Hero Sport’’s Sam Herder hits the nail on the head

[AZGrizFan]

No he didn’t. ANY team that’s 3-0 at this point in the season is getting ranked. Period. End of story. People have such higher expectations for the Griz that they tend to UNDER rank them rather than over rank them.

Pre-Jay Hill Weber State would not be ranked at 3-0 with Montana's schedule. Fact.

And UNI would be ranked at 1-2, so there's that.

But seriously folks, was there a year where Weber was 3-0 and NOT ranked?

 

[uofmman1122]

Pre-Jay Hill Weber State would not be ranked at 3-0 with Montana's schedule. Fact.

And UNI would be ranked at 1-2, so there's that.

But seriously folks, was there a year where Weber was 3-0 and NOT ranked?

Since 2003, they've only gone 3-0 to start a season twice, and were ranked in both of them.

#3 for the week 6 STATS poll in the 2020 spring season and #12 for the week 3 STATS poll in the 2022 season.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Good post. Some of the naysayers don’t understand football either.

Would you get off the "posters don't understand football" thingy, Jack? So you played with leather helmets 60 years ago, and now think you invented the game. If we could buy you for what you know, and sell you for what you THINK you know, we would all be multi-millionaires.
Based upon some of your laughable posts, you don't know jack, Jack.

At least, I never lied about playing college sports, like you have.

 

[Hurdlingriz]

Exactly. He really hit the nail on the head. There’s no excuse

Sorry but no, every playoff we find out that the Big Sky and MVFC are just plain better. No one is putting money on Florida A and M over Montana, yet Herder has them ahead. It's not based on talent, it's based on the media and most of em don't know shit.

 

[griz4life]

I could be wrong, but isn't it Herder's outfit that conducts the poll? I believe it is.

And what do you call a poll where the folks conducting the poll front load respondents with an opinion before collecting the response? That's what's known as a push poll, folks.

Whether Sam Herder's two bits validate your own beliefs or not, his two bits being offered to voters before the ballots are casts, makes the Hero Sports media poll a push poll by the very definition of what a push poll is.

 

[AZGrizFan]

And UNI would be ranked at 1-2, so there's that.

But seriously folks, was there a year where Weber was 3-0 and NOT ranked?

Since 2003, they've only gone 3-0 to start a season twice, and were ranked in both of them.

#3 for the week 6 STATS poll in the 2020 spring season and #12 for the week 3 STATS poll in the 2022 season.

Thanks. So Wildcatfan was wrong. :lol: :lol: Apparently it was NOT a "FACT".

 

[uofmman1122]

Since 2003, they've only gone 3-0 to start a season twice, and were ranked in both of them.

#3 for the week 6 STATS poll in the 2020 spring season and #12 for the week 3 STATS poll in the 2022 season.

Thanks. So Wildcatfan was wrong. :lol: :lol: Apparently it was NOT a "FACT".

To be fair, he did say "pre-Jay Hill" and these were both Hill teams.

But yeah, 3-0 pre-Jay Hill Weber might not have been ranked based solely on the fact that they were never good enough to ever start 3-0. :lol:

 

[IdaGriz01]

I could be wrong, but isn't it Herder's outfit that conducts the poll? I believe it is.

And what do you call a poll where the folks conducting the poll front load respondents with an opinion before collecting the response? That's what's known as a push poll, folks.

Whether Sam Herder's two bits validate your own beliefs or not, his two bits being offered to voters before the ballots are casts, makes the Hero Sports media poll a push poll by the very definition of what a push poll is.

Nope.

Go back and read his original post. Herder (a graduate of NDSU, BTW) is associated with Hero Sports [herosports.com) and he has one vote in the STATS Perform media poll conducted by "The Analyst" (theanalyst.com). If you read Haley's long article about the poll you will find (at the end) a complete list of the pollsters. Herder is categorized as one among a bunch of "National Representatives." The Big Sky voters are Doug Kelly, Tyson Rodgers, and Larry Weir. I have no idea who those folks are or how they were chosen.

 

[griz4life]

I could be wrong, but isn't it Herder's outfit that conducts the poll? I believe it is.

