Hauck

[Diesel]

Don't agree that any lack of depth there caused the season to be worse than it should have been. QB injury and mistakes. Not a powerful running game. Not enough tough catches earlier in the season, and then too many drops at key times. Too many slow starts by the O. ST's not good enough. My view is that, overall, the O was the bigger culprit in the FCS losses than the D.

Agreed to an extent. Gresch’s freshman mistakes (INT’s, primarily) led to a lot of short fields for Weber...he was able to overcome it against the lesser teams (I forget which team we had 5 TO’s against and still won...UNC?)...I was fine with the running game, especially as the season wore on. ST got better as the season progressed as well, IMHO. O is only the culprit to the extent that it had to outscore opponents because the D wasn’t going to stop many people, especially early on....

So, offense, defense and special teams contributed to the losses. Throw in some terrible coaching as per lack of preparation (Weber), defensive adjustments (EWU), and game time calls (MSU) and I would agree with your assessments.
I would put more emphasis on coaching errors over player errors.

How would you propose the coaches prepare for Gresch to have 3 turnovers in our first 7 possessions?

Three runs of no gain to start a game was not a sign of good preparation. Coming off a bye week should give team plenty of time to be better than that start. Weber’s TE torched the defense in the first half. UM had three TEs that are all good WRs. Short passes to TEs would have been one option. It is the coach’s responsibility to put players in position to win. Too many three and outs against Weber and EWU.

 

[ordigger]

Define Irony:

Bobcats 27 Grizzlies 20 (loss)
Grizzlies 38 Bobcats 22 (win)
Bobcats 16 Grizzlies 6 (loss)

Those were the scores for the first 3 years of Grizzly Coach. He went 1-2. He is now considered a Legend because of boosters, and overzealous fans that are quick to past judgement, but have short memories.

That coach? Bobby Hauck

Yet some of the haters of the former coach, are tripping over themselves with glee about a coach that had the same record the first 3 times out, against the Cats.

Define Irony....I just did.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

Whether or not it’s Hauck, can we take away 4 scholleys and make him take Semore for a year just to make it fair?

San Diego didn't even need 4 schollies to beat Weber. 4 schollies over 3 years impacts depth more than anything else. It will impact the next coach next year as much as it impacted Stitt this year. Also note that the lost 4 schollies were the lasts schollies that would have been given each year, by definition. Injuries and turnovers affect teams more than 4 schollies.

Last I looked this isn’t warm, sunny, laced with beach bunnies San Diego but carry on. I was only being facetious but playing your game, let’s compare apples to apples. New Montana coach situation against prior Montana coach situation. It would hurt a guy like Hauck that likes transfers and drop downs for immediate help, just as it hampered Stitt.

 

[MTGRZ]

Define Irony:

Bobcats 27 Grizzlies 20 (loss)
Grizzlies 38 Bobcats 22 (win)
Bobcats 16 Grizzlies 6 (loss)

Those were the scores for the first 3 years of Grizzly Coach. He went 1-2. He is now considered a Legend because of boosters, and overzealous fans that are quick to past judgement, but have short memories.

That coach? Bobby Hauck

Yet some of the haters of the former coach, are tripping over themselves with glee about a coach that had the same record the first 3 times out, against the Cats.

Define Irony....I just did.

Objectively you are correct. What hurt Stitt the most, from what I understand, was more subjective. Just my two cents.

 

[uofmman1122]

Define Irony:

Bobcats 27 Grizzlies 20 (loss)
Grizzlies 38 Bobcats 22 (win)
Bobcats 16 Grizzlies 6 (loss)

Those were the scores for the first 3 years of Grizzly Coach. He went 1-2. He is now considered a Legend because of boosters, and overzealous fans that are quick to past judgement, but have short memories.

That coach? Bobby Hauck

Yet some of the haters of the former coach, are tripping over themselves with glee about a coach that had the same record the first 3 times out, against the Cats.

Define Irony....I just did.

