Hoops was right…

[ElrodGrizzly]

Brint and I had drafted an email to Herder on this subject last week, but we got into the rush of the weekend and didn't send it. I had sharpened the draft a bit earlier this week.

I have always had a low opinion of Herder's football knowledge, and this really confirms it. How can a supposedly top FCS sportswriter make a big mistake like this, and keep repeating it?

What did Herder say. I’ve seen a lot of people going at him on here the last week?

He said D-II wins don't count, and I believe he said that we don't deserve to be ranked over the last few weeks, which got a lot of people upset and happy to blow off steam at him when we come out and win.

 

[Robsnotes4u]

This has always been the case. There's never been anything ever that says D2 wins will be excluded, but people like you, Rob, and a bunch of other FCS commentators and AGS users just parroted around what you assumed should be the case, and enough people bought into it. Same thing about the "7-win criteria". 7 D1 wins was never a requirement.

I don't think I or others would be so hard on you, Rob, if you hadn't been in everyone's mentions on twitter and every thread on here for weeks telling us how wrong we are, despite people citing evidence to the contrary. Despite what everyone wants to believe, the playoff selection process is, has been, and always will be extremely subjective.

You are incorrect. In 2014 it did say non-counters, those exact words. That is the what everyone was referring to.

 

[Butte5518]

So it sounds to me like scheduling a D2 still isn't worth it. Yes they will count it towards your win total, but it sounds like it can still hurt you come Selection Sunday. Hypothetically, let's say the Griz and Eastern both finish 7-4. We both beat UC Davis on the road with Larison injured, but we only have 6 D1 wins and they have 7. Who gets the nod in that scenario? I would say more than likely Eastern. Perhaps if it were between us and Weber for the final spot we could maybe say the Griz because Ferris State is superior to Central Washington. You can frame it any way you want, but at the end of the day the committee is still going to factor in number of D1 wins and depending on how the rest of the season goes, it may be enough to keep us on the outside looking in.

I say the committee is going to look at SOS and quality of teams played. The committee is not going to take a win over a weak D1 over a strong D2.

oh for crying out loud.... now you have jumped the shark!!! There is absolutely no way to even rate a D2 team on SOS because THE SYSTEM DOES NOT TRACK D2 TEAMS!!!

 

[Hoops Translator]

Hoops Translator:

Hoops is usually right. And, be careful about taking him on over something like this, because he will use his 45 years of lawyerly skills, will do his research, will contact the key people, won't give up easily, and will get to an answer. And he won't be affected by people who are saying unsupported and stupid things.

Translation: I wouldn’t need a translator if I wasn’t such a banana cannon leaving a chocolate speedway of demeaning attacks at people. I can actually provide some valuable input when I put my mind to it.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

What did Herder say. I’ve seen a lot of people going at him on here the last week?

He said D-II wins don't count, and I believe he said that we don't deserve to be ranked over the last few weeks, which got a lot of people upset and happy to blow off steam at him when we come out and win.

He’s probably just using the Dallas Cowboys media plan. If you need traffic or views or clicks. Just attack the largest fan base in FCS. It drives traffic

 

[Robsnotes4u]

Let's make you right again Hoops. You say the Griz are better than the Cats on the line and running backs. They will defeat the Cats. I only bet on things I can control, but I will make an exception here. You try to bet but always try to twist it, so this is simple. This years Brawl.

Griz win Ex-car guy pays Hoops $500
Cats win Hoops pays Ex-car guy $500


Easy money, in fact I am Dead Money.

If for some reason the Cats get lucky, I will drive to Missoula and play you a set of 10 ball, double or nothing. Race to 9. I don't know how you play, but I will give you two on the wire and the 8, plus buy you a couple of beers. Wait, you like wine. I will bring a good bottle of Caymus, my cousin’s in-law's familiy recipe and grapes. We can celebrate.

Imagine you sitting with Bobby bragging, that you took an ex-car guys money.

By the way, I have a friend, ex-griz football player who is highly respected in his city and profession that will vouch for me if you dont trust me. Even though I have a daughter who is an attorney, I don't trust most, but I will trust you would pay me if you lose

No other offers or bets. The main bet and a chance to win it back if want. You don't have to do the double or nothing.

 

[mthoopsfan]

This has always been the case. There's never been anything ever that says D2 wins will be excluded, but people like you, Rob, and a bunch of other FCS commentators and AGS users just parroted around what you assumed should be the case, and enough people bought into it. Same thing about the "7-win criteria". 7 D1 wins was never a requirement.

I don't think I or others would be so hard on you, Rob, if you hadn't been in everyone's mentions on twitter and every thread on here for weeks telling us how wrong we are, despite people citing evidence to the contrary. Despite what everyone wants to believe, the playoff selection process is, has been, and always will be extremely subjective.

You are incorrect. In 2014 it did say non-counters, those exact words. That is the what everyone was referring to.

What said that and where? Are you still just making up stuff? The committee told me nothing had changed recently.

 

[mthoopsfan]

I say the committee is going to look at SOS and quality of teams played. The committee is not going to take a win over a weak D1 over a strong D2.

oh for crying out loud.... now you have jumped the shark!!! There is absolutely no way to even rate a D2 team on SOS because THE SYSTEM DOES NOT TRACK D2 TEAMS!!!

