How does???

[EverettGriz]

NdP, ummm, what are you talking about??

At no time did I say I wasn't taking this seriously. At no time did I say that Foley didn't do what was alleged. And CERTAINLY at no time did I say I didn't want the mess cleaned up. I'm simply saying if the email used was all they have to support their contention, it's weak journalism at best. Feel free to differ with that argument all you wish. But please don't simply grandstand when you're as off-base as you were with that post, Jack (evidently we're all named "jack" on here).

 

[PlayerRep]

While I certainly don't buy into the conspiracy argument, and I've probably been less critical of the Missoulian than others, I think ECG's question is a valid one. If that is the only email being used to justify their statement that Foley sought to punish the alleged victim, then I would argue that the Missoulian's reporting on (at least) this particular issue is at best a reach, and possibly biased. In either event, it's almost certainly poor journalism.

The Missoulian published a fraction of the emails they received from the FOIA request that dealt with the alleged rapes.

They're doing UM a favor right now, and you don't even know it.

But, wouldn't it make good journalistic sense to then actually publish an email that supports their contention? At least, that's the way every journalist I've ever heard of does business.

As for doing UM any favors, I'll let reasonable people make their own decisions.

I hope this is all a big misunderstanding.

Why did Foley send that email? Seems stupid considering he's literally driven Griz players to a law office. At the very least, it sets up the UM for a civil case from the woman who made the allegation.

It doesn't set UM for a civil case by the woman. Jeez, what an idiotic thing to say. The police have already declined to pursue her allegation, and the UM panel apparently just voted 7-0 against her (according to what others have said).

 

[PlayerRep]

While I certainly don't buy into the conspiracy argument, and I've probably been less critical of the Missoulian than others, I think ECG's question is a valid one. If that is the only email being used to justify their statement that Foley sought to punish the alleged victim, then I would argue that the Missoulian's reporting on (at least) this particular issue is at best a reach, and possibly biased. In either event, it's almost certainly poor journalism.

The Missoulian published a fraction of the emails they received from the FOIA request that dealt with the alleged rapes.

They're doing UM a favor right now, and you don't even know it.

If there had been anything more supportive of their view on this matter involving Foley, they would have printed them. The Missoulian will probably dribble out more emails and stories over time. The Missoulian is getting close to drawing an action against them, in my view. Hope they get a claim, so everyone can eventually read their emails.

A claim against them? Jack, I know you are a smart guy. Come on, dude. Libel and slander are some of the hardest civil cases to prove in the US legal system. Don't patronize us with that.

The University of Montana is employed by the tax payers of the state of Montana. We get to know what our employees are up to. The Missoulian, however, is paid for by advertising and subscriptions. The comparisons you are trying to draw are laughable at best. But not surprising from you.

Claims are actually fairly easy to bring in Montana. Plaintiffs don't have to win cases to get discovery.

 

[Ursa Major]

Two quick questions:

1) Are there Mexican prostitution gangs in and around Missoula?

2) Anyone know what the going rate might be for a spry, octogenerian with removable dentures?

 

[Noches de Passion]

My point is that Foley's concerns, while understandable, are no different than any other crime reported in the paper. For example, when a defendant is arrested on suspicion of DUI and blows a .231 at the processing center and all that information is later reported by a newspaper, do we automatically assume guilt? Most of us do. But those of us who heard about the case and know those facts won't ever make it onto a jury. The same could be said for much more serious crimes. When someone is arrested in Mussellshell County for shooting his neighbor with a shotgun and he admits as much to the police, all of which is later reported in the paper, does that mean the man is guilty? To many of us, yes.

America is the most litigious society in the world. Crimes make it into the paper before criminals are convicted in a court of law. This is the way of the world, and that's why we don't hear about crimes for the first time after a criminal is convicted. Grizzly athletes are no different and deserve no better than the regular American.

 

[bigforkgriz]

The following

"Is it not a violation of the student code of conduct for the woman to be publicly talking about the process and providing details about the conclusion?” Foley emailed then-Dean of Students Charles Couture in March. “Help me understand please.”"

Equate to the following head line from the Missoulian:


UM vice president sought to punish alleged rape victim

What is funnier than hell is that you can post this thinking that it is perfectly clear and reasonable people would be able to interpret the meaning of Foley's intent. What you get on Egriz is people with exact opposites of opinion claiming it as their proof. This place is great.

 

[PlayerRep]

My point is that Foley's concerns, while understandable, are no different than any other crime reported in the paper. For example, when a defendant is arrested on suspicion of DUI and blows a .231 at the processing center and all that information is later reported by a newspaper, do we automatically assume guilt? Most of us do. But those of us who heard about the case and know those facts won't ever make it onto a jury. The same could be said for much more serious crimes. When someone is arrested in Mussellshell County for shooting his neighbor with a shotgun and he admits as much to the police, all of which is later reported in the paper, does that mean the man is guilty? To many of us, yes.

