Heard a Realignment Rumor

[griz4life]

I would be surprised if Montana accepted a Mountain West invite. I could see MSU doing it. Cruzado is pretty bold, enrollment is up and revenue there is good.

The University of Montana isn't in good financial shape and enrollment isn't great.

Structurally, both Montana schools are more dependent on ticket revenue than any of their peers. There's no support for increasing the percentage of athletic revenue that comes from the university, which makes it really difficult to ramp up the scholarship count, not only for football but the additional sports Montana would need to add under Title IX.

If it’s been said once it’s been said a million times. Neither school gets to go anywhere unless both schools go together.

Also I had thought right before we were considering the WAC we added those sports to get us into title 9 compliance. Is that not the case?

That's been said, and said, and said and said by people who accept it as truth, but don't know a damn thing. It has never, ever been said by anyone who matters. There has never been a conference invite the would have even started a conversation leading to a comment like that from a regent, or a university president.

Montana belonged to four different football conferences, in which MSU wasn't a member, before the Big Sky.

I would remind everyone that when it comes to balance, MSU has been allowed to basically expand without restraint while all the other colleges and the other university in the Montana University System crumble.
No offense to parity in athletics, but there are way more important matters in Montana higher education where balance is crucial, in which the Regents have done nothing. And before some lunkhead suggests that MSU enrollment has driven by a surge in engineering enrollment, I suggest they take a look at the liberal arts programs at MSU which is where much of the growth is.

Ask Washington State how inseparable it feels from Washington about now, or Oregon State from Oregon.

This idea that somewhere buried in the rocks of the Continental Divide is a tablet stating MSU and UM can't be separated, is complete bullshit.

 

[PDXGrizzly]

PAC-12 is officially dead. Only OSU, WSU, Cal, and Stanford remain. OSU and WAZZU got completely screwed. Them coming out of the P5 is an unmitigated disaster for them. Massive cost cuts and probable loss of talent to the now P4. Unless they get into the Big 12.

They are gonna have to rename some conferences…

 

[mthoopsfan]

If it’s been said once it’s been said a million times. Neither school gets to go anywhere unless both schools go together.

Also I had thought right before we were considering the WAC we added those sports to get us into title 9 compliance. Is that not the case?

That's been said, and said, and said and said by people who accept it as truth, but don't know a damn thing. It has never, ever been said by anyone who matters. There has never been a conference invite the would have even started a conversation leading to a comment like that from a regent, or a university president.

Montana belonged to four different football conferences, in which MSU wasn't a member, before the Big Sky.

I would remind everyone that when it comes to balance, MSU has been allowed to basically expand without restraint while all the other colleges and the other university in the Montana University System crumble.
No offense to parity in athletics, but there are way more important matters in Montana higher education where balance is crucial, in which the Regents have done nothing. And before some lunkhead suggests that MSU enrollment has driven by a surge in engineering enrollment, I suggest they take a look at the liberal arts programs at MSU which is where much of the growth is.

Ask Washington State how inseparable it feels from Washington about now, or Oregon State from Oregon.

This idea that somewhere buried in the rocks of the Continental Divide is a tablet stating MSU and UM can't be separated, is complete poop.

I've always wondered where the MSU-UM joined at the hip thing came from. I never heard anyone of authority say that. On the other hand, I don't know one way or another.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Wasn’t it rumored at one point to have been assigned to Pat Williams?

 

[mthoopsfan]

Down to the Pac-4 now. Maybe the Big Sky should offerthe leftovers. Ha.

 

[PDXGrizzly]

Down to the Pac-4 now. Maybe the Big Sky should offerthe leftovers. Ha.

Instantly the biggest FCS stadiums!

 

[3-7-77]

This has the probability of a tree backing into a car.

 

[IdaGriz01]

Down to the Pac-4 now. ...

