Honest Question

[grzz]

Put Jordan Johnson on the teams in Stitt Year 1 and Stitt Year 2 and how do you think they do?

In the race to berate or defend the Stitt hire, many have brought up Delaney's last two seasons. Some have argued Stitt took over a team in great shape while others argue poor recruiting left many positions with talent levels below our standards. Some argue both.

Whatever your stance, I think there is likely universal agreement that Jordan Johnson was better than any QB we have had on our active roster the last two years.

Perhaps Johnson helped mask roster issues. Or Gus and crew, while playing their heart out, were good but not great. Point being, if we had better talent at that one key position, would we be singing a different tune?

My guess the original question: this year we would be at least two wins better (UNC, MSU) and last year at least two wins better (Cal Poly, Weber) which likely would have meant at least one more home game or a bye.

It is the off season, let's have a little fun.

 

[BWahlberg]

Probably would've been 9-2 at the end of each season. Certainly a bye this year, probably one last year too. Would've probably had us playing the same amount of games though, a home win and then on the road to ndsu, just in rounds 2/3 instead of 1/2

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

And a good question. I am curious how people answer.

 

[OU812!]

Put Jordan Johnson on the teams in Stitt Year 1 and Stitt Year 2 and how do you think they do?

In the race to berate or defend the Stitt hire, many have brought up Delaney's last two seasons. Some have argued Stitt took over a team in great shape while others argue poor recruiting left many positions with talent levels below our standards. Some argue both.

Whatever your stance, I think there is likely universal agreement that Jordan Johnson was better than any QB we have had on our active roster the last two years.

Perhaps Johnson helped mask roster issues. Or Gus and crew, while playing their heart out, were good but not great. Point being, if we had better talent at that one key position, would we be singing a different tune?

My guess the original question: this year we would be at least two wins better (UNC, MSU) and last year at least two wins better (Cal Poly, Weber) which likely would have meant at least one more home game or a bye.

It is the off season, let's have a little fun.

I would have loved to see JJ with Henderson & Jones for more than a single season. For my money Henderson was on his way to the #1 player of recent memory before his medical issues. But that paved the way for Jamal to shine. I will say that your question created some GREAT memories of 10 to 7. 2013 was special for a lot of reasons but it also was the year that our Administration panicked & jump the gun with the NCAA.

However based upon what I know now, I would argue that Stitt would make the same errors in preparation, play calling & in game decision makings as he does currently. But I cant help but believe that Stitt's mindset would still poison that talented trio.

Dont forget this is the same coach that took an all-american returner off special teams & lined up his best WRs in the same formation for a full year making it too easy for the opposition...

He's (Stitt) turned out to be pretty stubborn & more arrogant than confident in my view. It's really disappointing to see our program in such dire straights. All because we couldnt allow for due process & show the proper patience for a coach who backed the player he recruited & knew for years before arriving in Missoula!

 

[griznative24]

I don't like JJ, but his talent is far above any QB on the roster the last two years. Such an important position the QB, and with Stitt's offense, its multiplied. I think with JJ's threat to run he would have had defenses stuck in position, and definitely could have broken a couple runs loose. Who knows. Sh!t, Brian Ah Yat would have been an upgrade.

 

[BWahlberg]

Who knows. Sh!t, Brian Ah Yat would have been an upgrade.

Ah Yat in this system would've maybe had us undefeated and the #1 seed. Not sure with the 2016 WR corps though, but 2015's? Oh hell yeah.

 

[MrTitleist]

Had this conversation with some -very- prominent eGriz posters earlier today. Johnson would have killed it in this offense, kind of like he was prepared to do when Pflugrad was here before things kind of went to hell on us. Teams could load the box on us to stop the run when they wanted because Gus was no threat to ever run. Gus busted off some runs this year, but they were more of a surprise than anything. Stitt's last few years at Mines his QBs were running for about 600'ish yards and half a dozen scores or so. That wrinkle to the offense would have been nice this year to open up the passing game a bit. Johnson would have succeeded with this year's and last year's receivers.. they probably wouldn't have needed a rocket up their ass to catch so many passes.

 

[RobGriz]

Had this conversation with some -very- prominent eGriz posters earlier today. Johnson would have killed it in this offense, kind of like he was prepared to do when Pflugrad was here before things kind of went to hell on us. Teams could load the box on us to stop the run when they wanted because Gus was no threat to ever run. Gus busted off some runs this year, but they were more of a surprise than anything. Stitt's last few years at Mines his QBs were running for about 600'ish yards and half a dozen scores or so. That wrinkle to the offense would have been nice this year to open up the passing game a bit. Johnson would have succeeded with this year's and last year's receivers.. they probably wouldn't have needed a rocket up their ass to catch so many passes.