And what do you call a poll where the folks conducting the poll front load respondents with an opinion before collecting the response? That's what's known as a push poll, folks.

Whether Sam Herder's two bits validate your own beliefs or not, his two bits being offered to voters before the ballots are casts, makes the Hero Sports media poll a push poll by the very definition of what a push poll is.

Nope.

Go back and read his original post. Herder (a graduate of NDSU, BTW) is associated with Hero Sports [herosports.com) and he has one vote in the STATS Perform media poll conducted by "The Analyst" (theanalyst.com). If you read Haley's long article about the poll you will find (at the end) a complete list of the pollsters. Herder is categorized as one among a bunch of "National Representatives." The Big Sky voters are Doug Kelly, Tyson Rodgers, and Larry Weir. I have no idea who those folks are or how they were chosen.

Thanks.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Thanks. So Wildcatfan was wrong. :lol: :lol: Apparently it was NOT a "FACT".

To be fair, he did say "pre-Jay Hill" and these were both Hill teams.

But yeah, 3-0 pre-Jay Hill Weber might not have been ranked based solely on the fact that they were never good enough to ever start 3-0. :lol:

Well I’ll stand by my assertion, given that your stat goes back 20 years. That like an entire epoch in football terms.

 

[WILDCATFAN]

Since 2003, they've only gone 3-0 to start a season twice, and were ranked in both of them.

#3 for the week 6 STATS poll in the 2020 spring season and #12 for the week 3 STATS poll in the 2022 season.

Thanks. So Wildcatfan was wrong. :lol: :lol: Apparently it was NOT a "FACT".

Well I did say PRE-HILL and 2020 and 2022 were both years with Hill so I'm gonna say No I wasnt. The Hill coached Wildcats had name recognition because of what they've accomplished with him. So I'll say it again. When Weber was a middle of the pack to bottom dweller school in the conference year in and year out BEFORE Hill was hired and got the name recognition they would not be ranked in the top 25 with Montana's current preseason schedule.

 

[bgbigdog]

Ferris is a top twenty-five FCS team masquerading as a D2 School. And yes, they do only have 35 football scholarships, but in Michigan the state subsidizes Pell Grants and other forms of aid to a pretty wide swath of college kids at schools, including athletes at Ferris. So it's unlikely they have any number of kid who are paying their own way.

Sam has decided, like many on the board during the runup to this game, that D2 is D2 for a reason. That there is a clear delination between them and D3, or the FCS. That they were inferior talent. I think he should know better than this, but it seems like he doesn't. I've said it in other spots, there were four guys on the defensive line for Ferris who could have started for any FCS team in the country. Oladipo is a draft pick in 2024. This is the best group they will face all year, better than any FCS team they play, by a lot. Their offensive line was likely as good as any they will see as well, including bozeman. The best teams have good fronts, thus their success over the years.

I think the best thing that could have happened to them this non-con season is for them to have played a team of the caliber of Ferris. I think they understand where the problems are, what needs to be fixed, accentuated, and leaned on harder. I could care less what their poll rating is in September. The only ones that matter occur in November. So I'll wait to see what it looks like then.

 

[uptopgriz]

Ferris is a top twenty-five FCS team masquerading as a D2 School. And yes, they do only have 35 football scholarships, but in Michigan the state subsidizes Pell Grants and other forms of aid to a pretty wide swath of college kids at schools, including athletes at Ferris. So it's unlikely they have any number of kid who are paying their own way.

Sam has decided, like many on the board during the runup to this game, that D2 is D2 for a reason. That there is a clear delination between them and D3, or the FCS. That they were inferior talent. I think he should know better than this, but it seems like he doesn't. I've said it in other spots, there were four guys on the defensive line for Ferris who could have started for any FCS team in the country. Oladipo is a draft pick in 2024. This is the best group they will face all year, better than any FCS team they play, by a lot. Their offensive line was likely as good as any they will see as well, including bozeman. The best teams have good fronts, thus their success over the years.

I think the best thing that could have happened to them this non-con season is for them to have played a team of the caliber of Ferris. I think they understand where the problems are, what needs to be fixed, accentuated, and leaned on harder. I could care less what their poll rating is in September. The only ones that matter occur in November. So I'll wait to see what it looks like then.

