Heir Apparent to Prukop released...

[Paytonlives]

I remember when Prukop moved on, BN was light up with
"Everythings OK we've (msu) got Hoy."
Today Hoy asked for and was given his release...

Things have changed... sort of

Now its:
"Everythings OK we (msu) have a guy that's been through three teams and some guys that have never played a college level game."

Will be interesting to see what happens... They are looking very thin at QB right now...

Does this have ANYTHING to do with griz football? Move it off this esteemed board mods... Thanks. :thumb:

So I guess you agree that the cats are not FCS?

Nope, we transcend FCS, FBS and beyond!

Springtime National Champs.... once again.

I know your goofing around, so please give us you thoughts on kitty QB's.

 

[bigsky33]

Ha laughable! That site had an absolute circle jerk around Hoy and how great he would be. They posted Cramseys tweets about "getting his guy" and some said he'd be better than Prukop. They completely convinced themselves that they wouldn't miss a beat with Hoy at the helm. Not that Hoy is leaving it's all rainbows and butterflies again in Kittyville. I gotta say, hope springs eternal in that place.

Hooked, it was nothing near to you guys proclaiming Willie Pflug the savior. You guys had him winning the Griz a national championship before he was even on campus. I don't see anything different between Hoy and Pflug. They were both excellent dual threat athletes but unfortunately were recruited for a different system. This happens all the time when coaching staffs change. I wish them both well. Hope springs eternal for every football program. You have a problem if it doesn't.

 

[Catsrback76]

I think it looks like Bruggman has the inside track to start. Anything can happen, but it appears that Folsom is going to end up #2 and we are looking at bringing in another transfer QB this summer. Who knows what that might mean for Bruggman as the starter, but it likely won't affect his status.

Can he be good? I think so, but we really won't know until we see the whole package (offense) and what we have. Clearly, Prukop was going to do what he did last year under Cramsey, and he would have gotten his numbers had he stayed and played. Would that have made the Cats better this year with more emphasis on defense? Likely. Would it have been significantly better than what Bruggman (or whoever starts) will do??? Better, but maybe not "significantly" for a number of reasons...new coach, system, defense, etc etc etc.

At any rate, we need to wait until Saturdays in September to really know...but it's spring, we're all bored, and it's fun to ponder.

 

[Paytonlives]

I think it looks like Bruggman has the inside track to start. Anything can happen, but it appears that Folsom is going to end up #2 and we are looking at bringing in another transfer QB this summer. Who knows what that might mean for Bruggman as the starter, but it likely won't affect his status.

Can he be good? I think so, but we really won't know until we see the whole package (offense) and what we have. Clearly, Prukop was going to do what he did last year under Cramsey, and he would have gotten his numbers had he stayed and played. Would that have made the Cats better this year with more emphasis on defense? Likely. Would it have been significantly better than what Bruggman (or whoever starts) will do??? Better, but maybe not "significantly" for a number of reasons...new coach, system, defense, etc etc etc.

At any rate, we need to wait until Saturdays in September to really know...but it's spring, we're all bored, and it's fun to ponder.

I think the cats of 2016 will be like the Griz of 2015. New coaches, systems bring an up and down year. Beat ND State, then lose to Liberty.

I think the key for the cats is to get the D to at least average. When your D is one of the worst in FCS... you cannot win, with or without Prukop.

Will be interesting to see how they play against Idaho, game 1.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Did Jim Chotch beat UM today?

Nay..he owned the state

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Hoy wasn't any way near as highly touted by Cat fans as was Willy Phlug by Griz fans. You guys had Willy up there as the next Joe Namath. Things do change when anew coaching staff comes in.

No no no...kids only leave because new coaches are complete arrogant assholes and not likeable....Sounds like Choate is just a rotten no good human...and now kids are leaving. You guys should know with all the discussion you had on this topic when Stitt came in...or have you forgotten already?

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

I think it looks like Bruggman has the inside track to start. Anything can happen, but it appears that Folsom is going to end up #2 and we are looking at bringing in another transfer QB this summer. Who knows what that might mean for Bruggman as the starter, but it likely won't affect his status.

Can he be good? I think so, but we really won't know until we see the whole package (offense) and what we have. Clearly, Prukop was going to do what he did last year under Cramsey, and he would have gotten his numbers had he stayed and played. Would that have made the Cats better this year with more emphasis on defense? Likely. Would it have been significantly better than what Bruggman (or whoever starts) will do??? Better, but maybe not "significantly" for a number of reasons...new coach, system, defense, etc etc etc.

At any rate, we need to wait until Saturdays in September to really know...but it's spring, we're all bored, and it's fun to ponder.

If the Cats were judged by their Septembers they would be champs every year.....I'll wait till November when they become chumps.

 

[Umista]

3 years from now the spring msu practice team will again be the champion of the "preseason" Big Sky.

One thing is certain and that is if Choate does not begin to win in the "real season" he will wilt under little Waded's demands for greatness. This will be a fun 3 years to watch.