This seems like the main "rumor" thread. One has the Big "Ten" going all the way to 20 teams by adding Stanford and Cal. That might send the other two to the MWC. Why the B-10 would want to go to 20 teams is a mystery to me, but there it is. (But forget about any FCS teams moving up.)
Link: https://fansided.com/2023/08/04/pac-12-goes-belly-conference-remaining-4-teams-join/

Also, here's a (totally unsubstantiated) notion floating around some West Coast blogs. The Pac-12 admin (cushy jobs) don't want to go under, so they bury their pride/arrogance and grasp at straws: San Diego State, Fresno State, Boise State, and (San Jose State or Utah State) get them back to eight. However unlikely, it would make a solid western structure for a regional TV deal (and cut travel costs a bunch). Would they still be considered a P-5 conference? I'd say no, but you never know. Of course, if that many teams did leave the MWC, then there might be openings for move-up.

 

[BrownBear9501]

I would be surprised if Montana accepted a Mountain West invite. I could see MSU doing it. Cruzado is pretty bold, enrollment is up and revenue there is good.

The University of Montana isn't in good financial shape and enrollment isn't great.

Structurally, both Montana schools are more dependent on ticket revenue than any of their peers. There's no support for increasing the percentage of athletic revenue that comes from the university, which makes it really difficult to ramp up the scholarship count, not only for football but the additional sports Montana would need to add under Title IX.

UM offers more sports than MSU, is a bigger national brand, better athletics infrastructure and has more fan/alumni support. UM is more ready to move up than MSU.

 

[BigGameBobby]

I would be surprised if Montana accepted a Mountain West invite. I could see MSU doing it. Cruzado is pretty bold, enrollment is up and revenue there is good.

The University of Montana isn't in good financial shape and enrollment isn't great.

Structurally, both Montana schools are more dependent on ticket revenue than any of their peers. There's no support for increasing the percentage of athletic revenue that comes from the university, which makes it really difficult to ramp up the scholarship count, not only for football but the additional sports Montana would need to add under Title IX.

UM offers more sports than MSU, is a bigger national brand, better athletics infrastructure and has more fan/alumni support. UM is more ready to move up than MSU.

Most delusional post ever on Egriz. Keep telling yourself that little bro.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Down to the Pac-4 now. ...

This seems like the main "rumor" thread. One has the Big "Ten" going all the way to 20 teams by adding Stanford and Cal. That might send the other two to the MWC. Why the B-10 would want to go to 20 teams is a mystery to me, but there it is. (But forget about any FCS teams moving up.)
Link: https://fansided.com/2023/08/04/pac-12-goes-belly-conference-remaining-4-teams-join/

Also, here's a (totally unsubstantiated) notion floating around some West Coast blogs. The Pac-12 admin (cushy jobs) don't want to go under, so they bury their pride/arrogance and grasp at straws: San Diego State, Fresno State, Boise State, and (San Jose State or Utah State) get them back to eight. However unlikely, it would make a solid western structure for a regional TV deal (and cut travel costs a bunch). Would they still be considered a P-5 conference? I'd say no, but you never know. Of course, if that many teams did leave the MWC, then there might be openings for move-up.

From what I read, Big 10 isn’t going to 20, at least now. And And Stanford and Cal wouldn’t bring enough to merit a full conference distribution.

 

[mthoopsfan]

UM offers more sports than MSU, is a bigger national brand, better athletics infrastructure and has more fan/alumni support. UM is more ready to move up than MSU.

Most delusional post ever on Egriz. Keep telling yourself that little bro.

BrownBear is correct. Your post is the delusional one.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Down to the Pac-4 now. ...

