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Herder: Pre-season Top 25

uofmman1122 said:
CatsRback said:
I believe your schedule was ranked slightly higher because of the ridiculous cake walk you started the year with. Wasn’t “a gauntlet compared to ours”. But yeah beat your chest at 6th place because last year was “so hard”! NW state must’ve banged your players up a ton! It was it South Dakota who was 9th in the Missouri valley? Or Illinois state?
How are you this insecure? :lol:

Our schedule was objectively much harder than yours last year. That doesn't mean we were better, and you'll notice I never said we were.

Well. “Much” is a stretch. The win percentage between our schedules in 2022 based on 2021 results was .495 and .492 so that’s not “much” better for the gris.

Massey had our end of year SOS as 5 and UM at 17. Could be because we win playoff games more often… however I’m not sure what that SOS was based off of.

It did list MSU schedule as 137 and Gris as 148 or somewhere in that area. But yeah, you guys really got a hell of a draw the first half of the season! Almost felt bad!
 
CatsRback said:
Had a new DC the last 3 seasons
Really? Huh.
With that high turnover rate at the DC position, why the hell are you guys hanging onto the drunk?
Serious question because I have not come across a single bubz who wants to keep him. Have you? Do you know anyone who wants to retain him?
 
CatsRback said:
uofmman1122 said:
How are you this insecure? :lol:

Our schedule was objectively much harder than yours last year. That doesn't mean we were better, and you'll notice I never said we were.

Well. “Much” is a stretch. The win percentage between our schedules in 2022 based on 2021 results was .495 and .492 so that’s not “much” better for the gris.

Massey had our end of year SOS as 5 and UM at 17. Could be because we win playoff games more often… however I’m not sure what that SOS was based off of.

It did list MSU schedule as 137 and Gris as 148 or somewhere in that area. But yeah, you guys really got a hell of a draw the first half of the season! Almost felt bad!
Yeah man, playing 3 top 10 teams on the road is the same as 2 top 25 teams at home because our first 5 games were easy. :lol:
 
garizzalies said:
CatsRback said:
Had a new DC the last 3 seasons
Really? Huh.
With that high turnover rate at the DC position, why the hell are you guys hanging onto the drunk?
Serious question because I have not come across a single bubz who wants to keep him. Have you? Do you know anyone who wants to retain him?

Does anyone know what happened with all of that in the end?
 
CDAGRIZ said:
garizzalies said:
Really? Huh.
With that high turnover rate at the DC position, why the hell are you guys hanging onto the drunk?
Serious question because I have not come across a single bubz who wants to keep him. Have you? Do you know anyone who wants to retain him?

Does anyone know what happened with all of that in the end?
Yes, Sante Fe Reds can no longer offer eggs rancheros after noon on gameday.
 
garizzalies said:
CDAGRIZ said:
Does anyone know what happened with all of that in the end?
Yes, Sante Fe Reds can no longer offer eggs rancheros after noon on gameday.

Santa Fe Reds has been closed since January 2021. So they haven't been serving eggs rancheros for a while.
 
SACCAT66 said:
garizzalies said:
Yes, Sante Fe Reds can no longer offer eggs rancheros after noon on gameday.

Santa Fe Reds has been closed since January 2021. So they haven't been serving eggs rancheros for a while.
Hmm, well, I guess that explains why the coach had a sour tummy after dinner.
 
uofmman1122 said:
CatsRback said:
Well. “Much” is a stretch. The win percentage between our schedules in 2022 based on 2021 results was .495 and .492 so that’s not “much” better for the gris.

Massey had our end of year SOS as 5 and UM at 17. Could be because we win playoff games more often… however I’m not sure what that SOS was based off of.

It did list MSU schedule as 137 and Gris as 148 or somewhere in that area. But yeah, you guys really got a hell of a draw the first half of the season! Almost felt bad!
Yeah man, playing 3 top 10 teams on the road is the same as 2 top 25 teams at home because our first 5 games were easy. :lol:

The relevant comparison is regular season strength against FCS competition. Exclude Oregon St and playoffs. In the case of UM, compare strength from Idaho - Montana St. That portion was much tougher than any regular FCS season part of MSU’s schedule. MSU was crushed by Oregon St and deserves no credit for that big loss in its regular season SOS.
 
Bok_Choi said:
Congrats to Herder for eliciting 2,400 plus views of something related to FCS football. Perhaps listen to the podcast on his site before we get to fifteen or more pages bashing his predictions. I think the rankings come on a sliding scale with fairly sound reasons as to whether or not the teams could be better or worse than this initial ranking.

Just in case - he notes that not much will be known about Montana until week six. Feels a little bit like Deja Vu all over again. I haven't gotten to the part where he talks about bozeman, and likely won't care what he says regardless. It's SDSU and the field.

