right now, then you might think of pulling the plug after two years.

We've improved on offense compared to last year. Last year we averaged 422 yards per game, this year 501. Last year 5.1 per play, this year 6.1. Last year 29 pts per game, this year 41.

Defense is slightly better, but not much. 24.6 pts last year, 25.1 this year. 5.0 yards per play last year, 4.9 this year. 380 yards per game last year, 335 this year.

Mick was 19-8 over his last two years (hard to count 2012 with all the turmoil), while Stitt is 13-8 with three games to go. If he wins out and wins a playoff game, he'd be 17-9 and that's comparable. If he goes 1-2 and misses playoffs, he'd be 14-10 and that will make 2017 a big year for him.

 

[AZGrizFan]

You f***[*] morons calling for Stitts head after 19 games go look up Don Reads record before he was hired here. This shit show created by Delaney ain't getting fixed overnight, still short 4 scholarships. Jesus H. Motherfucking Christ the impatience of some "fans" is just laughable.


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My god dude...calm down. I don't think Stitt should be fired either ,but god forbid someone disagree with you. Its not that big of a deal, its ok AZ take a few deep breaths before you post.

Well if you don't think Stitt should be fired, then I wasn't talking to you, was I? :? :? :thumb:

 

[grizfan406]

AZGrizFan wrote:
You f***[*] morons calling for Stitts head after 19 games go look up Don Reads record before he was hired here. This shit show created by Delaney ain't getting fixed overnight, still short 4 scholarships. Jesus H. Motherfucking Christ the impatience of some "fans" is just laughable.

______________________________________________________________________
I don't know if I would put it quite in those terms but clearly this thread is premature and of little value. First look at the situation. He has a 3 year contract and the odds of him receiving an offer to move up or even laterally this year is so highly unlikely that to discuss that scenario is pointless.

Then take an objective look at the record.
2015 - 8 and 5 overall, 7-4 in conference and playoff invite
2016 - Probable best case (leaving out fantasy world) 8-3 in conference, win home playoff game and a loss on the road for 9-4 overall. Probable worst case (again leaving out the possibility of losing out or losing 2 at home) would be 7-4 conference with no playoff bid.
2017 - Who knows but without a tested quarterback it doesn't seem like 7-4 is unreasonable. Given the draw of WGS and the NCAA's love of money, a playoff opportunity is always in the cards

So what you have is a coach and team with somewhere around a 2/3 winning percentage who may make the playoffs 3 years in a row. There are many more knowledgeable about this than me but I don't see that as reason not to renew the contract - maybe only for 2 more years. So we all better just suck it up, provide reasonable (not necessarily fanatical) support for the team,and get used to it for a while because I think it is logical to assume he will be here at least another 3 years.

In my opinion, at this point we have a slightly above average coach, who appears to be a great recruiter, with a talent level right now that is above average but not great. Sometimes coaches like this stay around for a while. Sometimes they get really lucky and recruit some players, especially a quarterback that can run the system, and they have a magical season or two. The other seasons may not ever meet some expectations but those expectations are not realistic. Yes, sometimes I give in to bloated expectations as well, but I try to turn back to reality as soon as possible.

If Stitt leads the Griz to 7-4 NEXT season, he is on the hot seat. Period.

More difficult schedule, new QB in a very QB reliant system. 7 wins might be a good deal. I still believe, looking at the roster, that 2018 is the goal.

How many other teams, like NAU, EWU, etc have a QB come in as a freshman and dominate? It has been a long time since we had a young QB come in here and steal the show and have a long successfull career? Why not us?

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

AZGrizFan wrote:
You f***[*] morons calling for Stitts head after 19 games go look up Don Reads record before he was hired here. This shit show created by Delaney ain't getting fixed overnight, still short 4 scholarships. Jesus H. Motherfucking Christ the impatience of some "fans" is just laughable.

______________________________________________________________________
I don't know if I would put it quite in those terms but clearly this thread is premature and of little value. First look at the situation. He has a 3 year contract and the odds of him receiving an offer to move up or even laterally this year is so highly unlikely that to discuss that scenario is pointless.

Then take an objective look at the record.
2015 - 8 and 5 overall, 7-4 in conference and playoff invite
2016 - Probable best case (leaving out fantasy world) 8-3 in conference, win home playoff game and a loss on the road for 9-4 overall. Probable worst case (again leaving out the possibility of losing out or losing 2 at home) would be 7-4 conference with no playoff bid.
2017 - Who knows but without a tested quarterback it doesn't seem like 7-4 is unreasonable. Given the draw of WGS and the NCAA's love of money, a playoff opportunity is always in the cards

So what you have is a coach and team with somewhere around a 2/3 winning percentage who may make the playoffs 3 years in a row. There are many more knowledgeable about this than me but I don't see that as reason not to renew the contract - maybe only for 2 more years. So we all better just suck it up, provide reasonable (not necessarily fanatical) support for the team,and get used to it for a while because I think it is logical to assume he will be here at least another 3 years.

In my opinion, at this point we have a slightly above average coach, who appears to be a great recruiter, with a talent level right now that is above average but not great. Sometimes coaches like this stay around for a while. Sometimes they get really lucky and recruit some players, especially a quarterback that can run the system, and they have a magical season or two. The other seasons may not ever meet some expectations but those expectations are not realistic. Yes, sometimes I give in to bloated expectations as well, but I try to turn back to reality as soon as possible.

If Stitt leads the Griz to 7-4 NEXT season, he is on the hot seat. Period.

More difficult schedule, new QB in a very QB reliant system. 7 wins might be a good deal. I still believe, looking at the roster, that 2018 is the goal.

How many other teams, like NAU, EWU, etc have a QB come in as a freshman and dominate? It has been a long time since we had a young QB come in here and steal the show and have a long successfull career? Why not us?

It could happen. But the odds of a freshman or redshirt freshman struggling are much better than dominating.