How is Eastern so good at football but so bad at everything else?

[EverettGriz]

It's awfully cute that the ewoooers believe they are though, isn't it Sam?


The truth is, ewooo, like every program in the BSC, is deathly afraid of losing UM (and yes, msu as well) because it's the only thing that gives them relevancy.

 

[GrizLA]

It's awfully cute that the ewoooers believe they are though, isn't it Sam?


The truth is, ewooo, like every program in the BSC, is deathly afraid of losing UM (and yes, msu as well) because it's the only thing that gives them relevancy.

Judging from the top 25 if FCS, it is EWU that keeps the BSC "relevant" and as for academics, UM is a shadow of its former self. I am hoping that the new president proves to be able to turn things around but it won't happen over night.

 

[kemajic]

as for academics, UM is a shadow of its former self.

What is your measuring stick for this? And don't cite enrollment numbers.

 

[footballdood]

It's awfully cute that the ewoooers believe they are though, isn't it Sam?


The truth is, ewooo, like every program in the BSC, is deathly afraid of losing UM (and yes, msu as well) because it's the only thing that gives them relevancy.

Judging from the top 25 if FCS, it is EWU that keeps the BSC "relevant" and as for academics, UM is a shadow of its former self. I am hoping that the new president proves to be able to turn things around but it won't happen over night.

No argument there. EWU drew 10.9 k against Sac State. How many against UM last year? 10.9k. EWU would be just fine without UM.

 

[argh!]

Also. They didn't hire RE as president. The Missoulian and Gwen don't cover them incessantly. They don't have a Pat Williams on their case. They don't think athletes should be kicked off the team for a routine dui arrest. Their town and area with supporters isn't full of anti-football types.

you mean that bobby hauck didn't get re-hired, so you are bitter. look forward, greenie! ahead!

 

[WILDCATFAN]

Having the facilities is great, but getting a coaching staff together to get the recruits and getting the recruits to believe in the system is what matters the most. And that is how Eastern has done it. They've proved you don't need the biggest stadium to achieve success. Just the right coaches, players and an A.D. that believes in the success of the program.

The "We have the bigger stadium so we should be top dog" argument just doesn't work for Montana anymore. It doesn't mean Montana and Montana State wont be relevant, they always will be looked at as premier FCS programs but other programs are on the rise (see Eastern Washington). Heck even Weber is proving that if you get the right staff in place you can turn a non traditional power into a rising program. And Stewart Stadium isn't overly impressive (despite being the 4th largest on campus stadium in the Conference).

Also if academics played a part in anything would the University of Idaho be dropping back to FCS?

 

[Ursus1]

Stitt happens

 

[The_Real_Chief]

Location; EWU is in a state with two Pac-12 teams and no other D-1 FCS schools. If a player isn't good enough to play in the PAC-12 then they will go to EWU or an out-of-state school (like Montana.)

Bingo :thumb:

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

It's awfully cute that the ewoooers believe they are though, isn't it Sam?


The truth is, ewooo, like every program in the BSC, is deathly afraid of losing UM (and yes, msu as well) because it's the only thing that gives them relevancy.

Judging from the top 25 if FCS, it is EWU that keeps the BSC "relevant" and as for academics, UM is a shadow of its former self. I am hoping that the new president proves to be able to turn things around but it won't happen over night.

No argument there. EWU drew 10.9 k against Sac State. How many against UM last year? 10.9k. EWU would be just fine without UM.

Hahahaha ok man....if Montana and MSU left the big sky the conference would collapse. It would be 5 years before it it dissolved and teams started looking for life rafts in other conferences....

You think any of these broadcasting companies like ROOT even look at the Big Sky without the Montana fan bases??? If you do your out of your mind.

EWU has been better than the Griz for the past few years on the field yes.....but theres much more to an athletic department than that.

The fact is without Montana and yes Montana State the Big Sky does not exist in 2017.

