How 2 lose a game with 407 yards rushing?!?

[I'mHuntinBobKats]

Team Statistics (Final)
The Automated ScoreBook
#21 Montana vs #7 Eastern Washington (Sep 29, 2012 at Cheney, Wash.)

Team Totals UM EWU
FIRST DOWNS 25 23
Rushing 18 6
Passing 6 16
Penalty 1 1
NET YARDS RUSHING 407 94
Rushing Attempts 61 32
Average Per Rush 6.7 2.9
Rushing Touchdowns 3 1
Yards Gained Rushing 416 120
Yards Lost Rushing 9 26
NET YARDS PASSING 126 353
Completions-Attempts-Int 14-17-0 25-41-1
Average Per Attempt 7.4 8.6
Average Per Completion 9.0 14.1
Passing Touchdowns 0 3
TOTAL OFFENSE YARDS 533 447
Total offense plays 78 73
Average Gain Per Play 6.8 6.1
Fumbles: Number-Lost 3-3 3-1
Penalties: Number-Yards 6-37 7-54
PUNTS-YARDS 3-103 4-184
Average Yards Per Punt 34.3 46.0
Net Yards Per Punt 32.3 45.8
Inside 20 2 0
50+ Yards 0 2
Touchbacks 0 0
Fair catch 2 1
KICKOFFS-YARDS 6-382 5-323
Average Yards Per Kickoff 63.7 64.6
Net Yards Per Kickoff 45.5 42.8
Touchbacks 1 2
Punt returns: Number-Yards-TD 1-1-0 1-6-0
Average Per Return 1.0 6.0
Kickoff returns: Number-Yds-TD 4-59-0 4-84-0
Average Per Return 14.8 21.0
Interceptions: Number-Yds-TD 1-0-0 0-0-0
Fumble Returns: Number-Yds-TD 0-0-0 1-12-0
Miscellaneous Yards 0 0
Possession Time 29:09 30:51
1st Quarter 7:14 7:46
2nd Quarter 5:38 9:22
3rd Quarter 9:39 5:21
4th Quarter 6:38 8:22
Third-Down Conversions 7 of 14 7 of 14
Fourth-Down Conversions 0 of 0 1 of 2
Red-Zone Scores-Chances 4-6 3-3
Touchdowns 2-6 2-3
Field goals 2-6 1-3
Sacks By: Number-Yards 2-6 1-3
PAT Kicks 2-3 3-3
Field Goals 2-2 1-1

Here's how.

The game has evolved. With the uptempo style the rushing success did not equate to ball possession. In the past, 400 yards rushing would have limited the other team's offensive opportunities. Not so here if you look at the stats. both teams had the same opportunities offensively, the Griz did it on the ground and the Eagles did it through the air.

Its fair to say this game was lost due to turnovers and piss poor coaching, just like our other L's this year. If a guy turns the ball over repetitively, bench him and find a way to get it done without him. If another player looks like a JV safety for Missoula Big Sky, you bench him and find a way to get it done without him. If a kicker cant make a PAT to save his life, bench his ass and get it done without him. If the coaches cant do there jobs effectively, you start looking for a new head coach.

 

[PlayerRep]

Team Statistics (Final)
The Automated ScoreBook
#21 Montana vs #7 Eastern Washington (Sep 29, 2012 at Cheney, Wash.)

Team Totals UM EWU
FIRST DOWNS 25 23
Rushing 18 6
Passing 6 16
Penalty 1 1
NET YARDS RUSHING 407 94
Rushing Attempts 61 32
Average Per Rush 6.7 2.9
Rushing Touchdowns 3 1
Yards Gained Rushing 416 120
Yards Lost Rushing 9 26
NET YARDS PASSING 126 353
Completions-Attempts-Int 14-17-0 25-41-1
Average Per Attempt 7.4 8.6
Average Per Completion 9.0 14.1
Passing Touchdowns 0 3
TOTAL OFFENSE YARDS 533 447
Total offense plays 78 73
Average Gain Per Play 6.8 6.1
Fumbles: Number-Lost 3-3 3-1
Penalties: Number-Yards 6-37 7-54
PUNTS-YARDS 3-103 4-184
Average Yards Per Punt 34.3 46.0
Net Yards Per Punt 32.3 45.8
Inside 20 2 0
50+ Yards 0 2
Touchbacks 0 0
Fair catch 2 1
KICKOFFS-YARDS 6-382 5-323
Average Yards Per Kickoff 63.7 64.6
Net Yards Per Kickoff 45.5 42.8
Touchbacks 1 2
Punt returns: Number-Yards-TD 1-1-0 1-6-0
Average Per Return 1.0 6.0
Kickoff returns: Number-Yds-TD 4-59-0 4-84-0
Average Per Return 14.8 21.0
Interceptions: Number-Yds-TD 1-0-0 0-0-0
Fumble Returns: Number-Yds-TD 0-0-0 1-12-0
Miscellaneous Yards 0 0
Possession Time 29:09 30:51
1st Quarter 7:14 7:46
2nd Quarter 5:38 9:22
3rd Quarter 9:39 5:21
4th Quarter 6:38 8:22
Third-Down Conversions 7 of 14 7 of 14
Fourth-Down Conversions 0 of 0 1 of 2
Red-Zone Scores-Chances 4-6 3-3
Touchdowns 2-6 2-3
Field goals 2-6 1-3
Sacks By: Number-Yards 2-6 1-3
PAT Kicks 2-3 3-3
Field Goals 2-2 1-1

