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Hero Sport’’s Sam Herder hits the nail on the head

uptopgriz said:
bgbigdog said:
You're. And I did mis-speak, thanks for pointing that out. I should have said that here are folks getting Pell grants at Ferris who are further subsidized for scholarly college activities, by the state. That is a fact.

As for delusional, we'll see. But I won't concern myself with criticism from someone who wrote the following about the QB's after game two:


Vidlak is no better than Brown? You are, or you're, your choice, clearly delusional if you believe that. So I guess we both get to be delusional.

Here's another fact for you. Athletes at both UM and MSU are also subsidized by outside funds, that's not unique to Ferris.

So what you are saying is the actual athletic scholarship difference between D2 and FCS really is a big nothing burger because the schools find ways to subsidize money for athletes to attend. So it is possible for a D2 to recruit just like a FCS school?
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
uptopgriz said:
Here's another fact for you. Athletes at both UM and MSU are also subsidized by outside funds, that's not unique to Ferris.

So what you are saying is the actual athletic scholarship difference between D2 and FCS really is a big nothing burger because the schools find ways to subsidize money for athletes to attend. So it is possible for a D2 to recruit just like a FCS school?

Careful, HHB, he HATES facts that don't align with his narrative.
 
The state of Michigan has 5 universities that play FBS football. It has ZERO universities at the FCS level and 9 at the D2 level. The state has a population of 10 million so I would think the D2 level is getting some pretty good talent. My biggest concern is only putting up 197 yards of O. Yes, I know they have 3 guys on their D with NFL caliber talent but that is still not a lot of offense given our weapons. The Griz scored with short fields but that will not happen in every game, so our OC needs to get the balls to more of our guys. If not, it will be a repeat of last year where the D gets tired as they are living on the field all game long. Herder is underestimating Ferris but not wrong if Montana can't generate O in conference.
 
putter said:
The state of Michigan has 5 universities that play FBS football. It has ZERO universities at the FCS level and 9 at the D2 level. The state has a population of 10 million so I would think the D2 level is getting some pretty good talent. My biggest concern is only putting up 197 yards of O. Yes, I know they have 3 guys on their D with NFL caliber talent but that is still not a lot of offense given our weapons. The Griz scored with short fields but that will not happen in every game, so our OC needs to get the balls to more of our guys. If not, it will be a repeat of last year where the D gets tired as they are living on the field all game long. Herder is underestimating Ferris but not wrong if Montana can't generate O in conference.

Excellent observations. Hopefully the offense coordinator returns from his leave of senses soon.
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
uptopgriz said:
Here's another fact for you. Athletes at both UM and MSU are also subsidized by outside funds, that's not unique to Ferris.

So what you are saying is the actual athletic scholarship difference between D2 and FCS really is a big nothing burger because the schools find ways to subsidize money for athletes to attend. So it is possible for a D2 to recruit just like a FCS school?

Ferris recruits way “better” than Griz. I heard Ferris has a handful of drop downs that were kicked out FBS schools. , and that the stud DE had a felony at Illinois. Many other kids that flunked out of other schools. The Griz can’t recruit those types.
 
mthoopsfan said:
HelenaHandBasket said:
So what you are saying is the actual athletic scholarship difference between D2 and FCS really is a big nothing burger because the schools find ways to subsidize money for athletes to attend. So it is possible for a D2 to recruit just like a FCS school?

Ferris recruits way “better” than Griz. I heard Ferris has a handful of drop downs that were kicked out FBS schools. , and that the stud DE had a felony at Illinois. Many other kids that flunked out of other schools. The Griz can’t recruit those types.

Ferris students arrested
The Ferris State Torch
https://fsutorch.com › 2014/05/14 › ferris-students-arr...
May 14, 2014 — The three students have each been charged with four felonies: one count of first-degree home invasion and three counts of second degree home ...

Ferris student charged with possession of felony firearms

Big Rapids Pioneer
https://www.bigrapidsnews.com › Local News
Nov 14, 2019 — BIG RAPIDS — A Ferris State University student faces charges in Mecosta County's 77th District Court for possession of a stolen handgun.

PS-"the deed" = se*ual

Ferris student arrested for criminal sexual conduct

Big Rapids Pioneer
https://www.bigrapidsnews.com › Local News
Dec 9, 2015 — BIG RAPIDS — A Ferris State University student is facing two charges of criminal sexual conduct for two incidents at Ferris State University.

Ferris State hockey player charged with sexual assault of a ...

Big Rapids Daily News
https://bigrapidsdailynews.com › breaking-news
A Ferris State University hockey player has been charged with three felonies for an alleged sexual assault of a female student. 23-year old Darren Smith of ...

Ferris State University Campus Safety and Security

College Tuition Compare
https://www.collegetuitioncompare.com › edu › camp...
At Ferris State University, 15 criminal offenses are reported including rape, fondling, incest, statutory rape, robbery, aggravated assault, burglary, motor ...

It ain't just the football team, its the campus culture.
 
https://www.shawlocal.com/2020/01/22/former-illinois-football-player-oladipo-violated-5-student-codes-no-longer-enrolled-at-university/api86mm/
 
“In August, University of Illinois juniorHana Inman returned home to Bourbonnais with "bruising on her neck, arms and legs" – and her mother wanted to know why.