But you can't look at this in isolation.

Yes, Stitt and Bobby went 1-2 vs. the cats, but one won the BSC and made the playoffs all three years, and the other only made the playoffs once with zero conference championships.

Not to mention Bobby took us to the chipper in that middle year.

There are a ton of double standards being thrown around on both the Pro-Stitt and Pro-Hauck sides.

Bottom line: Bobby has more proven history of success at this level that should make us feel confident in his ability to lead again (if he is indeed the guy), but he should be held to the same standard Stitt was, and if we're not significantly improved in three seasons, he should be shown the door as well.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

The consensus on the board seems to be that we gave Coach Stitt one too many years to clean up the coaching problems. After giving it a lot of thought, I agree. Coach Hauck should only need two years as well.

Also, it was widely reported on this board that the AD met with a prospective coach this year, which I also think is a good idea. I think we should expand it a bit, however, and the AD should have 2-3 coaching prospects in mind at all times, and should meet regularly with them in his office. I think it will be a strong motivator for the next coach not to make the same coaching errors that we've seen. We will have other coaching prospects ready to go should this become necessary after two years.

 

[ordigger]

Define Irony:

Bobcats 27 Grizzlies 20 (loss)
Grizzlies 38 Bobcats 22 (win)
Bobcats 16 Grizzlies 6 (loss)

Those were the scores for the first 3 years of Grizzly Coach. He went 1-2. He is now considered a Legend because of boosters, and overzealous fans that are quick to past judgement, but have short memories.

That coach? Bobby Hauck

Yet some of the haters of the former coach, are tripping over themselves with glee about a coach that had the same record the first 3 times out, against the Cats.

Define Irony....I just did.

But you can't look at this in isolation.

Yes, Stitt and Bobby went 1-2 vs. the cats, but one won the BSC and made the playoffs all three years, and the other only made the playoffs once with zero conference championships.

Not to mention Bobby took us to the chipper in that middle year.

There are a ton of double standards being thrown around on both the Pro-Stitt and Pro-Hauck sides.

Bottom line: Bobby has more proven history of success at this level that should make us feel confident in his ability to lead again (if he is indeed the guy), but he should be held to the same standard Stitt was, and if we're not significantly improved in three seasons, he should be shown the door as well.

Let us hope that we do not falter even for one more year. This team needs to make the playoffs next year. I predicted we would be a top FCS team in 2019 because of our talent. I'm sticking to my prediction. Expect a seed in 2019.

 

[AZDoc]

Define Irony:

Bobcats 27 Grizzlies 20 (loss)
Grizzlies 38 Bobcats 22 (win)
Bobcats 16 Grizzlies 6 (loss)

Those were the scores for the first 3 years of Grizzly Coach. He went 1-2. He is now considered a Legend because of boosters, and overzealous fans that are quick to past judgement, but have short memories.

That coach? Bobby Hauck

Yet some of the haters of the former coach, are tripping over themselves with glee about a coach that had the same record the first 3 times out, against the Cats.

Define Irony....I just did.

Stop it...those 6-5 and 7-4 bobcat teams were way better than the current bobcat teams. I mean they were as good as the current Griz teams. Can’t compare eras man, people on here just wont let you. :lol:

 

[Fahque]

The consensus on the board seems to be that we gave Coach Stitt one too many years to clean up the coaching problems. After giving it a lot of thought, I agree. Coach Hauck should only need two years as well.

Also, it was widely reported on this board that the AD met with a prospective coach this year, which I also think is a good idea. I think we should expand it a bit, however, and the AD should have 2-3 coaching prospects in mind at all times, and should meet regularly with them in his office. I think it will be a strong motivator for the next coach not to make the same coaching errors that we've seen. We will have other coaching prospects ready to go should this become necessary after two years.

Now that’s planning ahead. Terrific idea, I like it.