The criterion is strength of schedule, lower case. It's not a specific system or formula or SOS: "2) strength of
schedule,"

Anyone can look at a schedule and figure out general strength of schedule, including for a D2.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Hoops Translator:

Hoops is usually right. And, be careful about taking him on over something like this, because he will use his 45 years of lawyerly skills, will do his research, will contact the key people, won't give up easily, and will get to an answer. And he won't be affected by people who are saying unsupported and stupid things.

Translation: I wouldn’t need a translator if I wasn’t such a banana cannon leaving a chocolate speedway of demeaning attacks at people. I can actually provide some valuable input when I put my mind to it.

Only people deserving demeaning comments get them. I'm not an everyone-gets-a-ribbon poster. I judge some posters, the jerks, by their posts and the quality of them.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

This has always been the case. There's never been anything ever that says D2 wins will be excluded, but people like you, Rob, and a bunch of other FCS commentators and AGS users just parroted around what you assumed should be the case, and enough people bought into it. Same thing about the "7-win criteria". 7 D1 wins was never a requirement.

I don't think I or others would be so hard on you, Rob, if you hadn't been in everyone's mentions on twitter and every thread on here for weeks telling us how wrong we are, despite people citing evidence to the contrary. Despite what everyone wants to believe, the playoff selection process is, has been, and always will be extremely subjective.

You are incorrect. In 2014 it did say non-counters, those exact words. That is the what everyone was referring to.

So, a so-called FCS news outlet that runs a poll hadn’t bothered to check whether DII wins count for playoff consideration in nearly a decade? Subscribe today! We will bring you all the things we think are correct based on old-ass info!

Wow.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Let's make you right again Hoops. You say the Griz are better than the Cats on the line and running backs. They will defeat the Cats. I only bet on things I can control, but I will make an exception here. You try to bet but always try to twist it, so this is simple. This years Brawl.

Griz win Ex-car guy pays Hoops $500
Cats win Hoops pays Ex-car guy $500


Easy money, in fact I am Dead Money.

If for some reason the Cats get lucky, I will drive to Missoula and play you a set of 10 ball, double or nothing. Race to 9. I don't know how you play, but I will give you two on the wire and the 8, plus buy you a couple of beers. Wait, you like wine. I will bring a good bottle of Caymus, my cousin’s in-law's familiy recipe and grapes. We can celebrate.
Imagine you sitting with Bobby bragging, that you took an ex-car guys money.

By the way, I have a friend, ex-griz football player who is highly respected in his city and profession that will vouch for me if you dont trust me. Even though I have a daughter who is an attorney, I don't trust most, but I will trust you would pay me if you lose

No other offers or bets. The main bet and a chance to win it back if want. You don't have to do the double or nothing.

Nope, only betting on the spread at this point. You missed your opportunity for an even bet earlier in the season.

Let's bet on whether D2 wins are considered by the playoff committee. How many times did you tell us that playoff wins are not considered?

 

[mthoopsfan]

This is what I got from the article (paraphrased summary of my reading):

So, DII wins count and we were wrong, but other people were wrong, too, so it's not that bad. Look at this singular tweet from an AD who was also wrong. Also, even though DII wins count, they may not be as valuable, so we weren't really wrong.

Also: I was wrong "many times", despite being told by some that I was wrong. Look at the Idaho AD tweet. So what if Idaho had been FCS for a few years and the Idaho AD got his info from my frequent incorrect information. Why should a win over a two-time D2 champion that has placed multiple players in the NFL count more than a win over the very worst teams in FCS?

 

[mthoopsfan]

Hoops Translator:

Hoops is usually right. And, be careful about taking him on over something like this, because he will use his 45 years of lawyerly skills, will do his research, will contact the key people, won't give up easily, and will get to an answer. And he won't be affected by people who are saying unsupported and stupid things.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

It’s what we love about you, PR. Such a gracious winner.

We in the sports world call it taunting.

 

[AZGrizFan]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

It’s what we love about you, PR. Such a gracious winner.

We in the sports world call it taunting.

 

[uofmman1122]

This has always been the case. There's never been anything ever that says D2 wins will be excluded, but people like you, Rob, and a bunch of other FCS commentators and AGS users just parroted around what you assumed should be the case, and enough people bought into it. Same thing about the "7-win criteria". 7 D1 wins was never a requirement.

I don't think I or others would be so hard on you, Rob, if you hadn't been in everyone's mentions on twitter and every thread on here for weeks telling us how wrong we are, despite people citing evidence to the contrary. Despite what everyone wants to believe, the playoff selection process is, has been, and always will be extremely subjective.

You are incorrect. In 2014 it did say non-counters, those exact words. That is the what everyone was referring to.

What said that? Some guy’s blog? A random article someone wrote?

 

[MissoulaMarinerFan]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

It’s what we love about you, PR. Such a gracious winner.

We in the sports world call it taunting.

Jeez. Act like you’ve been there before. Just hand the ball back to the ref. Ha.

 

[mthoopsfan]

We in the sports world call it taunting.

Jeez. Act like you’ve been there before. Just hand the ball back to the ref. Ha.

Actually, I've never been on social media and have never been a big mouth on a sports message board. So, no, I haven't been there before.

 

[3-7-77]

Is eGriz considered social media? Some say yes, some say no. Inquiring minds want to know.

 

[cclarkblues]

Is eGriz considered social media? Some say yes, some say no. Inquiring minds want to know.

Probably closer to anti-social media...

 

[3-7-77]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :clap: :clap: :clap: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Oh, so true....