Inman, 20, told her mother, Cassandra Johnson, that she had been in a fight with her ex-boyfriend, Illinois defensive lineman Olalere "Lere" Oladipo. Her daughter's story prompted Johnson to call the Champaign Police Department on Aug. 31.

According to a Champaign police report obtained by the Northwest Herald, Johnson also told police that Inman had previous 2018 domestic battery charges against Oladipo dropped "because she was pressured to by coaches and friends of Olalere."
 
Herder’s Hero Sports reminds me of Colter’s skyline sports on an economy of scale.

Both business models are based on generating clicks from Griz fans. One got a head start.
 
AZGrizFan said:
HelenaHandBasket said:
So what you are saying is the actual athletic scholarship difference between D2 and FCS really is a big nothing burger because the schools find ways to subsidize money for athletes to attend. So it is possible for a D2 to recruit just like a FCS school?

Careful, HHB, he HATES facts that don't align with his narrative.

Not a chance. Griz start with 27 more scholarships--their money goes further. They need to find less money. However, I'm guessing the Griz athletic department doesn't even know the outside funds exists. When I ran program a few years ago, MSU athletes were getting the funds. It even paid to put tires on their vehicles.
 
Robsnotes4u said:
Herder, who picked the Griz to win by 21-24 hits the nail on the head with his poll and paragraph on the Griz.

https://herosports.com/fcs-top-25-sam-herder-ballot-9-18-2023-bzbz/


I am grateful to again have a vote in the Stats Perform FCS Top 25 media poll for the 2023 season. I’ll publish my ballot every week and provide some reasoning for my order.

Notes at the bottom.

FCS Top 25
South Dakota State
North Dakots State
Montana State
Holy Cross
Idaho
Sacramento State
Furman
Incarnate Word
William & Mary
Weber State
Southern Illinois
SEMO
North Carolina Central
New Hampshire
North Dakota
Western Carolina
UC Davis
Florida A&M
Rhode Island
Youngstown State
Montana
Samford
Delaware
Eastern Washington
Central Arkansas
Leaving: Southeastern Louisiana University, Gardner-Webb
Entering: Delaware, Eastern Washington

Moving into my Top 25 are EWU and Delaware. Moving out are SLU and Gardner-Webb. EWU beat ranked SLU this last weekend and also had a 2OT loss at Fresno State the week before, a good FBS G5 squad. Delaware has been on my radar and nearly made my preseason Top 25, and it has cruised past its two FCS opponents Stony Brook and Saint Francis. Gardner-Webb lost to TN State, who just missed the cut.

I kept UCA in at No. 25, even though the Bears were losing pretty decisively for most of the game at NDSU. The final was 49-31, but NDSU held a 49-17 lead early in the fourth quarter. I almost put ACU in at No. 25 with its 2-1 record and close loss vs. a Top 10 UIW team. But looking ahead to this upcoming weekend, I’d favor UCA at home over ACU.

Other movement includes Montana dropping a few spots after squeaking by D2 Ferris State 17-10. Now, Ferris State is an elite D2 team, the two-time defending national champs, is ranked No. 1, and would beat a good number of FCS teams. But Montana still has 63 scholarships to Ferris State’s 36, has way more resources to be a routine top-tier FCS team, and it was in Missoula. And two weeks after having a competitive game against non-scholarship Butler, it raises questions about just how good Montana is. Put their resume on another team’s helmet, and they may not be ranked at all. The Griz still have talent, though, and plenty known names remain that have contributed big-time on past playoff teams. So I’ll keep them in my top 25. Comparing scores is dangerous, but as a “how should a ranked FCS team play against a top D2 team” barometer, FAMU beat D2 No. 4 West Florida 31-10 Saturday.

Other movement saw SIU move up a few more spots after a great road win at SEMO, who didn’t drop too far in a down-to-the-wire game.

Sac State also rose a few spots in the Top 10 after beating FBS P5 Stanford, a result that I called happening back in August (not to brag).

UIW also ended up jumping W&M in the Top 10. UIW made it through a good road test at ACU, who was a 7-win team last year. W&M squeaked by a competitive but overall struggling Charleston Southern program.

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The Top 5 so far is looking like the strongest the FCS has had in several years.

SDSU is the most talented FCS team since 2019. NDSU is crushing non-conference opponents (two of which will be on a lot of ballots this week in EWU and UCA) like past championship teams did instead of doing some ho-humming through its schedule like recent squads. Montana State was literally an inch away from beating SDSU in Brookings and looks to have the play in the trenches to compete in the top tier. Holy Cross was a foot away from beating P5 Boston College two weeks ago, cruised past the Ivy League favorite Yale last week, and arguably has the best QB (Matthew Sluka) and LB (Jacob Dobbs) in the FCS right now. And Idaho is living up to the hype offensively, is playing much better than expected defensively, dominated FBS Nevada 33-6 two weeks ago, and was up 17-0 at P5 Cal this last week before things snowballed and lost 31-17.