America is the most litigious society in the world. Crimes make it into the paper before criminals are convicted in a court of law. This is the way of the world, and that's why we don't hear about crimes for the first time after a criminal is convicted. Grizzly athletes are no different and deserve no better than the regular American.

1. I have never seen any credible news source take an email like Foley's and lead with such an inaccurate headline. Completely wrong. The email doesn't say anything about "seeking to punish".

2. America is litigious, and Montana is one of the leading states for litigation. Glad you admitted that.

3. "Griz athletes deserve no different ... than the regular american". Are you serious? Griz athletes are getting hammered in the press, much different than the regular american. They are being completely clobbered by the Missoulian. Where are you been? Do you not read the newspaper?

 

[Noches de Passion]

Classic Player picking and choosing. You can't reply to my overall point about conclusions of guilt when reported by the news media because you know you are wrong. You feel as though Griz athletes have been unfairly treated when I am telling you that they are being treated the same as similar individuals would be under similar circumstances. They don't deserve any better.

 

[PlayerRep]

Classic Player picking and choosing. You can't reply to my overall point about conclusions of guilt when reported by the news media because you know you are wrong. You feel as though Griz athletes have been unfairly treated when I am telling you that they are being treated the same as similar individuals would be under similar circumstances. They don't deserve any better.

And you are dead wrong. If you can't see that Griz athletes and athletics are not being treated like regular Americans, then you are a lost cause. Is there anyone who doesn't think these matters involving athletes and athletics are receiving huge attention from the media, especially the Missoulian, because of who they are?

 

[Noches de Passion]

Again, Player, I will refer you back to the original purpose of State institutions. They are tax-payer funded. We Montanans pay for all kinds of things we don't like, including Universities we don't support. When athletes break the law and public employees attempt to mislead their superiors and withold information about those laws that were broken, they deserve every bit of the attention they receive. It is part and parcel of the entire enterprise of stardom. You don't get to take the good moments of applause at Washington Grizzly stadium, favorable press coverage for an excellent football team, and then turn around and criticize the same newspaper for reporting on the bad moments. I know you think you can have all the positives without the negatives, but I believe more in the non-sociopathic fans of the Montana Grizzlies.

 

[PlayerRep]

Again, Player, I will refer you back to the original purpose of State institutions. They are tax-payer funded. We Montanans pay for all kinds of things we don't like, including Universities we don't support. When athletes break the law and public employees attempt to mislead their superiors and withold information about those laws that were broken, they deserve every bit of the attention they receive. It is part and parcel of the entire enterprise of stardom. You don't get to take the good moments of applause at Washington Grizzly stadium, favorable press coverage for an excellent football team, and then turn around and criticize the same newspaper for reporting on the bad moments. I know you think you can have all the positives without the negatives, but I believe more in the non-sociopathic fans of the Montana Grizzlies.

What you just said is not treating athletes like regular Americans. You now have said two completely different things. Jezz, make up your mind.

 

[Noches de Passion]

You can't even respond to pointed questions. It makes me LOL. You really are pathetic.

 

[Noches de Passion]

And I would answer your question by writing that regular Americans don't receive the positive attention athletes do. The limelight is there because of what they do on the field, deservedly so, just as much as it is on them for what they do off the field. They are treated the same way anyone in the same situation would be treated, whether positively or negatively.

 

[TouchdownMontana]

Player Rep is right on with this subject. The reporting
in the Missoulian is not reporting but given their optimum and is close to slander toward the football team and a great University.

 

[IdaGriz01]

Player Rep is right on with this subject. The reporting in the Missoulian is not reporting but given their optimum and is close to slander toward the football team and a great University.

Huh :?:

 

[LakGriz]

Here's a good reason that Jim Foley has not been fired. Yet.
His Boss is gone!
King Royce has been on vacation ... in Australia. He's been "down under," if that has any significance.
Let's see how long Foley lasts after the King gets back. And whether there's any explanation.

 

[Hammer]

Here's a good reason that Jim Foley has not been fired. Yet.
His Boss is gone!
King Royce has been on vacation ... in Australia. He's been "down under," if that has any significance.
Let's see how long Foley lasts after the King gets back. And whether there's any explanation.

Maybe the BOR will can Engstrom when he gets back from down under. :shock:

If your gonna clean house may as well start at the top. You don't slay a dragon by cutting off it's tail.

 

[wbtfg]

It will be interesting if the FOIA request included text messages to/from engstrom/foley/couture/pflugrad.

 

[MooUBaby]

Hold on guys I have to go get more popcorn, these pissing matches are pure enjoyment. Give me five minutes to pop the next bag, then please continue.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Player Rep is right on with this subject. The reporting
in the Missoulian is not reporting but given their optimum and is close to slander toward the football team and a great University.

UM has earned it...........

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