Absolutely.

 

[griznative24]

Who knows. Sh!t, Brian Ah Yat would have been an upgrade.

Ah Yat in this system would've maybe had us undefeated and the #1 seed. Not sure with the 2016 WR corps though, but 2015's? Oh hell yeah.

In hindsight Ah Yat would have dominated. Now Andre Selle is a good question. Couldn't run but he sure as hell could throw!

 

[grzz]

Had this conversation with some -very- prominent eGriz posters earlier today. Johnson would have killed it in this offense, kind of like he was prepared to do when Pflugrad was here before things kind of went to hell on us. Teams could load the box on us to stop the run when they wanted because Gus was no threat to ever run. Gus busted off some runs this year, but they were more of a surprise than anything. Stitt's last few years at Mines his QBs were running for about 600'ish yards and half a dozen scores or so. That wrinkle to the offense would have been nice this year to open up the passing game a bit. Johnson would have succeeded with this year's and last year's receivers.. they probably wouldn't have needed a rocket up their ass to catch so many passes.

Be prepared to rehash this whole conversation later this week.

I think it is reasonable to think this offense will get better with Stitt's hand picked guy, much like RP took off with his guy JJ. We shall see. There are some parallels between the situations. Johnson was entering his second year in the program as is Jensen.

As the season has gone on, I have more firmly felt he needs to run with Jensen from the start next year. Unless a drop down the caliber of Ochs or Miller falls out of the sky, he should go with the guy coming up through the program. The pressure to win may lead him to plug in a transfer, but I wonder what that does to the fragile leadership structure the team appears to have.

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[brewskis]

Finding the QB is going to be the key to this team. That's why I'm okay seeing us bring in QB's in mass quantities. It can be hard to tell which one will be the guy.

I guess right now I'd wager it will be the Blinn QB or Bea.


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[grzz]

Finding the QB is going to be the key to this team. That's why I'm okay seeing us bring in QB's in mass quantities. It can be hard to tell which one will be the guy.

I guess right now I'd wager it will be the Blinn QB or Bea.


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Out of curiosity, why Bea and not Jensen?

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[brewskis]

Finding the QB is going to be the key to this team. That's why I'm okay seeing us bring in QB's in mass quantities. It can be hard to tell which one will be the guy.

I guess right now I'd wager it will be the Blinn QB or Bea.


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Out of curiosity, why Bea and not Jensen?

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Gut feeling. Not based off anything that concrete. Although, if the Blinn QB has the brain for the offense and an accurate, consistent arm.....he will be a monster here. Physically, he'll be the most talented QB we've had in a long time.


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[MrTitleist]

Had this conversation with some -very- prominent eGriz posters earlier today. Johnson would have killed it in this offense, kind of like he was prepared to do when Pflugrad was here before things kind of went to hell on us. Teams could load the box on us to stop the run when they wanted because Gus was no threat to ever run. Gus busted off some runs this year, but they were more of a surprise than anything. Stitt's last few years at Mines his QBs were running for about 600'ish yards and half a dozen scores or so. That wrinkle to the offense would have been nice this year to open up the passing game a bit. Johnson would have succeeded with this year's and last year's receivers.. they probably wouldn't have needed a rocket up their ass to catch so many passes.

Be prepared to rehash this whole conversation later this week.

A meeting with another prominent group of eGrizzers!

 

[bgbigdog]

Had this conversation with some -very- prominent eGriz posters earlier today. Johnson would have killed it in this offense, kind of like he was prepared to do when Pflugrad was here before things kind of went to hell on us. Teams could load the box on us to stop the run when they wanted because Gus was no threat to ever run. Gus busted off some runs this year, but they were more of a surprise than anything. Stitt's last few years at Mines his QBs were running for about 600'ish yards and half a dozen scores or so. That wrinkle to the offense would have been nice this year to open up the passing game a bit. Johnson would have succeeded with this year's and last year's receivers.. they probably wouldn't have needed a rocket up their ass to catch so many passes.

Be prepared to rehash this whole conversation later this week.

A meeting with another prominent group of eGrizzers!

Is that like a "members" only thing with jackets, secret handshakes and all?