The next five are looking good as well. Sac State just beat a P5 team in Stanford. Furman still has a loaded roster looking to make further noise in the playoffs. UIW is starting to click and looking better every week. W&M has mostly everyone back from last year’s quarterfinal team. And Weber State looks like it’ll reload once again after some offseason questions.

Every year around this time, we talk about how there looks to be more parity than in past seasons. That usually doesn’t play out come playoff time. We’ll see if it does this year or not. But right now, the FCS is shaping up to be a fun race to the top.
Meh. Its early. Sam doesnt know anymore than the drunk guy at the Sports bar with biscuits n gravy in his beard.
 
uofmman1122 said:
Ok Rob, you're right.

We suck.

We don't deserve to be ranked.

Ferris is a poop team because they're a D2 school.

We're paper tigers who have a ton of problems and will struggle to win 7 games this season.

What do you want any of us to do about it? Should we pack it in and start worrying about 2024?

Do you want to revisit? I guess Sam was right
 
Robsnotes4u said:
uofmman1122 said:
Ok Rob, you're right.

We suck.

We don't deserve to be ranked.

Ferris is a poop team because they're a D2 school.

We're paper tigers who have a ton of problems and will struggle to win 7 games this season.

What do you want any of us to do about it? Should we pack it in and start worrying about 2024?

Do you want to revisit? I guess Sam was right
What do I need to revisit? What do you want me to do about the fact that our team is dogshit?
 
get'em_griz said:
PDXGrizzly said:
I think it’s more to do with where people expect the Griz to be vs. where they actually are. We claim to be a premier football school in the FCS. By that measuring stick we are judged. Regardless of who it is, squeaking out a win vs a D2 school is not a good look. Ferris might be good enough to be a quarterfinal team in the FCS, but since they carry that D2 label, they must be blown out horribly in order to appease. Anything less is an abysmal failure.

Hats off to Coach Annese, tho. He’s got a hell of a team. Maybe we should make some inroads into Michigan and get some beef! I’m sure with the resources the Griz have, we can get some big, mean, and nasty hogmollies. Both sides of the ball!

That's the problem... People can't, or are unwilling, to look past that D2 label. They just want to trash Montana because the expectations for this program are so high. It's astounding how many people trash Montana for "squeaking by" a D-2 program when that Ferris State is better than 80% of the teams that have come into WA-Griz in recent memory. People for whatever reason can't objectively look at the facts that Ferris State is not a typical D-2 program (I find it ironic that FCS fans do this to good D2 teams, but also get butthurt when FBS fans do the exact same thing to us). I would venture to guess that everyone who is piling on either, 1) Hates the Griz, and/or 2) only looked at the box score and did not watch the game.

Had they actually watched the game, they would have seen just how big and fast that Ferris team squad was. IMO, they would be very competitive in the Big Sky and FCS.

Are your thoughts the same now?
 
Robsnotes4u said:
get'em_griz said:
That's the problem... People can't, or are unwilling, to look past that D2 label. They just want to trash Montana because the expectations for this program are so high. It's astounding how many people trash Montana for "squeaking by" a D-2 program when that Ferris State is better than 80% of the teams that have come into WA-Griz in recent memory. People for whatever reason can't objectively look at the facts that Ferris State is not a typical D-2 program (I find it ironic that FCS fans do this to good D2 teams, but also get butthurt when FBS fans do the exact same thing to us). I would venture to guess that everyone who is piling on either, 1) Hates the Griz, and/or 2) only looked at the box score and did not watch the game.

Had they actually watched the game, they would have seen just how big and fast that Ferris team squad was. IMO, they would be very competitive in the Big Sky and FCS.

Are your thoughts the same now?

Are you going to bump every post in this thread? Ferris can be a good team AND the Griz can suck…it’s not mutually exclusive. Try being a better human.
 
get'em_griz said:
uptopgriz said:
Your delusional to think Ferris has anywhere near the talent of MSU or the other top teams in the Big Sky. The state of Michigan is subsidizing Pell grants? :lol:

It's not far-fetched to say that Ferris State has talent that could compete well with other top teams in the Big Sky. Watching them play live, they looked every bit as big and talented as the top half of the Big Sky. In my opinion, they were better than 80% of teams we've seen come into WA-Grizzly in several years. If they played the Cats, they would absolutely give them a game. The Cats probably do have more talent overall, but the drop-off is not very big.

Ferris is good, but they are perceived better due to the name recognition of the Griz. What are your thoughts now that the Griz were demolished by an 0-3 cellar dweller, NAU?
 
AZGrizFan said:
Robsnotes4u said:
Are your thoughts the same now?

Are you going to bump every post in this thread? Ferris can be a good team AND the Griz can suck…it’s not mutually exclusive. Try being a better human.

Admit the truth Herder was right. It is that simple.
 
Robsnotes4u said:
AZGrizFan said:
Are you going to bump every post in this thread? Ferris can be a good team AND the Griz can suck…it’s not mutually exclusive. Try being a better human.

Admit the truth Herder was right. It is that simple.

Even a broke clock is right twice a day.
 

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