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[reinell30]

by reinell30 » Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:48 pm

This class of recruits for Bobby is very talented. (Still have to play on the field 1st) The current Griz players are limited to a few very talented and some that are just talented. The majority are just players.

Reinell,
Could you please elaborate on your opinion that this class of recruits is "very talented". The only criteria for ranking this recruiting class I can find is Hero - https://herosports.com/fcs/football-2019-recruiting-top-50-fcs-teams-rankings-ajaj - which doesn't list UM in the top 50 (MSU is listed as 40) and some other BSC schools are ranked higher. Personally I have been critical of Hauck's 2019 class for precisely the reasons you list for previous classes - a few very talented, some with some talent and the rest just practice fodder. Also I have been quite critical of the 2019 overall size - see Hero's NDSU comments. Additionally I think the hype about the late signers is just that. I mean when you are apparently only competing for a corner back against UT Martin either Hauck and the UT Martin Coach have some sort of gift of prescience or other coaches just aren't making the same call (although UT Martin's schedule playing Florida and Kentucky at their houses probably wasn't a real selling point). Still, I would like to know what you are basing your opinion on and what I'm missing beyond fan hype.

#1 I stated, to show they are Very Talented, they have to see the field and prove it.
#2 I claim they are vey talented just for the simple reason that Bobby and HIS staff recruited them! Bobby's record speaks loudly for itself and if you can't see that, well?
#3 not every class of recruits have 100% stars in the class, not for us not for any team. Are there other players out there that Bobby wanted, absolutely, but he did get (on paper) some very talented young men!
#4 Bobby told me, last years team just wasn't very good, how many coaches will admit that? He knows what he is doing and I have 100% confidence in him and his staff to put the best players on the field. If a player doesn't measure up to his standards, they won't play and will soon be replaced. His standard of player is much higher caliber then a Stitt, Pflugrad, or Delaney. This is something you have to come to grips with.
#5 I will not call a player out by name as to who is or who isn't Very Talented on a message board, I leave that to others.

#2 15w - 49l at unlv; 6w - 5l at um in the new, easier big sky, so in the last decade or so, bobby hauck's glorious head coaching record is 21 - 54.

We can all argue about this till hell freezes over. Or , we can just watch how these recruits turn out once they start playing. Three or Four years from now, lets re-visit this thread.

 

[kemajic]

by reinell30 » Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:48 pm

This class of recruits for Bobby is very talented. (Still have to play on the field 1st) The current Griz players are limited to a few very talented and some that are just talented. The majority are just players.

Reinell,
Could you please elaborate on your opinion that this class of recruits is "very talented". The only criteria for ranking this recruiting class I can find is Hero - https://herosports.com/fcs/football-2019-recruiting-top-50-fcs-teams-rankings-ajaj - which doesn't list UM in the top 50 (MSU is listed as 40) and some other BSC schools are ranked higher. Personally I have been critical of Hauck's 2019 class for precisely the reasons you list for previous classes - a few very talented, some with some talent and the rest just practice fodder. Also I have been quite critical of the 2019 overall size - see Hero's NDSU comments. Additionally I think the hype about the late signers is just that. I mean when you are apparently only competing for a corner back against UT Martin either Hauck and the UT Martin Coach have some sort of gift of prescience or other coaches just aren't making the same call (although UT Martin's schedule playing Florida and Kentucky at their houses probably wasn't a real selling point). Still, I would like to know what you are basing your opinion on and what I'm missing beyond fan hype.

#1 I stated, to show they are Very Talented, they have to see the field and prove it.
#2 I claim they are vey talented just for the simple reason that Bobby and HIS staff recruited them! Bobby's record speaks loudly for itself and if you can't see that, well?
#3 not every class of recruits have 100% stars in the class, not for us not for any team. Are there other players out there that Bobby wanted, absolutely, but he did get (on paper) some very talented young men!
#4 Bobby told me, last years team just wasn't very good, how many coaches will admit that? He knows what he is doing and I have 100% confidence in him and his staff to put the best players on the field. If a player doesn't measure up to his standards, they won't play and will soon be replaced. His standard of player is much higher caliber then a Stitt, Pflugrad, or Delaney. This is something you have to come to grips with.
#5 I will not call a player out by name as to who is or who isn't Very Talented on a message board, I leave that to others.

#2 15w - 49l at unlv; 6w - 5l at um in the new, easier big sky, so in the last decade or so, bobby hauck's glorious head coaching record is 21 - 54.