 

[poorgriz]

Hoy wasn't any way near as highly touted by Cat fans as was Willy Phlug by Griz fans. You guys had Willy up there as the next Joe Namath. Things do change when anew coaching staff comes in.

No no no...kids only leave because new coaches are complete arrogant assholes and not likeable....Sounds like Choate is just a rotten no good human...and now kids are leaving. You guys should know with all the discussion you had on this topic when Stitt came in...or have you forgotten already?

I only know of ONE potentially good player that left the CATS since Choate came on board. How many good, or potentially good players have left the griz under Stitt....... 25 or so?

 

[UMGriz75]

One thing is certain and that is if Choate does not begin to win in the "real season" he will wilt under little Waded's demands for greatness. This will be a fun 3 years to watch.

After the loss of seven Deans, two Head Coaches, and the Athletic Director, a couple of VPs, she knows how to swing an ax; the question being raised over there is, does she have any idea how to aim the axe? One of those swings lost MSU its coveted Carnegie Research ranking.

Huse? Sure. Ash? Well, he had a better record than Bob Stitt at Mines. Fields, having made apparently good picks of Binford, Fish and perhaps Choate might feel a bit resentful. The Deans? Wellll, there's a lot of institutional knowledge there and program continuity, gone, as well as some of the important VPs who knew how to handle budgets and such.

Ash had a losing year, sure, but holy smokes, nuking the football program might not have been a "solution" if it requires rebuilding from somewhere below the basement level. Maybe it was, but there's an interesting pattern developing there at MSU and the Red Queen's "off with their heads" approach to presidentialling.

 

[grizpack]

Hoy wasn't any way near as highly touted by Cat fans as was Willy Phlug by Griz fans. You guys had Willy up there as the next Joe Namath. Things do change when anew coaching staff comes in.

No no no...kids only leave because new coaches are complete arrogant assholes and not likeable....Sounds like Choate is just a rotten no good human...and now kids are leaving. You guys should know with all the discussion you had on this topic when Stitt came in...or have you forgotten already?

I only know of ONE potentially good player that left the CATS since Choate came on board. How many good, or potentially good players have left the griz under Stitt....... 25 or so?

No. According to Cat fans, they got all the good recruits. Every year. We just take your left-overs, and do our best with what we have...

 

[bgbigdog]

Hoy wasn't any way near as highly touted by Cat fans as was Willy Phlug by Griz fans. You guys had Willy up there as the next Joe Namath. Things do change when anew coaching staff comes in.

No no no...kids only leave because new coaches are complete arrogant assholes and not likeable....Sounds like Choate is just a rotten no good human...and now kids are leaving. You guys should know with all the discussion you had on this topic when Stitt came in...or have you forgotten already?

I only know of ONE potentially good player that left the CATS since Choate came on board. How many good, or potentially good players have left the griz under Stitt....... 25 or so?

We'll see if coach #ownthe thinks there's a reason to churn the roster further after his first season. I would think he'll have a sense of urgency give the circumstances of his hiring. Also hear that there are a lot more funds to spread around for football players @ state Ag. How will that impact the players already on the team? 25 or so? Potentially good? Make a living evaluating talent do we? I though that was VS03's bailiwick. Might be a year early in any event. But don't let that stop you.

 

[ilovethecats]

all this shows is how clueless fans are and why we should just back and enjoy the ride. what we did with hoy is in no way different than what fans here did with willy. I too was high on hoy until I was told some things about him this past winter. basically that he is a freak athlete but no way he's a qb at this level. based on what we know now...this is maybe the case.

it's going to make an already questionable position for us even more so now, especially in terms of depth.

wish the kid all the best though.

 

[bigsky33]

One thing is certain and that is if Choate does not begin to win in the "real season" he will wilt under little Waded's demands for greatness. This will be a fun 3 years to watch.

After the loss of seven Deans, two Head Coaches, and the Athletic Director, a couple of VPs, she knows how to swing an ax; the question being raised over there is, does she have any idea how to aim the axe? One of those swings lost MSU its coveted Carnegie Research ranking.

Huse? Sure. Ash? Well, he had a better record than Bob Stitt at Mines. Fields, having made apparently good picks of Binford, Fish and perhaps Choate might feel a bit resentful. The Deans? Wellll, there's a lot of institutional knowledge there and program continuity, gone, as well as some of the important VPs who knew how to handle budgets and such.

Ash had a losing year, sure, but holy smokes, nuking the football program might not have been a "solution" if it requires rebuilding from somewhere below the basement level. Maybe it was, but there's an interesting pattern developing there at MSU and the Red Queen's "off with their heads" approach to presidentialling.

I think there are a LOT of Griz alumni that wish UM had Waded instead of Rolls Royce.

 

[doc3kgt]

One thing is certain and that is if Choate does not begin to win in the "real season" he will wilt under little Waded's demands for greatness. This will be a fun 3 years to watch.

After the loss of seven Deans, two Head Coaches, and the Athletic Director, a couple of VPs, she knows how to swing an ax; the question being raised over there is, does she have any idea how to aim the axe? One of those swings lost MSU its coveted Carnegie Research ranking.