Your delusional to think Ferris has anywhere near the talent of MSU or the other top teams in the Big Sky. The state of Michigan is subsidizing Pell grants? :lol:

 

[get'em_griz]

Ferris is a top twenty-five FCS team masquerading as a D2 School. And yes, they do only have 35 football scholarships, but in Michigan the state subsidizes Pell Grants and other forms of aid to a pretty wide swath of college kids at schools, including athletes at Ferris. So it's unlikely they have any number of kid who are paying their own way.

Sam has decided, like many on the board during the runup to this game, that D2 is D2 for a reason. That there is a clear delination between them and D3, or the FCS. That they were inferior talent. I think he should know better than this, but it seems like he doesn't. I've said it in other spots, there were four guys on the defensive line for Ferris who could have started for any FCS team in the country. Oladipo is a draft pick in 2024. This is the best group they will face all year, better than any FCS team they play, by a lot. Their offensive line was likely as good as any they will see as well, including bozeman. The best teams have good fronts, thus their success over the years.

I think the best thing that could have happened to them this non-con season is for them to have played a team of the caliber of Ferris. I think they understand where the problems are, what needs to be fixed, accentuated, and leaned on harder. I could care less what their poll rating is in September. The only ones that matter occur in November. So I'll wait to see what it looks like then.

Your delusional to think Ferris has anywhere near the talent of MSU or the other top teams in the Big Sky. The state of Michigan is subsidizing Pell grants? :lol:

It's not far-fetched to say that Ferris State has talent that could compete well with other top teams in the Big Sky. Watching them play live, they looked every bit as big and talented as the top half of the Big Sky. In my opinion, they were better than 80% of teams we've seen come into WA-Grizzly in several years. If they played the Cats, they would absolutely give them a game. The Cats probably do have more talent overall, but the drop-off is not very big.

 

[Da Boyz Mom]

Ferris is a top twenty-five FCS team masquerading as a D2 School. And yes, they do only have 35 football scholarships, but in Michigan the state subsidizes Pell Grants and other forms of aid to a pretty wide swath of college kids at schools, including athletes at Ferris. So it's unlikely they have any number of kid who are paying their own way.

Sam has decided, like many on the board during the runup to this game, that D2 is D2 for a reason. That there is a clear delination between them and D3, or the FCS. That they were inferior talent. I think he should know better than this, but it seems like he doesn't. I've said it in other spots, there were four guys on the defensive line for Ferris who could have started for any FCS team in the country. Oladipo is a draft pick in 2024. This is the best group they will face all year, better than any FCS team they play, by a lot. Their offensive line was likely as good as any they will see as well, including bozeman. The best teams have good fronts, thus their success over the years.

I think the best thing that could have happened to them this non-con season is for them to have played a team of the caliber of Ferris. I think they understand where the problems are, what needs to be fixed, accentuated, and leaned on harder. I could care less what their poll rating is in September. The only ones that matter occur in November. So I'll wait to see what it looks like then.

Your delusional to think Ferris has anywhere near the talent of MSU or the other top teams in the Big Sky. The state of Michigan is subsidizing Pell grants? :lol:

Listen to Nuanez Now first hour yesterday (you can find it on Spotify, etc.). Colter explains how the state of Michigan gets schools more money based on minority enrollment. He had a good explanation of how Ferris State players are probably getting as much money as FCS players. It's just like how the Ivies don't provide athletic scholarships but unless their parents are ultra wealthy, athletes are getting money in other ways. There's more than one way to skin a cat.

 

[bgbigdog]

Ferris is a top twenty-five FCS team masquerading as a D2 School. And yes, they do only have 35 football scholarships, but in Michigan the state subsidizes Pell Grants and other forms of aid to a pretty wide swath of college kids at schools, including athletes at Ferris. So it's unlikely they have any number of kid who are paying their own way.