 

[WILDCATFAN]

It's awfully cute that the ewoooers believe they are though, isn't it Sam?


The truth is, ewooo, like every program in the BSC, is deathly afraid of losing UM (and yes, msu as well) because it's the only thing that gives them relevancy.

Judging from the top 25 if FCS, it is EWU that keeps the BSC "relevant" and as for academics, UM is a shadow of its former self. I am hoping that the new president proves to be able to turn things around but it won't happen over night.

No argument there. EWU drew 10.9 k against Sac State. How many against UM last year? 10.9k. EWU would be just fine without UM.

Hahahaha ok man....if Montana and MSU left the big sky the conference would collapse. It would be 5 years before it it dissolved and teams started looking for life rafts in other conferences....

You think any of these broadcasting companies like ROOT even look at the Big Sky without the Montana fan bases??? If you do your out of your mind.

EWU has been better than the Griz for the past few years on the field yes.....but theres much more to an athletic department than that.

The fact is without Montana and yes Montana State the Big Sky does not exist in 2017.

Yeah I don't think so. While the Big Sky wouldn't be looked at the same anymore it wouldn't collapse if UM and MSU left. It would still be an 11 team conference with a few healthy football programs. It wouldn't be the same conference but it would survive just the same.

 

[EverettGriz]

It's awfully cute that the ewoooers believe they are though, isn't it Sam?


The truth is, ewooo, like every program in the BSC, is deathly afraid of losing UM (and yes, msu as well) because it's the only thing that gives them relevancy.

Judging from the top 25 if FCS, it is EWU that keeps the BSC "relevant" and as for academics, UM is a shadow of its former self. I am hoping that the new president proves to be able to turn things around but it won't happen over night.

No argument there. EWU drew 10.9 k against Sac State. How many against UM last year? 10.9k. EWU would be just fine without UM.

Let's see, using that terrific line of logic, UM draws 22,000 for noco, 27,000 for App State, and could draw 42,000 for Wyoming.

Hey, dood, I believe you just proved my point that UM belongs in a better conference!!

 

[WILDCATFAN]

It's awfully cute that the ewoooers believe they are though, isn't it Sam?


The truth is, ewooo, like every program in the BSC, is deathly afraid of losing UM (and yes, msu as well) because it's the only thing that gives them relevancy.

Judging from the top 25 if FCS, it is EWU that keeps the BSC "relevant" and as for academics, UM is a shadow of its former self. I am hoping that the new president proves to be able to turn things around but it won't happen over night.

No argument there. EWU drew 10.9 k against Sac State. How many against UM last year? 10.9k. EWU would be just fine without UM.

Let's see, using that terrific line of logic, UM draws 22,000 for noco, 27,000 for App State, and could draw 42,000 for Wyoming.

Hey, dood, I believe you just proved my point that UM belongs in a better conference!!

Washington Grizzly Stadium capacity - 25,217......draw 42,000 for Wyoming.........

Please explain that terrific line of logic.

 

[footballdood]

It's awfully cute that the ewoooers believe they are though, isn't it Sam?


The truth is, ewooo, like every program in the BSC, is deathly afraid of losing UM (and yes, msu as well) because it's the only thing that gives them relevancy.

Judging from the top 25 if FCS, it is EWU that keeps the BSC "relevant" and as for academics, UM is a shadow of its former self. I am hoping that the new president proves to be able to turn things around but it won't happen over night.

No argument there. EWU drew 10.9 k against Sac State. How many against UM last year? 10.9k. EWU would be just fine without UM.

Let's see, using that terrific line of logic, UM draws 22,000 for noco, 27,000 for App State, and could draw 42,000 for Wyoming.

Hey, dood, I believe you just proved my point that UM belongs in a better conference!!

And EWU could draw 50k against Washington State.