 

[uofmman1122]

Bottom line: Bobby has more proven history of success at this level that should make us feel confident in his ability to lead again (if he is indeed the guy), but he should be held to the same standard Stitt was, and if we're not significantly improved in three seasons, he should be shown the door as well.

I might amend this to say that he should be held to an even higher standard, otherwise I don't see the point in switching coaches. :twocents:

 

[CDAGRIZ]

The consensus on the board seems to be that we gave Coach Stitt one too many years to clean up the coaching problems. After giving it a lot of thought, I agree. Coach Hauck should only need two years as well.

Also, it was widely reported on this board that the AD met with a prospective coach this year, which I also think is a good idea. I think we should expand it a bit, however, and the AD should have 2-3 coaching prospects in mind at all times, and should meet regularly with them in his office. I think it will be a strong motivator for the next coach not to make the same coaching errors that we've seen. We will have other coaching prospects ready to go should this become necessary after two years.

That's just great contingency planning. If the new coach needs a rah-rah guy in the AD's office, he can move on down the road. If the AD is smart, he will quantify the terms of employment in wins so everyone is on the same page from the get go. Better than 7-4 and two playoff wins in the next two years, or pavement. We definitely don't need to see a third year if that doesn't happen. No excuses for soft coaching.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Bottom line: Bobby has more proven history of success at this level that should make us feel confident in his ability to lead again (if he is indeed the guy), but he should be held to the same standard Stitt was, and if we're not significantly improved in three seasons, he should be shown the door as well.

I might amend this to say that he should be held to an even higher standard, otherwise I don't see the point in switching coaches. :twocents:

I agree. Given his long and storied tradition of winning at this level, he most certainly should be held to a higher standard. I'm sure he would be the first to agree.

 

[kemajic]

Define Irony:

Bobcats 27 Grizzlies 20 (loss)
Grizzlies 38 Bobcats 22 (win)
Bobcats 16 Grizzlies 6 (loss)

Those were the scores for the first 3 years of Grizzly Coach. He went 1-2. He is now considered a Legend because of boosters, and overzealous fans that are quick to past judgement, but have short memories.

That coach? Bobby Hauck

Yet some of the haters of the former coach, are tripping over themselves with glee about a coach that had the same record the first 3 times out, against the Cats.

Define Irony....I just did.

Taking the team to the NC game in the second year trumps losing to two very good MSU teams populated with Kramer's unrestricted recruits. And a guy named Lulay, who had beaten Glenn's last team. Stitt should have thought of that rather than losing 4 of his last 5 games in year two.

You just keep pulling at straws.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Define Irony:

Bobcats 27 Grizzlies 20 (loss)
Grizzlies 38 Bobcats 22 (win)
Bobcats 16 Grizzlies 6 (loss)

Those were the scores for the first 3 years of Grizzly Coach. He went 1-2. He is now considered a Legend because of boosters, and overzealous fans that are quick to past judgement, but have short memories.

That coach? Bobby Hauck

Yet some of the haters of the former coach, are tripping over themselves with glee about a coach that had the same record the first 3 times out, against the Cats.

Define Irony....I just did.

Taking the team to the NC game in the second year trumps losing to two very good MSU teams populated with Kramer's unrestricted recruits. And a guy named Lulay. Stitt should have thought of that rather than losing 4 of his last 5 games in year two.

You just keep pulling at straws.

I agree with you on this one. I don't care about the cat game nearly as much as making the playoffs, but BH won't have those excuses for losing to the Cats this time around, nor should he need them.

 

[cmtgrizzly]

If it's Hauck, he also will most likely bring in JC transfers and drop downs. Stitt was not fond of that to some extent.

He must because the talent is not there now.

bhumble you dont BS around and usually have an opinion. Who do you like for next head coach of the reasonably available candidates?

 

[uofmman1122]

Bottom line: Bobby has more proven history of success at this level that should make us feel confident in his ability to lead again (if he is indeed the guy), but he should be held to the same standard Stitt was, and if we're not significantly improved in three seasons, he should be shown the door as well.