Sam has decided, like many on the board during the runup to this game, that D2 is D2 for a reason. That there is a clear delination between them and D3, or the FCS. That they were inferior talent. I think he should know better than this, but it seems like he doesn't. I've said it in other spots, there were four guys on the defensive line for Ferris who could have started for any FCS team in the country. Oladipo is a draft pick in 2024. This is the best group they will face all year, better than any FCS team they play, by a lot. Their offensive line was likely as good as any they will see as well, including bozeman. The best teams have good fronts, thus their success over the years.

I think the best thing that could have happened to them this non-con season is for them to have played a team of the caliber of Ferris. I think they understand where the problems are, what needs to be fixed, accentuated, and leaned on harder. I could care less what their poll rating is in September. The only ones that matter occur in November. So I'll wait to see what it looks like then.

Your delusional to think Ferris has anywhere near the talent of MSU or the other top teams in the Big Sky. The state of Michigan is subsidizing Pell grants? :lol:

You're. And I did mis-speak, thanks for pointing that out. I should have said that here are folks getting Pell grants at Ferris who are further subsidized for scholarly college activities, by the state. That is a fact.

As for delusional, we'll see. But I won't concern myself with criticism from someone who wrote the following about the QB's after game two:

Thanks for the write up BW. I don't think a judgement about the effectiveness of our running game can be made until we actually play a competitive team. I don't think either qb is going to be quality teams this year. McDowell is not an effective passer and Vidlak is no better than Brown. I would like to see how Hout is developing.

Vidlak is no better than Brown? You are, or you're, your choice, clearly delusional if you believe that. So I guess we both get to be delusional.

 

[uptopgriz]

Your delusional to think Ferris has anywhere near the talent of MSU or the other top teams in the Big Sky. The state of Michigan is subsidizing Pell grants? :lol:

You're. And I did mis-speak, thanks for pointing that out. I should have said that here are folks getting Pell grants at Ferris who are further subsidized for scholarly college activities, by the state. That is a fact.

As for delusional, we'll see. But I won't concern myself with criticism from someone who wrote the following about the QB's after game two:

Thanks for the write up BW. I don't think a judgement about the effectiveness of our running game can be made until we actually play a competitive team. I don't think either qb is going to be quality teams this year. McDowell is not an effective passer and Vidlak is no better than Brown. I would like to see how Hout is developing.

Vidlak is no better than Brown? You are, or you're, your choice, clearly delusional if you believe that. So I guess we both get to be delusional.

You mean all 105 yards he had throwing this past weekend?

 

[uptopgriz]

Your delusional to think Ferris has anywhere near the talent of MSU or the other top teams in the Big Sky. The state of Michigan is subsidizing Pell grants? :lol:

You're. And I did mis-speak, thanks for pointing that out. I should have said that here are folks getting Pell grants at Ferris who are further subsidized for scholarly college activities, by the state. That is a fact.

As for delusional, we'll see. But I won't concern myself with criticism from someone who wrote the following about the QB's after game two:

Thanks for the write up BW. I don't think a judgement about the effectiveness of our running game can be made until we actually play a competitive team. I don't think either qb is going to be quality teams this year. McDowell is not an effective passer and Vidlak is no better than Brown. I would like to see how Hout is developing.

Vidlak is no better than Brown? You are, or you're, your choice, clearly delusional if you believe that. So I guess we both get to be delusional.

Here's another fact for you. Athletes at both UM and MSU are also subsidized by outside funds, that's not unique to Ferris.

 

[brewskis]

Herder does such a great job of covering the FCS…..this league is lucky to have him.

 

[bgbigdog]

You're. And I did mis-speak, thanks for pointing that out. I should have said that here are folks getting Pell grants at Ferris who are further subsidized for scholarly college activities, by the state. That is a fact.

As for delusional, we'll see. But I won't concern myself with criticism from someone who wrote the following about the QB's after game two:


Vidlak is no better than Brown? You are, or you're, your choice, clearly delusional if you believe that. So I guess we both get to be delusional.

Here's another fact for you. Athletes at both UM and MSU are also subsidized by outside funds, that's not unique to Ferris.

And one for you. Nowhere do I say it was unique to Ferris. I was making a point that Herder brought up the disparity in scholarships between the two. Ferris just pays for them more creatively because they have nearly as many guys on the roster as Montana. I am not deluding myself about how good or not-so-good this team is. I just haven't called it three games in.