Here's how.

The game has evolved. With the uptempo style the rushing success did not equate to ball possession. In the past, 400 yards rushing would have limited the other team's offensive opportunities. Not so here if you look at the stats. both teams had the same opportunities offensively, the Griz did it on the ground and the Eagles did it through the air.

Its fair to say this game was lost due to turnovers and piss poor coaching, just like our other L's this year. If a guy turns the ball over repetitively, bench him and find a way to get it done without him. If another player looks like a JV safety for Missoula Big Sky, you bench him and find a way to get it done without him. If a kicker cant make a PAT to save his life, bench his ass and get it done without him. If the coaches cant do there jobs effectively, you start looking for a new head coach.

So, because Moore and Canada had fumbles before the EWU game, they should have been benched?

I assume Nguyen, who hadn't had a fumble as a running back since his sophomore year, shouldn't haven't have been benched prior to the game?

So, if you bench your top 3 running backs, who do you play? Do you think the team would be better with the 4th and 5th team running backs?

If you bench your no. 1 and no. 2 safeties, and play your no. 3 and no. 4 safeties, do you really think the safety play will improve? Now that's pretty funny. Let's play our players that a further down the depth chart, so that our play will improve. Ha-ha.

If the best kicker, who hasn't missed a FG this season, misses an extra point, that's play a worse kicker, and hope the kicking game improves. That one's pretty funny too.

egriz may have consider minimum standards for posting.

 

[MTGRIZ12]

Team Statistics (Final)
The Automated ScoreBook
#21 Montana vs #7 Eastern Washington (Sep 29, 2012 at Cheney, Wash.)

Team Totals UM EWU
FIRST DOWNS 25 23
Rushing 18 6
Passing 6 16
Penalty 1 1
NET YARDS RUSHING 407 94
Rushing Attempts 61 32
Average Per Rush 6.7 2.9
Rushing Touchdowns 3 1
Yards Gained Rushing 416 120
Yards Lost Rushing 9 26
NET YARDS PASSING 126 353
Completions-Attempts-Int 14-17-0 25-41-1
Average Per Attempt 7.4 8.6
Average Per Completion 9.0 14.1
Passing Touchdowns 0 3
TOTAL OFFENSE YARDS 533 447
Total offense plays 78 73
Average Gain Per Play 6.8 6.1
Fumbles: Number-Lost 3-3 3-1
Penalties: Number-Yards 6-37 7-54
PUNTS-YARDS 3-103 4-184
Average Yards Per Punt 34.3 46.0
Net Yards Per Punt 32.3 45.8
Inside 20 2 0
50+ Yards 0 2
Touchbacks 0 0
Fair catch 2 1
KICKOFFS-YARDS 6-382 5-323
Average Yards Per Kickoff 63.7 64.6
Net Yards Per Kickoff 45.5 42.8
Touchbacks 1 2
Punt returns: Number-Yards-TD 1-1-0 1-6-0
Average Per Return 1.0 6.0
Kickoff returns: Number-Yds-TD 4-59-0 4-84-0
Average Per Return 14.8 21.0
Interceptions: Number-Yds-TD 1-0-0 0-0-0
Fumble Returns: Number-Yds-TD 0-0-0 1-12-0
Miscellaneous Yards 0 0
Possession Time 29:09 30:51
1st Quarter 7:14 7:46
2nd Quarter 5:38 9:22
3rd Quarter 9:39 5:21
4th Quarter 6:38 8:22
Third-Down Conversions 7 of 14 7 of 14
Fourth-Down Conversions 0 of 0 1 of 2
Red-Zone Scores-Chances 4-6 3-3
Touchdowns 2-6 2-3
Field goals 2-6 1-3
Sacks By: Number-Yards 2-6 1-3
PAT Kicks 2-3 3-3
Field Goals 2-2 1-1

Here's how.