6-5 in his first year back at Montana. Choate was 2-9 in his first year at MSU. If that was your point, well done.

 

[PlayerRep]

by reinell30 » Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:48 pm

This class of recruits for Bobby is very talented. (Still have to play on the field 1st) The current Griz players are limited to a few very talented and some that are just talented. The majority are just players.

Reinell,
Could you please elaborate on your opinion that this class of recruits is "very talented". The only criteria for ranking this recruiting class I can find is Hero - https://herosports.com/fcs/football-2019-recruiting-top-50-fcs-teams-rankings-ajaj - which doesn't list UM in the top 50 (MSU is listed as 40) and some other BSC schools are ranked higher. Personally I have been critical of Hauck's 2019 class for precisely the reasons you list for previous classes - a few very talented, some with some talent and the rest just practice fodder. Also I have been quite critical of the 2019 overall size - see Hero's NDSU comments. Additionally I think the hype about the late signers is just that. I mean when you are apparently only competing for a corner back against UT Martin either Hauck and the UT Martin Coach have some sort of gift of prescience or other coaches just aren't making the same call (although UT Martin's schedule playing Florida and Kentucky at their houses probably wasn't a real selling point). Still, I would like to know what you are basing your opinion on and what I'm missing beyond fan hype.

#1 I stated, to show they are Very Talented, they have to see the field and prove it.
#2 I claim they are vey talented just for the simple reason that Bobby and HIS staff recruited them! Bobby's record speaks loudly for itself and if you can't see that, well?
#3 not every class of recruits have 100% stars in the class, not for us not for any team. Are there other players out there that Bobby wanted, absolutely, but he did get (on paper) some very talented young men!
#4 Bobby told me, last years team just wasn't very good, how many coaches will admit that? He knows what he is doing and I have 100% confidence in him and his staff to put the best players on the field. If a player doesn't measure up to his standards, they won't play and will soon be replaced. His standard of player is much higher caliber then a Stitt, Pflugrad, or Delaney. This is something you have to come to grips with.
#5 I will not call a player out by name as to who is or who isn't Very Talented on a message board, I leave that to others.

#2 15w - 49l at unlv; 6w - 5l at um in the new, easier big sky, so in the last decade or so, bobby hauck's glorious head coaching record is 21 - 54.

Every Griz fan already knows those things. Do you think those things mean that BH had a weak 2019 recruiting class? Or won't be successful in the future. I don't think those records are relevant.

Do you think he got to be a worse recruiter and worse coach after leaving UM? I don't. I believe he got to be a better recruiter with more and broader recruiting contacts and a better and more mature coach.

My guess is that UM now has the strongest football coaching staff that it has ever had.

 

[poorgriz]

Reinell,
Could you please elaborate on your opinion that this class of recruits is "very talented". The only criteria for ranking this recruiting class I can find is Hero - https://herosports.com/fcs/football-2019-recruiting-top-50-fcs-teams-rankings-ajaj - which doesn't list UM in the top 50 (MSU is listed as 40) and some other BSC schools are ranked higher. Personally I have been critical of Hauck's 2019 class for precisely the reasons you list for previous classes - a few very talented, some with some talent and the rest just practice fodder. Also I have been quite critical of the 2019 overall size - see Hero's NDSU comments. Additionally I think the hype about the late signers is just that. I mean when you are apparently only competing for a corner back against UT Martin either Hauck and the UT Martin Coach have some sort of gift of prescience or other coaches just aren't making the same call (although UT Martin's schedule playing Florida and Kentucky at their houses probably wasn't a real selling point). Still, I would like to know what you are basing your opinion on and what I'm missing beyond fan hype.

#1 I stated, to show they are Very Talented, they have to see the field and prove it.
#2 I claim they are vey talented just for the simple reason that Bobby and HIS staff recruited them! Bobby's record speaks loudly for itself and if you can't see that, well?
#3 not every class of recruits have 100% stars in the class, not for us not for any team. Are there other players out there that Bobby wanted, absolutely, but he did get (on paper) some very talented young men!
#4 Bobby told me, last years team just wasn't very good, how many coaches will admit that? He knows what he is doing and I have 100% confidence in him and his staff to put the best players on the field. If a player doesn't measure up to his standards, they won't play and will soon be replaced. His standard of player is much higher caliber then a Stitt, Pflugrad, or Delaney. This is something you have to come to grips with.
#5 I will not call a player out by name as to who is or who isn't Very Talented on a message board, I leave that to others.