I might amend this to say that he should be held to an even higher standard, otherwise I don't see the point in switching coaches. :twocents:

I agree. Given his long and storied tradition of winning at this level, he most certainly should be held to a higher standard. I'm sure he would be the first to agree.

If I understand it correctly, Stitt was fired because the AD and boosters felt a new coach's years 1 and 2 would be better than Stitt's years 4 and 5. If those that wanted Stitt gone say that we now have to wait until a new coach's year 3, that reason just self-destructs, and it now becomes more about people's feelings and preferences than about actual results.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Bottom line: Bobby has more proven history of success at this level that should make us feel confident in his ability to lead again (if he is indeed the guy), but he should be held to the same standard Stitt was, and if we're not significantly improved in three seasons, he should be shown the door as well.

I might amend this to say that he should be held to an even higher standard, otherwise I don't see the point in switching coaches. :twocents:

I agree. Given his long and storied tradition of winning at this level, he most certainly should be held to a higher standard. I'm sure he would be the first to agree.

If I understand it correctly, Stitt was fired because the AD and boosters felt a new coach's years 1 and 2 would be better than Stitt's years 4 and 5. If those that wanted Stitt gone say that we now have to wait until a new coach's year 3, that reason just self-destructs, and it now becomes more about people's feelings and preferences than about actual results.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Bottom line: Bobby has more proven history of success at this level that should make us feel confident in his ability to lead again (if he is indeed the guy), but he should be held to the same standard Stitt was, and if we're not significantly improved in three seasons, he should be shown the door as well.

I might amend this to say that he should be held to an even higher standard, otherwise I don't see the point in switching coaches. :twocents:

I agree. Given his long and storied tradition of winning at this level, he most certainly should be held to a higher standard. I'm sure he would be the first to agree.

If I understand it correctly, Stitt was fired because the AD and boosters felt a new coach's years 1 and 2 would be better than Stitt's years 4 and 5. If those that wanted Stitt gone say that we now have to wait until a new coach's year 3, that reason just self-destructs, and it now becomes more about people's feelings and preferences than about actual results.

1000% agree. I'm done with subjective factors and excuses. Ws and Ls are all that matter going forward.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Define Irony:

Bobcats 27 Grizzlies 20 (loss)
Grizzlies 38 Bobcats 22 (win)
Bobcats 16 Grizzlies 6 (loss)

Those were the scores for the first 3 years of Grizzly Coach. He went 1-2. He is now considered a Legend because of boosters, and overzealous fans that are quick to past judgement, but have short memories.

That coach? Bobby Hauck

Yet some of the haters of the former coach, are tripping over themselves with glee about a coach that had the same record the first 3 times out, against the Cats.

Define Irony....I just did.

Taking the team to the NC game in the second year trumps losing to two very good MSU teams populated with Kramer's unrestricted recruits. And a guy named Lulay, who had beaten Glenn's last team. Stitt should have thought of that rather than losing 4 of his last 5 games in year two.

You just keep pulling at straws.

He did that with Glenn’s recruits.

 

[Diesel]

Define Irony:

Bobcats 27 Grizzlies 20 (loss)
Grizzlies 38 Bobcats 22 (win)
Bobcats 16 Grizzlies 6 (loss)

Those were the scores for the first 3 years of Grizzly Coach. He went 1-2. He is now considered a Legend because of boosters, and overzealous fans that are quick to past judgement, but have short memories.

That coach? Bobby Hauck

Yet some of the haters of the former coach, are tripping over themselves with glee about a coach that had the same record the first 3 times out, against the Cats.

Define Irony....I just did.

Taking the team to the NC game in the second year trumps losing to two very good MSU teams populated with Kramer's unrestricted recruits. And a guy named Lulay, who had beaten Glenn's last team. Stitt should have thought of that rather than losing 4 of his last 5 games in year two.

You just keep pulling at straws.

He did that with Glenn’s recruits.

With that logic Glenn’s recruits lost to the cats.