The game has evolved. With the uptempo style the rushing success did not equate to ball possession. In the past, 400 yards rushing would have limited the other team's offensive opportunities. Not so here if you look at the stats. both teams had the same opportunities offensively, the Griz did it on the ground and the Eagles did it through the air.

Its fair to say this game was lost due to turnovers and piss poor coaching, just like our other L's this year. If a guy turns the ball over repetitively, bench him and find a way to get it done without him. If another player looks like a JV safety for Missoula Big Sky, you bench him and find a way to get it done without him. If a kicker cant make a PAT to save his life, bench his ass and get it done without him. If the coaches cant do there jobs effectively, you start looking for a new head coach.

So, because Moore and Canada had fumbles before the EWU game, they should have been benched?

I assume Nguyen, who hadn't had a fumble as a running back since his sophomore year, shouldn't haven't have been benched prior to the game?

So, if you bench your top 3 running backs, who do you play? Do you think the team would be better with the 4th and 5th team running backs?

If you bench your no. 1 and no. 2 safeties, and play your no. 3 and no. 4 safeties, do you really think the safety play will improve? Now that's pretty funny. Let's play our players that a further down the depth chart, so that our play will improve. Ha-ha.

If the best kicker, who hasn't missed a FG this season, misses an extra point, that's play a worse kicker, and hope the kicking game improves. That one's pretty funny too.

egriz may have consider minimum standards for posting.

:clap:

No fumble is a good fumble but I am pretty sure Canada's fumble wasn't a fumble and Dan Moore's fumbles usually come because of him giving an extra 150%, his YAC far out weighs the fumbles. Secondary ?? fix the problem and that doesn't mean put in someone with less talent/experience....The kicker is probably the funniest one of all....he's missed 2 XP's and i think O FG's.

but according to your logic, you should be benched for your post :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[EverettGriz]

I don't blame the coaching staff for the loss, and I think they're doing a commendable job in a difficult situation.

That said, it's certainly fair to criticize them for a few things:

1. Turnovers. Yes, the coaches aren't coughing it up, but teaching and stressing ball security is their job. Canada (while down) had terrible ball security on his fumble.

2. Burning one timeout to run a simple QB waggle to the short side of the field in the first half, and burning TWO timeouts to kick a short field goal in the second is unaccaptable.

3. If you're just going to kill the clock at the end of a half, don't expose your stars to injury. Nguyen got absolutely CLOBBERED on the final play of the half, getting 5 yards running outside at the UM 30. That just isn't a good coaching decision. Take a knee or run a dive.

 

[WILD_CAT]

If you rush for 70 yards on a drive and fumble. Should those yards really count? Football is funny that way isn't it (see 2010 Cat/Griz game)?

 

[blazerbird]

Turnovers? Please. You had one more than Eastern, and could've salted the game away had you only converted a third down after Adams fumbled the ball away late. But wait, you still had hope! You could've stopped the second pass to Kaufman in the end zone, could've handled the onside kick, and could've defended Clark on the go ahead score. Hell, you even had a decent chance on the last possession. It wasn't turnovers that killed you, it was your lack of a passing game and secondary, and crappy clock management down the stretch.

 

[EverettGriz]

Turnovers? Please. You had one more than Eastern, and could've salted the game away had you only converted a third down after Adams fumbled the ball away late. But wait, you still had hope! You could've stopped the second pass to Kaufman in the end zone, could've handled the onside kick, and could've defended Clark on the go ahead score. Hell, you even had a decent chance on the last possession. It wasn't turnovers that killed you, it was your lack of a passing game and secondary, and crappy clock management down the stretch.

What a dumb post.

Of course turnovers cost the Griz. If they don't turn it over twice inside the 5, they lead by 25 with 4 minutes remaining and smile contentedly watching ewoo do a bunch of stuff late in the game that wouldn't mean shit to the outcome.

Those things you mentioned mattered only BECAUSE of the turnovers.