#2 15w - 49l at unlv; 6w - 5l at um in the new, easier big sky, so in the last decade or so, bobby hauck's glorious head coaching record is 21 - 54.

Every Griz fan already knows those things. Do you think those things mean that BH had a weak 2019 recruiting class? Or won't be successful in the future. I don't think those records are relevant.

Do you think he got to be a worse recruiter and worse coach after leaving UM? I don't. I believe he got to be a better recruiter with more and broader recruiting contacts and a better and more mature coach.

My guess is that UM now has the strongest football coaching staff that it has ever had.

Bold statement... so I bolded it. :lol:

 

[braves84]

#1 I stated, to show they are Very Talented, they have to see the field and prove it.
#2 I claim they are vey talented just for the simple reason that Bobby and HIS staff recruited them! Bobby's record speaks loudly for itself and if you can't see that, well?
#3 not every class of recruits have 100% stars in the class, not for us not for any team. Are there other players out there that Bobby wanted, absolutely, but he did get (on paper) some very talented young men!
#4 Bobby told me, last years team just wasn't very good, how many coaches will admit that? He knows what he is doing and I have 100% confidence in him and his staff to put the best players on the field. If a player doesn't measure up to his standards, they won't play and will soon be replaced. His standard of player is much higher caliber then a Stitt, Pflugrad, or Delaney. This is something you have to come to grips with.
#5 I will not call a player out by name as to who is or who isn't Very Talented on a message board, I leave that to others.

#2 15w - 49l at unlv; 6w - 5l at um in the new, easier big sky, so in the last decade or so, bobby hauck's glorious head coaching record is 21 - 54.
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Every Griz fan already knows those things. Do you think those things mean that BH had a weak 2019 recruiting class? Or won't be successful in the future. I don't think those records are relevant.

Do you think he got to be a worse recruiter and worse coach after leaving UM? I don't. I believe he got to be a better recruiter with more and broader recruiting contacts and a better and more mature coach.

My guess is that UM now has the strongest football coaching staff that it has ever had.

Bold statement... so I bolded it. :lol:

only time will tell if that's true, I say give hauck at least 3 more years than maybe than you can make those statements.

 

[PlayerRep]

#1 I stated, to show they are Very Talented, they have to see the field and prove it.
#2 I claim they are vey talented just for the simple reason that Bobby and HIS staff recruited them! Bobby's record speaks loudly for itself and if you can't see that, well?
#3 not every class of recruits have 100% stars in the class, not for us not for any team. Are there other players out there that Bobby wanted, absolutely, but he did get (on paper) some very talented young men!
#4 Bobby told me, last years team just wasn't very good, how many coaches will admit that? He knows what he is doing and I have 100% confidence in him and his staff to put the best players on the field. If a player doesn't measure up to his standards, they won't play and will soon be replaced. His standard of player is much higher caliber then a Stitt, Pflugrad, or Delaney. This is something you have to come to grips with.
#5 I will not call a player out by name as to who is or who isn't Very Talented on a message board, I leave that to others.

#2 15w - 49l at unlv; 6w - 5l at um in the new, easier big sky, so in the last decade or so, bobby hauck's glorious head coaching record is 21 - 54.

Every Griz fan already knows those things. Do you think those things mean that BH had a weak 2019 recruiting class? Or won't be successful in the future. I don't think those records are relevant.

Do you think he got to be a worse recruiter and worse coach after leaving UM? I don't. I believe he got to be a better recruiter with more and broader recruiting contacts and a better and more mature coach.

My guess is that UM now has the strongest football coaching staff that it has ever had.

Bold statement... so I bolded it. :lol:

Feel free to list any stronger groups.

 

[PlayerRep]

#2 15w - 49l at unlv; 6w - 5l at um in the new, easier big sky, so in the last decade or so, bobby hauck's glorious head coaching record is 21 - 54.
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Every Griz fan already knows those things. Do you think those things mean that BH had a weak 2019 recruiting class? Or won't be successful in the future. I don't think those records are relevant.

Do you think he got to be a worse recruiter and worse coach after leaving UM? I don't. I believe he got to be a better recruiter with more and broader recruiting contacts and a better and more mature coach.

My guess is that UM now has the strongest football coaching staff that it has ever had.

Bold statement... so I bolded it. :lol:

only time will tell if that's true, I say give hauck at least 3 more years than maybe than you can make those statements.