Going back to the conversation, the point is that EWU doesn't need Montana to fill the stadium. Sorry too burst the bubble, but Montana isn't crucial to EWU's survival. Some Big Sky programs would feel the effect of Montana leaving but the conference would hardly fall apart.

 

[EverettGriz]

Judging from the top 25 if FCS, it is EWU that keeps the BSC "relevant" and as for academics, UM is a shadow of its former self. I am hoping that the new president proves to be able to turn things around but it won't happen over night.

No argument there. EWU drew 10.9 k against Sac State. How many against UM last year? 10.9k. EWU would be just fine without UM.

Let's see, using that terrific line of logic, UM draws 22,000 for noco, 27,000 for App State, and could draw 42,000 for Wyoming.

Hey, dood, I believe you just proved my point that UM belongs in a better conference!!

Washington Grizzly Stadium capacity - 25,217......draw 42,000 for Wyoming.........

Please explain that terrific line of logic.

Cmon, Cat, you're a much better poster than that. With UM in a real conference with real money, how long do you believe capacity would stay at 27,000?

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Judging from the top 25 if FCS, it is EWU that keeps the BSC "relevant" and as for academics, UM is a shadow of its former self. I am hoping that the new president proves to be able to turn things around but it won't happen over night.

No argument there. EWU drew 10.9 k against Sac State. How many against UM last year? 10.9k. EWU would be just fine without UM.

Hahahaha ok man....if Montana and MSU left the big sky the conference would collapse. It would be 5 years before it it dissolved and teams started looking for life rafts in other conferences....

You think any of these broadcasting companies like ROOT even look at the Big Sky without the Montana fan bases??? If you do your out of your mind.

EWU has been better than the Griz for the past few years on the field yes.....but theres much more to an athletic department than that.

The fact is without Montana and yes Montana State the Big Sky does not exist in 2017.

Yeah I don't think so. While the Big Sky wouldn't be looked at the same anymore it wouldn't collapse if UM and MSU left. It would still be an 11 team conference with a few healthy football programs. It wouldn't be the same conference but it would survive just the same.

Ya the healthy football programs would be jumping ship real fast...what do you have left without the montanas and any media coverage what so ever.....

It sure wasnt a couple hundred people in Utah screaming for better coverage of their conference...it was the Montana markets and their large alumnus population in the Pacific Northwest.

You can tell me if the Montana's left Weber, whos athletic program is one of the stronger ones in the conference isnt looking to bail to the Southland or MVFC.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Judging from the top 25 if FCS, it is EWU that keeps the BSC "relevant" and as for academics, UM is a shadow of its former self. I am hoping that the new president proves to be able to turn things around but it won't happen over night.

No argument there. EWU drew 10.9 k against Sac State. How many against UM last year? 10.9k. EWU would be just fine without UM.

Let's see, using that terrific line of logic, UM draws 22,000 for noco, 27,000 for App State, and could draw 42,000 for Wyoming.

Hey, dood, I believe you just proved my point that UM belongs in a better conference!!

And EWU could draw 50k against Washington State.

Going back to the conversation, the point is that EWU doesn't need Montana to fill the stadium. Sorry too burst the bubble, but Montana isn't crucial to EWU's survival. Some Big Sky programs would feel the effect of Montana leaving but the conference would hardly fall apart.

Well I can only go by what I see...and every Eastern game I dont see Montana on the field..I dont see asses in the stands unless its the semis.

 

[WILDCATFAN]

No argument there. EWU drew 10.9 k against Sac State. How many against UM last year? 10.9k. EWU would be just fine without UM.

Let's see, using that terrific line of logic, UM draws 22,000 for noco, 27,000 for App State, and could draw 42,000 for Wyoming.

Hey, dood, I believe you just proved my point that UM belongs in a better conference!!

Washington Grizzly Stadium capacity - 25,217......draw 42,000 for Wyoming.........

Please explain that terrific line of logic.

Cmon, Cat, you're a much better poster than that. With UM in a real conference with real money, how long do you believe capacity would stay at 27,000?