 

[Dean Wormer]

Turnovers? Please. You had one more than Eastern, and could've salted the game away had you only converted a third down after Adams fumbled the ball away late. But wait, you still had hope! You could've stopped the second pass to Kaufman in the end zone, could've handled the onside kick, and could've defended Clark on the go ahead score. Hell, you even had a decent chance on the last possession. It wasn't turnovers that killed you, it was your lack of a passing game and secondary, and crappy clock management down the stretch.

What a dumb post.

Of course turnovers cost the Griz. If they don't turn it over twice inside the 5, they lead by 25 with 4 minutes remaining and smile contentedly watching ewoo do a bunch of stuff late in the game that wouldn't mean shit to the outcome.

Those things you mentioned mattered only BECAUSE of the turnovers.

I thought his post was pretty much telling it like it was

 

[EverettGriz]

Oh, everything he said is correct. But NONE of it matters if UM doesn't cough it up twice inside the five.

 

[ilovethecats]

just like in the msu game 2 years ago....turnovers are part of the game. however, i always find it funny that fans always assume when their team turns it over inside the 5 or 10 that it was a guarenteed td off the board. how is anyone sure the griz would have scored a td? what if eastern would have stuffed you and forced a fg? what if you would have missed a fg? what if they would have went for it on 4th and didn't get it?

if these were always sure things, we'd just change the rules and when teams reach the 15 they get 3 points and anything inside the ten you get a td no matter what. but it doesn't work that way because anything could happen....

 

[EverettGriz]

just like in the msu game 2 years ago....turnovers are part of the game. however, i always find it funny that fans always assume when their team turns it over inside the 5 or 10 that it was a guarenteed td off the board. how is anyone sure the griz would have scored a td? what if eastern would have stuffed you and forced a fg? what if you would have missed a fg? what if they would have went for it on 4th and didn't get it?

if these were always sure things, we'd just change the rules and when teams reach the 15 they get 3 points and anything inside the ten you get a td no matter what. but it doesn't work that way because anything could happen....

Cannot argue at all with that logic.

But then, certainly you agree that it's also just as ridiculous to claim -- as blazerbird did -- that the turnovers had NO impact on the game. Odds are, even given the worst case scenario, UM gets 6 total points out of those drives (and the way they were dominating on the Oline, I think it's fair to assume it would have been more).

That doesn't change what happened after that, of course. But to suggest that those turnovers didn't impact the game is, well, frankly rather silly.

 

[AZGrizFan]

just like in the msu game 2 years ago....turnovers are part of the game. however, i always find it funny that fans always assume when their team turns it over inside the 5 or 10 that it was a guarenteed td off the board. how is anyone sure the griz would have scored a td? what if eastern would have stuffed you and forced a fg? what if you would have missed a fg? what if they would have went for it on 4th and didn't get it?

if these were always sure things, we'd just change the rules and when teams reach the 15 they get 3 points and anything inside the ten you get a td no matter what. but it doesn't work that way because anything could happen....

The only thing guaranteed is if a team gets into the red zone against either the Griz or the Cats, they WILL score. :?

 

[AZGrizFan]

Turnovers? Please. You had one more than Eastern, and could've salted the game away had you only converted a third down after Adams fumbled the ball away late. But wait, you still had hope! You could've stopped the second pass to Kaufman in the end zone, could've handled the onside kick, and could've defended Clark on the go ahead score. Hell, you even had a decent chance on the last possession. It wasn't turnovers that killed you, it was your lack of a passing game and secondary, and crappy clock management down the stretch.

We'd have survived all those turnovers with just ONE first down on the last drive. Or recovery of the onside kick.

 

[EverettGriz]

just like in the msu game 2 years ago....turnovers are part of the game. however, i always find it funny that fans always assume when their team turns it over inside the 5 or 10 that it was a guarenteed td off the board. how is anyone sure the griz would have scored a td? what if eastern would have stuffed you and forced a fg? what if you would have missed a fg? what if they would have went for it on 4th and didn't get it?

if these were always sure things, we'd just change the rules and when teams reach the 15 they get 3 points and anything inside the ten you get a td no matter what. but it doesn't work that way because anything could happen....

The only thing guaranteed is if a team gets into the red zone against either the Griz or the Cats, they WILL score. :?

Geez, good point.