Huh? I can look at who is on the staff now and what they have done and make the determination. Doesn't take 3 years for me. When has there ever been a stronger staff?

 

[kemajic]

#2 15w - 49l at unlv; 6w - 5l at um in the new, easier big sky, so in the last decade or so, bobby hauck's glorious head coaching record is 21 - 54.

Every Griz fan already knows those things. Do you think those things mean that BH had a weak 2019 recruiting class? Or won't be successful in the future. I don't think those records are relevant.

Do you think he got to be a worse recruiter and worse coach after leaving UM? I don't. I believe he got to be a better recruiter with more and broader recruiting contacts and a better and more mature coach.

My guess is that UM now has the strongest football coaching staff that it has ever had.

Bold statement... so I bolded it. :lol:

Feel free to list any stronger groups.

As the entire group, I think you are right. As individual coaches, I still like Beers for the OL and Pflugrad for OC.

 

[braves84]

When I say 3 years, I am guessing this year. No 2 they could be 6-6 at worse to maybe 8-4.
Years 3 and 4 there should be no reason they are not playoff participants, they should have all their recruits in place and ready to contribute full board. No excuses.
Imo if it takes any longer than that, then there should be questions about the staff.

 

[sdk.catfish]

by PlayerRep » Fri Jun 07, 2019 4:34 pm

Huh? I can look at who is on the staff now and what they have done and make the determination. Doesn't take 3 years for me. When has there ever been a stronger staff?

Really wish the mods would move this to a separate thread but until they do ............ "What they have done" PR implies resumes, in other words past history. That might get you hired but won't keep you hired. Coaching is notorious for operating on a "what have you done for me recently" philosophy. This staff, this stint at UM is 6-5. Past history means crap to me. The current coaching staff is 6-5 strong, and most predictions aren't for more than a 7-5 season this year. That is the present situation. Could get worse, could get better but that is what it is. I have never called for Hauck's firing but I do have a hard time believing that if your recruiting classes aren't regarded as better than your competition, and if the evaluations prove correct, then you are probably not going to dominate competition down the road. Right now all I can find are two evaluations of this years recruiting class that might be considered objective or at least an honest attempt to compare recruiting classes. I don't consider anything I've seen from egriz posters objective. Hero sports doesn't even rank UM in their top 50 FCS classes. In what appears to be an early analysis of both FBS and FCS, 247 ranks UM at 147, 3 points higher that MSU but still behind Portland State, N. Arizona, EWU, Cal Davis and there might others I missed. Maybe Hauck can make lemonade out of pretty good, but not premium lemons, and maybe he can't. He has a three year contract, one year gone, to do so and in my opinion he may have to make some significant staff changes, and significant changes to recruiting strategy in 2020, to get an extension. Or he can be like Stitt, a stubborn ass, which probably cost Stitt his job and could cost Hauck as well. Or maybe, like Choate, he will connive to get an extension his second year even with a 7-5 record this year. I wish my crystal ball was getting better reception at this point but this discussion will only heat up if 2019 results in missed playoffs and a 4th straight loss to the Cats.

 

[PlayerRep]

by PlayerRep » Fri Jun 07, 2019 4:34 pm

Huh? I can look at who is on the staff now and what they have done and make the determination. Doesn't take 3 years for me. When has there ever been a stronger staff?

Really wish the mods would move this to a separate thread but until they do ............ "What they have done" PR implies resumes, in other words past history. That might get you hired but won't keep you hired. Coaching is notorious for operating on a "what have you done for me recently" philosophy. This staff, this stint at UM is 6-5. Past history means crap to me. The current coaching staff is 6-5 strong, and most predictions aren't for more than a 7-5 season this year. That is the present situation. Could get worse, could get better but that is what it is. I have never called for Hauck's firing but I do have a hard time believing that if your recruiting classes aren't regarded as better than your competition, and if the evaluations prove correct, then you are probably not going to dominate competition down the road. Right now all I can find are two evaluations of this years recruiting class that might be considered objective or at least an honest attempt to compare recruiting classes. I don't consider anything I've seen from egriz posters objective. Hero sports doesn't even rank UM in their top 50 FCS classes. In what appears to be an early analysis of both FBS and FCS, 247 ranks UM at 147, 3 points higher that MSU but still behind Portland State, N. Arizona, EWU, Cal Davis and there might others I missed. Maybe Hauck can make lemonade out of pretty good, but not premium lemons, and maybe he can't. He has a three year contract, one year gone, to do so and in my opinion he may have to make some significant staff changes, and significant changes to recruiting strategy in 2020, to get an extension. Or he can be like Stitt, a stubborn ass, which probably cost Stitt his job and could cost Hauck as well. Or maybe, like Choate, he will connive to get an extension his second year even with a 7-5 record this year. I wish my crystal ball was getting better reception at this point but this discussion will only heat up if 2019 results in missed playoffs and a 4th straight loss to the Cats.