I don't know, Utah State has been in a pretty decent FBS conference for some time (WAC, MWC) and their stadium still only holds 25,513. Wyoming has been in the MWC for how many years and their stadium only holds 29,181. Nevada's only holds 26,000. Even Boise State who has literally been the cream of the crop in the WAC and MWC only holds 36,387. Hell Idaho has been getting FBS money for some time now and their stadium holds LESS than Weber's. And your telling me that in a state with one of the smaller populations can support a 40+thousand Griz Stadium and a possible 35+ thousand seat MSU stadium? Forgive me if I don't see that as a possibility.

 

[EWUSigEp447]

No argument there. EWU drew 10.9 k against Sac State. How many against UM last year? 10.9k. EWU would be just fine without UM.

Let's see, using that terrific line of logic, UM draws 22,000 for noco, 27,000 for App State, and could draw 42,000 for Wyoming.

Hey, dood, I believe you just proved my point that UM belongs in a better conference!!

And EWU could draw 50k against Washington State.

Going back to the conversation, the point is that EWU doesn't need Montana to fill the stadium. Sorry too burst the bubble, but Montana isn't crucial to EWU's survival. Some Big Sky programs would feel the effect of Montana leaving but the conference would hardly fall apart.

Well I can only go by what I see...and every Eastern game I dont see Montana on the field..I dont see asses in the stands unless its the semis.

You're not looking hard enough then, or at all... And it is actually quite the opposite. The semis are where we have low attendance (like most quarter based or northern, non-domed FCS teams). The early non-conference + conference games are usually sell outs, at least for the past 23 games. MSU's game on Oct. 14th is also sold out, making that 24.

 

[WILDCATFAN]

No argument there. EWU drew 10.9 k against Sac State. How many against UM last year? 10.9k. EWU would be just fine without UM.

Hahahaha ok man....if Montana and MSU left the big sky the conference would collapse. It would be 5 years before it it dissolved and teams started looking for life rafts in other conferences....

You think any of these broadcasting companies like ROOT even look at the Big Sky without the Montana fan bases??? If you do your out of your mind.

EWU has been better than the Griz for the past few years on the field yes.....but theres much more to an athletic department than that.

The fact is without Montana and yes Montana State the Big Sky does not exist in 2017.

Yeah I don't think so. While the Big Sky wouldn't be looked at the same anymore it wouldn't collapse if UM and MSU left. It would still be an 11 team conference with a few healthy football programs. It wouldn't be the same conference but it would survive just the same.

Ya the healthy football programs would be jumping ship real fast...what do you have left without the montanas and any media coverage what so ever.....

It sure wasnt a couple hundred people in Utah screaming for better coverage of their conference...it was the Montana markets and their large alumnus population in the Pacific Northwest.

You can tell me if the Montana's left Weber, whos athletic program is one of the stronger ones in the conference isnt looking to bail to the Southland or MVFC.

There would be no where to bail to, the teams in the conference would have to stay or drop.

Let me ask you this, how did the Big Sky survive before Root came along? I don't remember dozens of tv networks clamoring over each other to show our games before Root came along.

Actually I can, If Montana and MSU left Weber would stay (unless and only unless they were also given a invite to move up. Not likely). Weber would then become one of the premier programs and an anchor of the conference. I don't see many Southern teams bailing their conference after App State and Georgia Southern left. It would be no different for the Big Sky.

Like I said, just like the Southern Conference it wouldn't be looked at the same way but it would (like the Southern Conference) Survive just the same.

I wont lie, I personally would miss the Griz and Bobcats if they left, they are two of three schools we have the most history with. And it would be a shame to see them go. But their departure would not end the Big Sky.

 

[kemajic]

There would be no where to bail to, the teams in the conference would have to stay or drop.

This is, of course, true for UM and MSU, so this whole discussion is hypothetical. Like a family, we are stuck with each other.