See Jackson St. That ranking is stupid. Holy Cross
is pretty good, but ranked way too high.
 
CatsRback said:
mthoopsfan said:
No, your qb's had never played together until last fall. It's much easy to play against an O and players, after you've played them once. Also, easier to prepare after you've got tape of other teams shutting them down.

Griz o-line all return, has added some players, and is deep. They were good most of the time last year, and will be great next fall. Best since 2009, says Hauck. Running backs will be even better and deeper. Backers will be very good and deeper. Receivers will be better. Hopefully, our qb will be healthier, instead of being out and hurt out of the season since SS. Safeties appear to be good and fairly deep.

Griz have a new OC that many people are excited about. Griz have younger position coaches. Lots of good reports coming back on the new positioning of the assistants.

My criticism of Herder had nothing to do with his ranking of the Griz. I don't care where they are ranked. He's put multiple teams in ridiculously positions. He never played football and doesn't understand it.

Let's see your position group analysis of why you think the Cats deserve to be no. 3. I assume you won't or can't do that, because you also don't understand the game.

Well, deep is nice but you can only start 5. Hauck also said last year was his favorite and most talented team. I’m glad you’re excited about your new OC- that doesn’t make him a world beater. Why doesn’t Herder know Football exactly? Because the Gris aren’t top 5 to start the season?

If you must ask. Our entire O-line returns which was the best rushing attack in the nation. We made it to the semis last year and we return most of our impact players, our coaching staff is intact and I believe our OC will call another stellar game against the 3-3-5. He has a proven track record of playing teams a second or third time and having a better game plan. Secondary is thin, but it wasn’t spectacular last season. I don’t see how you can justify putting any team ahead of the Cats outside of SDSU and NDSU to start the season. Then we just have to sit back and watch. But let’s see these polls come out and you can knock every single one of them that has the cats highly ranked because ya know.. facts over feelings and all.

A lot of what you’re saying is an assumption. You’re assuming the RB’s will be better. You’re assuming the WR play will be better. I mean even I’m assuming the OL play will be better. The only difference is: even if it’s not. We’re gunna play at a conference championship level because that’s proven while the Gris will be trying hard for the top half of the BSC.

Lemme guess, you’re really into this new QB of yours. He’s the one isn’t he? QB1 last year seemed to be really hurt vs winning teams, but was a gamer vs NW state. I don’t think he was the solution last season.

You’re assuming Cats can finally play well on the road.
 
Ursus1 said:
mthoopsfan said:
For someone who has access to a lot of FCS people, Herser continues to know little about FCS football.

So what do you have the Griz rated preseason if you do not agree with him?




Still waiting.......or are you not wanting it on record of what you think they should be rated ???
 
Ursus1 said:
Ursus1 said:
So what do you have the Griz rated preseason if you do not agree with him?




Still waiting.......or are you not wanting it on record of what you think they should be rated ???

I was fine with the Cat and Griz rankings. The Griz will finish higher, tho.
 
Sac St - they are ranked too high. They lost all of their very best players and their head coach.

Both QB's graduated. The great rb transferred. The defensive MVP of conference has gone to the NFL. 2 others on O were listed as seniors in the Game Notes for the Griz game. 4 seniors on D were listed in the game notes, plus the guy who targeted Johnson went to the portal. The good kicker was listed as a senior.

One o-lineman listed as a senior. Most of their good o-line returns. Lots of new coaches.

FCS: 5 Offseason Questions For Sac State Football

https://herosports.com/fcs-football-2023-offseason-questions-sac-state-bzbz/
 
3-3star QB's on the roster. FIrst world problems, though HTF could this be? QB's want starting jobs, that's what the portal is for.

Fulcher will have a good year, though skates is a loss. Their offensive line featured two all-conference players last season. It's a push, come to think of it.

Eight of their top eleven tacklers are back, their defense will likely crater.

Andy will do a bang up job with what he has, inferior as it sounds.

Yeah, they're probably overrated.
 
Bok_Choi said:
3-3star QB's on the roster. FIrst world problems, though HTF could this be? QB's want starting jobs, that's what the portal is for.

Fulcher will have a good year, though skates is a loss. Their offensive line featured two all-conference players last season. It's a push, come to think of it.

Eight of their top eleven tacklers are back, their defense will likely crater.

Andy will do a bang up job with what he has, inferior as it sounds.

Yeah, they're probably overrated.

Defense is much more than leading tacklers. D-lineman are rarely leading tacklers. Corners are usually not leading tacklers.

The top 2 tacklers were seniors. They were the top 2 TFL too, (2d one was tied). 2 other seniors are listed in the top 10. the leading sacker is gone, and the second leading guy is listed as a senior. The 3d leading sacker had 2 sacks.