Yes, a strong staff is based on what they have done. Sorry if you don’t understand that.

UM had a very good recruiting class. Hero Sports, ha. They are a joke. So are you.

 

[Spanky2]

Bobby is known for recruiting average-above average players and with excellent coaching developing them into first rate players. No doubt, he will do the same with this years recruits.

 

[dayday]

I'm ok with some of you ragging on me for my opinion of Hauck's 2019 recruiting results (not effort as I'm sure his staff put that in). The only evidence that I can find for comparing UM with the other schools recruiting is Hero sports. If there are other comparisons or rankings out there that show a different picture then please post them. Right now, besides Hero, I only have EGriz fan speak and second hand coach speak related by, you guessed it, EGriz posters who claim to have inside info. Coaches and fans are a lot like politicians and seldom speak (or even know) the whole truth even if they mean well. Sorry but I didn't invent the term RTD and find it about as worthless as DOLA because stupid acronyms don't win games. But if Hauck's program's recruiting is being judged in comparison to other programs, even if it is Hero sports doing the comparison, not being one of the top 50 classes in FCS should be concerning. That would appear to be a rough and rocky road back to dominance. It should live inside the heads of even the most biased of fans, that dominance may be more far more elusive that some of you think and may not happen all.

If the mods wanted to move this to a new "2019 Recruiting Class opinions" it might be more appropriate.

Nobody really knows how talented the 2019 class are until they get here and show what they can do in the next few years. I thought the class was very solid that addressed every position and got us on track in traditional recruiting areas. I have been somewhat critical of Hauck’s current recruiting strategy of waiting to offer but there is a legitimate strategy to it. I’m just not sold it will work this day in age but he does have a long track record so he knows better than me.

Also Hero Sports on recruiting is an absolute joke that I would not put any stock in. It’s too hard to rank classes at this level so they just use 247 and offers out.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Apples to apples flying at 30,000 feet, we don’t want to get lost in the weeds or reinvent the wheel. At the end of the day, it is what it is, time will tell, and we shall see.

Did I miss any?

 

[bgbigdog]

Apples to apples flying at 30,000 feet, we don’t want to get lost in the weeds or reinvent the wheel. At the end of the day, it is what it is, time will tell, and we shall see.

Did I miss any?

“We're not laughing at you we're laughing with you“
“Lord loves a workin man”
“Doesn’t know sh&t from shinola”
“A Daniel come to judgement”
“A horse, a horse, my kingdom for a horse”
“A good beginning makes a good ending”
“All for one, and one for all”
“All hands on deck”

That’s it, that’s the list.

Unless you count “Colder than a well diggers ass”. Then that’s it.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Apples to apples flying at 30,000 feet, we don’t want to get lost in the weeds or reinvent the wheel. At the end of the day, it is what it is, time will tell, and we shall see.

Did I miss any?

“We're not laughing at you we're laughing with you“
“Lord loves a workin man”
“Doesn’t know sh&t from shinola”
“A Daniel come to judgement”
“A horse, a horse, my kingdom for a horse”
“A good beginning makes a good ending”
“All for one, and one for all”
“All hands on deck”

That’s it, that’s the list.

Unless you count “Colder than a well diggers ass”. Then that’s it.

You broke the list, and you know what they say about that. "You break it, you buy it".

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Apples to apples flying at 30,000 feet, we don’t want to get lost in the weeds or reinvent the wheel. At the end of the day, it is what it is, time will tell, and we shall see.

Did I miss any?

“We're not laughing at you we're laughing with you“
“Lord loves a workin man”
“Doesn’t know sh&t from shinola”
“A Daniel come to judgement”
“A horse, a horse, my kingdom for a horse”
“A good beginning makes a good ending”
“All for one, and one for all”
“All hands on deck”

That’s it, that’s the list.

Unless you count “Colder than a well diggers ass”. Then that’s it.

You broke the list, and you know what they say about that. "You break it, you buy it".

:lol: to both posts.
Horses for courses, as they say.