 

[ilovethecats]

just like in the msu game 2 years ago....turnovers are part of the game. however, i always find it funny that fans always assume when their team turns it over inside the 5 or 10 that it was a guarenteed td off the board. how is anyone sure the griz would have scored a td? what if eastern would have stuffed you and forced a fg? what if you would have missed a fg? what if they would have went for it on 4th and didn't get it?

if these were always sure things, we'd just change the rules and when teams reach the 15 they get 3 points and anything inside the ten you get a td no matter what. but it doesn't work that way because anything could happen....

Cannot argue at all with that logic.

But then, certainly you agree that it's also just as ridiculous to claim -- as blazerbird did -- that the turnovers had NO impact on the game. Odds are, even given the worst case scenario, UM gets 6 total points out of those drives (and the way they were dominating on the Oline, I think it's fair to assume it would have been more).

That doesn't change what happened after that, of course. But to suggest that those turnovers didn't impact the game is, well, frankly rather silly.

oh ya. his post didn't make sense either. people like to just pick one or two things to focus on and say THAT is the reason their team lost. to's are usually number one in this area. and to's play a HUGE role in a games outcome. but so do penalties. and 3rd down conversions. and t.o.p. and special teams. it is a TEAM game and the best TEAMS are usually the ones that are very good in ALL areas. i've seen teams with 5 to's win the game. i've seen teams play perfect on offense and defense and lose by 2 td's because of terrible special teams play.

it is fun going back and forth on what won or lost the game but in the end we are all wrong....

 

[ilovethecats]

just like in the msu game 2 years ago....turnovers are part of the game. however, i always find it funny that fans always assume when their team turns it over inside the 5 or 10 that it was a guarenteed td off the board. how is anyone sure the griz would have scored a td? what if eastern would have stuffed you and forced a fg? what if you would have missed a fg? what if they would have went for it on 4th and didn't get it?

if these were always sure things, we'd just change the rules and when teams reach the 15 they get 3 points and anything inside the ten you get a td no matter what. but it doesn't work that way because anything could happen....

The only thing guaranteed is if a team gets into the red zone against either the Griz or the Cats, they WILL score. :?

Geez, good point.

ya that is just annoying. i'm looking to break that streak this weekend! :wtf:

 

[I'mHuntinBobKats]

Team Statistics (Final)
The Automated ScoreBook
#21 Montana vs #7 Eastern Washington (Sep 29, 2012 at Cheney, Wash.)

Team Totals UM EWU
FIRST DOWNS 25 23
Rushing 18 6
Passing 6 16
Penalty 1 1
NET YARDS RUSHING 407 94
Rushing Attempts 61 32
Average Per Rush 6.7 2.9
Rushing Touchdowns 3 1
Yards Gained Rushing 416 120
Yards Lost Rushing 9 26
NET YARDS PASSING 126 353
Completions-Attempts-Int 14-17-0 25-41-1
Average Per Attempt 7.4 8.6
Average Per Completion 9.0 14.1
Passing Touchdowns 0 3
TOTAL OFFENSE YARDS 533 447
Total offense plays 78 73
Average Gain Per Play 6.8 6.1
Fumbles: Number-Lost 3-3 3-1
Penalties: Number-Yards 6-37 7-54
PUNTS-YARDS 3-103 4-184
Average Yards Per Punt 34.3 46.0
Net Yards Per Punt 32.3 45.8
Inside 20 2 0
50+ Yards 0 2
Touchbacks 0 0
Fair catch 2 1
KICKOFFS-YARDS 6-382 5-323
Average Yards Per Kickoff 63.7 64.6
Net Yards Per Kickoff 45.5 42.8
Touchbacks 1 2
Punt returns: Number-Yards-TD 1-1-0 1-6-0
Average Per Return 1.0 6.0
Kickoff returns: Number-Yds-TD 4-59-0 4-84-0
Average Per Return 14.8 21.0
Interceptions: Number-Yds-TD 1-0-0 0-0-0
Fumble Returns: Number-Yds-TD 0-0-0 1-12-0
Miscellaneous Yards 0 0
Possession Time 29:09 30:51
1st Quarter 7:14 7:46
2nd Quarter 5:38 9:22
3rd Quarter 9:39 5:21
4th Quarter 6:38 8:22
Third-Down Conversions 7 of 14 7 of 14
Fourth-Down Conversions 0 of 0 1 of 2
Red-Zone Scores-Chances 4-6 3-3
Touchdowns 2-6 2-3
Field goals 2-6 1-3
Sacks By: Number-Yards 2-6 1-3
PAT Kicks 2-3 3-3
Field Goals 2-2 1-1

Here's how.