Sometimes senior return in this day and age. Looks like one of those seniors is still on roster.

UM had 32 sacks; SS had 18. That's not very good. And, again, leading sacker gone. SS had only 10 interceptions. UM had only 12.

SS was 5th in conference in total defense last season.

2959 of rushing yards gone with 3 players. Total rushing was 3368. 34 of 36 rushing TD's gone.

SS plays Stanford and will play UM and Davis on road late in season. Idaho on road earlier in season. Montana St. at home. No Weber or EWU.

The leading returning qb had 4 completions last year, and 1 interception.

They are definitely overrated.
 
mthoopsfan said:
Sac St - they are ranked too high. They lost all of their very best players and their head coach.

Both QB's graduated. The great rb transferred. The defensive MVP of conference has gone to the NFL. 2 others on O were listed as seniors in the Game Notes for the Griz game. 4 seniors on D were listed in the game notes, plus the guy who targeted Johnson went to the portal. The good kicker was listed as a senior.

One o-lineman listed as a senior. Most of their good o-line returns. Lots of new coaches.

FCS: 5 Offseason Questions For Sac State Football

https://herosports.com/fcs-football-2023-offseason-questions-sac-state-bzbz/

Only you could berate Herder as knowing "little about FCS football" on one page and then reference an article he authored on the another page to support your argument.
 
rivercat said:
mthoopsfan said:
Sac St - they are ranked too high. They lost all of their very best players and their head coach.

Both QB's graduated. The great rb transferred. The defensive MVP of conference has gone to the NFL. 2 others on O were listed as seniors in the Game Notes for the Griz game. 4 seniors on D were listed in the game notes, plus the guy who targeted Johnson went to the portal. The good kicker was listed as a senior.

One o-lineman listed as a senior. Most of their good o-line returns. Lots of new coaches.

FCS: 5 Offseason Questions For Sac State Football

https://herosports.com/fcs-football-2023-offseason-questions-sac-state-bzbz/

Only you could berate Herder as knowing "little about FCS football" on one page and then reference an article he authored on the another page to support your argument.

I didn't reference the article to support my argument. I linked the article only to provide more information for the board. I didn't even read the article.
 
Holy Cross was a good team last season. 12-1 with only loss to SDS. They hung with SDS until SDS scored 3 TD's in 4th Q. Beat Buffalo. Had a weak strength of schedule overall.

They play Boston College, Yale, Harvard and Army. All but Harvard on the road. Yale won the Ivies. HC beat both Yale and Harvard last year.

HC had 14 5th year covid seniors last fall.

"Holy Cross lost a lot of starters on the defensive side of the ball from last year's squad". HC thinks it has a good o-line, and had a bunch of all conference lineman, but lost some of them too.

https://spectrumnews1.com/ma/worcester/news/2023/03/28/holy-cross-football-excited-about-spring-practice

"“We lost a lot of guys from last year". I think HC is thin at rb, in terms of numbers.

"about 500 fans enjoyed the beautiful weather and entertaining “game” for two hours." "“What about today, huh? What about today,” head coach Bob Chesney said. “Seeing all those people in the stands, having all of our incoming freshman here and then having all of the families here. We had the banquet early in the morning. I mean, look at this. A phenomenal, phenomenal afternoon.”

https://nefootballjournal.com/2023/04/15/spring-game-caps-off-special-day-for-holy-cross/
 
mthoopsfan said:
Holy Cross was a good team last season. 12-1 with only loss to SDS. They hung with SDS until SDS scored 3 TD's in 4th Q. Beat Buffalo. Had a weak strength of schedule overall.

They play Boston College, Yale, Harvard and Army. All but Harvard on the road. Yale won the Ivies. HC beat both Yale and Harvard last year.

HC had 14 5th year covid seniors last fall.

"Holy Cross lost a lot of starters on the defensive side of the ball from last year's squad". HC thinks it has a good o-line, and had a bunch of all conference lineman, but lost some of them too.

https://spectrumnews1.com/ma/worcester/news/2023/03/28/holy-cross-football-excited-about-spring-practice

"“We lost a lot of guys from last year". I think HC is thin at rb, in terms of numbers.

"about 500 fans enjoyed the beautiful weather and entertaining “game” for two hours." "“What about today, huh? What about today,” head coach Bob Chesney said. “Seeing all those people in the stands, having all of our incoming freshman here and then having all of the families here. We had the banquet early in the morning. I mean, look at this. A phenomenal, phenomenal afternoon.”

https://nefootballjournal.com/2023/04/15/spring-game-caps-off-special-day-for-holy-cross/
Their QB is one tough dude. He was all SDSU could handle.
 
Why does a guy who is always bragging about providing "inside information" post an article that he claims he hasn't even read from a source that he claims has no credibility?
 
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