 

[grzz]

Had this conversation with some -very- prominent eGriz posters earlier today. Johnson would have killed it in this offense, kind of like he was prepared to do when Pflugrad was here before things kind of went to hell on us. Teams could load the box on us to stop the run when they wanted because Gus was no threat to ever run. Gus busted off some runs this year, but they were more of a surprise than anything. Stitt's last few years at Mines his QBs were running for about 600'ish yards and half a dozen scores or so. That wrinkle to the offense would have been nice this year to open up the passing game a bit. Johnson would have succeeded with this year's and last year's receivers.. they probably wouldn't have needed a rocket up their ass to catch so many passes.

Be prepared to rehash this whole conversation later this week.

A meeting with another prominent group of eGrizzers!

Is that like a "members" only thing with jackets, secret handshakes and all?

Fuck, are there jackets and you didn't tell me? WTF man?

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[grizpack]

Had this conversation with some -very- prominent eGriz posters earlier today. Johnson would have killed it in this offense, kind of like he was prepared to do when Pflugrad was here before things kind of went to hell on us. Teams could load the box on us to stop the run when they wanted because Gus was no threat to ever run. Gus busted off some runs this year, but they were more of a surprise than anything. Stitt's last few years at Mines his QBs were running for about 600'ish yards and half a dozen scores or so. That wrinkle to the offense would have been nice this year to open up the passing game a bit. Johnson would have succeeded with this year's and last year's receivers.. they probably wouldn't have needed a rocket up their ass to catch so many passes.

Be prepared to rehash this whole conversation later this week.

A meeting with another prominent group of eGrizzers!

Is that like a "members" only thing with jackets, secret handshakes and all?

I used to have a "Members Only" jacket. Only us old guys will really get that.

A couple of the people who were familiar with Stitt's offense at CSM have said that the Griz offense is nothing close to what he ran there. Not sure if it is a personnel problem, better defenses, or what.

I am hoping this offense has to have the right QB to run it. I am concerned whether we have that guy or not. Does he exist? I think JJ could run about any offense designed. Same with Ah Yat.

 

[grizzly bob 70]

While I believe having a mobile accurate QB like JJ would have made a significant difference it does not solve a few of the major issues of this team.
1. O-line- While I see progress in the o-line and believe JJ would have masked the deficiencies, we need huge improvement from this group to be competitive.
2. Defense- JJ would have impact on this area from a TOP and ball control but the issue of schemes is not resolved. When we stop thinking we are smarter than the game and physics and get the d-line into a 3 or 4 point stance so we have leverage up front and stop getting blown off the ball we will get better. It was like a knife to the heart to read Chotes comments about "they like to play in a 2 point stance and therefore we thought we could run". Wow, I wonder why we didn't think of that!
3. Heart- I love the intensity and leadership JJ brought to the team but not sure where the heart went, especially for the cat game, but was missing in the last 4. As long as we are in love with scheme and are not focused on as well on energy and emotion, I am not sure if JJ would be able to impact he rest of the team enough to stop the bleeding.

 

[grzz]

Be prepared to rehash this whole conversation later this week.

A meeting with another prominent group of eGrizzers!

Is that like a "members" only thing with jackets, secret handshakes and all?

I used to have a "Members Only" jacket. Only us old guys will really get that.

A couple of the people who were familiar with Stitt's offense at CSM have said that the Griz offense is nothing close to what he ran there. Not sure if it is a personnel problem, better defenses, or what.

I am hoping this offense has to have the right QB to run it. I am concerned whether we have that guy or not. Does he exist? I think JJ could run about any offense designed. Same with Ah Yat.

Is there any film out there that illustrates his offense at CSM?

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[Eriul]

Assuming he understood the offense? JJ woulda done well. Obviously he was more gifted than our qb's in many areas. He was mobile but was not a check 1 and run QB like Chalich. A very large amount of the defense relies on the QB reading the defense and checking to the right play which Brady did well more often than not. It's impossible to say if JJ would have done as well in that field.

JJ's amazing ability to be mobile if needed but only if needed is what would have made this offense click. Fact of the matter is our O-line was horrendous and Brady's immobility forced a lot of bad situations

So yah our team probably would have been better off with JJ instead of Brady but I think you could easily make the argument that if we had the O-line we had in the Hauck years we would be near undefeated. I mean... There are clear stats that indicate the lower amount of time you have in the pocket the worse of a passer your QB will be. I doubt our O-line gave more than maybe 20 plays all year with longer than 4 seconds.