This seems like the main "rumor" thread. One has the Big "Ten" going all the way to 20 teams by adding Stanford and Cal. That might send the other two to the MWC. Why the B-10 would want to go to 20 teams is a mystery to me, but there it is. (But forget about any FCS teams moving up.)
Link: https://fansided.com/2023/08/04/pac-12-goes-belly-conference-remaining-4-teams-join/

Also, here's a (totally unsubstantiated) notion floating around some West Coast blogs. The Pac-12 admin (cushy jobs) don't want to go under, so they bury their pride/arrogance and grasp at straws: San Diego State, Fresno State, Boise State, and (San Jose State or Utah State) get them back to eight. However unlikely, it would make a solid western structure for a regional TV deal (and cut travel costs a bunch). Would they still be considered a P-5 conference? I'd say no, but you never know. Of course, if that many teams did leave the MWC, then there might be openings for move-up.

Well, given that Wazzu, OSU, Cal and Stanford were the four weakest schools IN the PAC-12, there’s no possible way that’s considered a P5 conference. We’re down to 4 now. P4 and G6.

 

[3-7-77]

It IS official. ASU, UA, and UU to the Big '12.
PAC 12 is now PAC 4. Big 10 will have 18 members, Big 12 will have 16. So far...
Now, what will OSU, WSU, Cal, and Stanford do. And where does that leave SDSU?

 

[poiuyter]

Why would a school leave the MWC for the Pac. It will not be in the same tier as the P4 conferences. The MWC contract ends after the 25/26 season. $17 million to leave early. Pac with MWC schools media deal would be sub $5 million. MWC schools get $1.1 million in the media deal (BSU $2.1), UM brings nothing to keep that or increase it. A school of 10,000 in the 166 tv market.

 

[PDXGrizzly]

It IS official. ASU, UA, and UU to the Big '12.
PAC 12 is now PAC 4. Big 10 will have 18 members, Big 12 will have 16. So far...
Now, what will OSU, WSU, Cal, and Stanford do. And where does that leave SDSU?

OSU and WAZZU are completely screwed. The media payout that the PAC-12 gives for this year is around $30 mil per school. That underwrites a lot of stuff. The MW’s payout is $4 mil. No way to move forward without some severe cuts. What sucks is that OSU was finally turning the corner. F USC, UCLA, and the sheer incompetence of the Pac-12 leadership. OSU is my second favorite school… feels like 2012 in Grizzlyville…

 

[poorgriz]

Most delusional post ever on Egriz. Keep telling yourself that little bro.

BrownBear is correct. Your post is the delusional one.

lol. Wow, you guys really are delusional. MSU is THE flagship in the state now. It will be a lot easier on you if you just get used to it.

 

[tgreseth]

Good example of recency bias

 

[mthoopsfan]

This seems like the main "rumor" thread. One has the Big "Ten" going all the way to 20 teams by adding Stanford and Cal. That might send the other two to the MWC. Why the B-10 would want to go to 20 teams is a mystery to me, but there it is. (But forget about any FCS teams moving up.)
Link: https://fansided.com/2023/08/04/pac-12-goes-belly-conference-remaining-4-teams-join/

Also, here's a (totally unsubstantiated) notion floating around some West Coast blogs. The Pac-12 admin (cushy jobs) don't want to go under, so they bury their pride/arrogance and grasp at straws: San Diego State, Fresno State, Boise State, and (San Jose State or Utah State) get them back to eight. However unlikely, it would make a solid western structure for a regional TV deal (and cut travel costs a bunch). Would they still be considered a P-5 conference? I'd say no, but you never know. Of course, if that many teams did leave the MWC, then there might be openings for move-up.

Well, given that Wazzu, OSU, Cal and Stanford were the four weakest schools IN the PAC-12, there’s no possible way that’s considered a P5 conference. We’re down to 4 now. P4 and G6.

The four should stay as the PAC-12 and keep their automatic playoff spot.

 

[mthoopsfan]

BrownBear is correct. Your post is the delusional one.

lol. Wow, you guys really are delusional. MSU is THE flagship in the state now. It will be a lot easier on you if you just get used to it.

The discussion wasn't about which is the flagship. It was about who was more ready to move up. UM has better facilities, bigger stadium, better attendance, more season tickets, better athletic donations (to my knowledge), a better tradition, a better coaching staff, and better fans.