Huse? Sure. Ash? Well, he had a better record than Bob Stitt at Mines. Fields, having made apparently good picks of Binford, Fish and perhaps Choate might feel a bit resentful. The Deans? Wellll, there's a lot of institutional knowledge there and program continuity, gone, as well as some of the important VPs who knew how to handle budgets and such.

Ash had a losing year, sure, but holy smokes, nuking the football program might not have been a "solution" if it requires rebuilding from somewhere below the basement level. Maybe it was, but there's an interesting pattern developing there at MSU and the Red Queen's "off with their heads" approach to presidentialling.

I think there are a LOT of Griz alumni that wish UM had Waded instead of Rolls Royce.

Someone with Waded's stature would never take a job at missoula city College. That place is an academic dumpster fire.

 

[UMGriz75]

Someone with Waded's stature would never take a job at missoula city College.

Not sure about her "stature." Determined to make bold moves and prove dynamic intent, she is making bold moves like a spoiled and erratic 12 year old, and offering dynamic purpose by randomly walking out of the "Barn" and firing the first person she sees. She seems to have "dynamic" and "dynamite" confused.

One gets things done, the other destroys everything in sight.

I happen to think MSU evolved into a fine research class University, far better than I might have expected when I attended there 45 years ago getting some summer engineering credits, and the Museum of the Rockies was in a WWII Quonset hut on the NW corner of the campus. Credit for a lot of the "direction" can go to Dr. Roland Rennie, who was one of the best college presidents a college could hope for.

But, anyone can tell Cruzado is no Roland Rennie. She has no background, experience, education or understanding of "research." She's pretty sure its a budget entry, and not about people at all.

On the other hand, UM does have a genuine scientist at its helm, and you would not know it at all by anything he does.

On the other, other hand, I happened to look at the photo of my deceased 4-H beef that I bought at the Fair this past year (the Extension Service always sends a picture of the poor creature with the kid. I guess it's thoughtful). This year, for the first time, the enclosed was with the steer photo. Those guys know how to market ... they have even infiltrated the Missoula Fair.

 

[Griz2k]

McChesney is a great kid and a smart QB. I could see him in the mix someday. Pretty small though.

Great kid. Great athlete. However, I don't think he is their answer. I actually hope I am wrong, as I like the kid a lot.

How is the family?

Great family. His dad (UM grad) was hoping the Griz would offer him something but unfortunately they didn't. (Unless it was very, very late and he'd already committed to msu...honestly, I can't remember).

 

[grizpack]

One thing is certain and that is if Choate does not begin to win in the "real season" he will wilt under little Waded's demands for greatness. This will be a fun 3 years to watch.

After the loss of seven Deans, two Head Coaches, and the Athletic Director, a couple of VPs, she knows how to swing an ax; the question being raised over there is, does she have any idea how to aim the axe? One of those swings lost MSU its coveted Carnegie Research ranking.

Huse? Sure. Ash? Well, he had a better record than Bob Stitt at Mines. Fields, having made apparently good picks of Binford, Fish and perhaps Choate might feel a bit resentful. The Deans? Wellll, there's a lot of institutional knowledge there and program continuity, gone, as well as some of the important VPs who knew how to handle budgets and such.

Ash had a losing year, sure, but holy smokes, nuking the football program might not have been a "solution" if it requires rebuilding from somewhere below the basement level. Maybe it was, but there's an interesting pattern developing there at MSU and the Red Queen's "off with their heads" approach to presidentialling.

I think there are a LOT of Griz alumni that wish UM had Waded instead of Rolls Royce.

Count me in that category. All Day. Of course RR has made me long for the King George days. And I thought that would never happen....

 

[BozAngelesGriz]

One thing is certain and that is if Choate does not begin to win in the "real season" he will wilt under little Waded's demands for greatness. This will be a fun 3 years to watch.

After the loss of seven Deans, two Head Coaches, and the Athletic Director, a couple of VPs, she knows how to swing an ax; the question being raised over there is, does she have any idea how to aim the axe? One of those swings lost MSU its coveted Carnegie Research ranking.

Huse? Sure. Ash? Well, he had a better record than Bob Stitt at Mines. Fields, having made apparently good picks of Binford, Fish and perhaps Choate might feel a bit resentful. The Deans? Wellll, there's a lot of institutional knowledge there and program continuity, gone, as well as some of the important VPs who knew how to handle budgets and such.

Ash had a losing year, sure, but holy smokes, nuking the football program might not have been a "solution" if it requires rebuilding from somewhere below the basement level. Maybe it was, but there's an interesting pattern developing there at MSU and the Red Queen's "off with their heads" approach to presidentialling.

I think there are a LOT of Griz alumni that wish UM had Waded instead of Rolls Royce.

she does well running a land grant institution in Bozeman. i think that running UM in Missoula would be a different animal though. these academic folks work well within their niche; and MSU is a good fit for Waded.

 

[snap]

I feel like Waded just needs a good hard man in her life. She's at an age where she should be dialing back the intensity a bit and starting to enjoy watching the sun rise while looking out my bedroom window.

Waded. Call me.

Please.