The game has evolved. With the uptempo style the rushing success did not equate to ball possession. In the past, 400 yards rushing would have limited the other team's offensive opportunities. Not so here if you look at the stats. both teams had the same opportunities offensively, the Griz did it on the ground and the Eagles did it through the air.

Its fair to say this game was lost due to turnovers and piss poor coaching, just like our other L's this year. If a guy turns the ball over repetitively, bench him and find a way to get it done without him. If another player looks like a JV safety for Missoula Big Sky, you bench him and find a way to get it done without him. If a kicker cant make a PAT to save his life, bench his ass and get it done without him. If the coaches cant do there jobs effectively, you start looking for a new head coach.

So, because Moore and Canada had fumbles before the EWU game, they should have been benched?

I assume Nguyen, who hadn't had a fumble as a running back since his sophomore year, shouldn't haven't have been benched prior to the game?



egriz may have consider minimum standards for posting.

Yes, After Moore's 2nd fumble in one game, he should have been benched.

And in what world are you living in saying Nguyen hadn't fumbled since his sophomore year? Is that a joke or you have some stats to prove your BS.

Minimum standards for posting you say? Your a joke PlayaRape.

 

[jcu27]

It's amazing how some people fail to consider the coaches job is suppose to teach them... Not just call plays..

what coach do you think calls the plays??

hc oc dc..

 

[PlayerRep]

Here's how.

The game has evolved. With the uptempo style the rushing success did not equate to ball possession. In the past, 400 yards rushing would have limited the other team's offensive opportunities. Not so here if you look at the stats. both teams had the same opportunities offensively, the Griz did it on the ground and the Eagles did it through the air.

Its fair to say this game was lost due to turnovers and piss poor coaching, just like our other L's this year. If a guy turns the ball over repetitively, bench him and find a way to get it done without him. If another player looks like a JV safety for Missoula Big Sky, you bench him and find a way to get it done without him. If a kicker cant make a PAT to save his life, bench his ass and get it done without him. If the coaches cant do there jobs effectively, you start looking for a new head coach.

So, because Moore and Canada had fumbles before the EWU game, they should have been benched?

I assume Nguyen, who hadn't had a fumble as a running back since his sophomore year, shouldn't haven't have been benched prior to the game?



egriz may have consider minimum standards for posting.

Yes, After Moore's 2nd fumble in one game, he should have been benched.

And in what world are you living in saying Nguyen hadn't fumbled since his sophomore year? Is that a joke or you have some stats to prove your BS.

Minimum standards for posting you say? Your a joke PlayaRape.

Nguyen didn't lose a fumble, as a running back, last year. His only fumble last year was the punt return at Tenn. Thus, until last Saturday, hadn't lost a fumble, from running back, since his sophomore year. I'll bet you $100. Put up or shut up. And make sure you don't get thrown off the by Canada's fumble against ISU that got attributed to him last year.

 

[Screamin_Eagle174]

just like in the msu game 2 years ago....turnovers are part of the game. however, i always find it funny that fans always assume when their team turns it over inside the 5 or 10 that it was a guarenteed td off the board. how is anyone sure the griz would have scored a td? what if eastern would have stuffed you and forced a fg? what if you would have missed a fg? what if they would have went for it on 4th and didn't get it?

if these were always sure things, we'd just change the rules and when teams reach the 15 they get 3 points and anything inside the ten you get a td no matter what. but it doesn't work that way because anything could happen....

Cannot argue at all with that logic.

But then, certainly you agree that it's also just as ridiculous to claim -- as blazerbird did -- that the turnovers had NO impact on the game. Odds are, even given the worst case scenario, UM gets 6 total points out of those drives (and the way they were dominating on the Oline, I think it's fair to assume it would have been more).

That doesn't change what happened after that, of course. But to suggest that those turnovers didn't impact the game is, well, frankly rather silly.

The thing is, turnovers go both ways. It's just as easy for me to say that had Jake Miller not muffed the punt snap, we could take 7 points off the board for the Griz by not handing them the ball inside the 10. Or Adams' pick, deep in Griz territory... easily could've been another EWU TD. There's 14 points right there. Fact of the matter is, turnovers are part of the game and they affected both teams. UM might've given up the ball in the red zone, but that also means EWU had to drive the length of the field to score. In the end, it was the UM secondary and special teams that led to EWU winning.